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> I'm sorry I caused an argument, my friends...
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> SueZ, that's a good point I haven't thought about:
> stopping eating the sauerkraut. I have no problem
> in making it again, I really liked it. The reason
> I stopped having sauerkraut was that I got scared
> when I watched Andrew Perlot's video saying it
> could cause stomach cancer. Then, when I had that
> crisis after the spinach juice, I thought that I
> ruined my stomach due to so much sauerkraut.
>
> I also thought that maybe it had to do with the
> carob, which, after all, is a legume.
>
> I have a lot to look into, I never thought of
> bananas, strawberries and other fruits/veggies as
> having oxalates. The only veggie I knew it had
> oxalates was spinach. I definitely need to search
> some more...
>
> Thank you for sharing your opinions, you help me
> take into account different things I haven't
> thought about before.
>
> My diet so far during this time was: bananas,
> apples, oranges, tomatoes, lettuce, dill, lemons,
> cucumbers, red sweet peppers, red and white
> cabbage, carrots, raw carob, spinach (only twice -
> puree and juice), parsley (twice), mandarines,
> cauliflower, grapefruit. I never searched to see
> the oxalic acid in these foods.
>
> Yes, I find I do have quite a short transit time,
> but it doesn't necessarily mean that I eliminate
> the exact previous meal, in the morning, for
> example, I eliminate the previous dinner. Maybe
> the food I eat for, let's say, breakfast, will
> still cause eliminating the previous dinner, like
> pushing down the waste from previous evening. I
> need search on that too.
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You're welcome, Ela. I'm linking a 6 page pdf that will give you an idea of your oxalate intake from foods. There are many things, however, that can make a person absorb up to 50% more oxalates from foods than most people would. Things like leaky gut syndrome, auto immune diseases, inflammatory diseases, etc. I don't know if you are taking any medications for you hip but also be aware that some medications can induce the liver to manufacture oxalates. Also remember that although some foods appear to have rather low oxalate contents when you take 12 times the usual serving that can bump it up into a pretty high range.


[www.childrensdayton.org]

good article here

[www.veganhealth.org]


something else to consider. some foods may show as high in oxalates like strawberries, but this is likely just an artifact of the way the foods are tested, which in one case i found, was to homogenize the food. for strawberries and other foods that have seeds, that would likely be the source of the oxalates and yet many of the seeds would pass instead of being assimilated, so it may be an artificially high number in a chart.

Thank you both for the links.

I take absolutely no medication now, I haven't taken any medication in a very long time, for anything, I let my body heal with only food and rest. I did use medication in the past, like anti-inflammatory, then I got allergic to it. I then switched to natural supplements for my hip, like devil's claw, shark cartillage, silica, zeolith, but they didn't make a difference in the way I felt so I stopped taking them. I also went vegan, so shark cartillage was no longer an option.

Unfortunately, the foods I buy are very much connected to the budget I have, so I kind of don't really have a choice, I buy what is cheaper and what I like at the same time. There are fruits/veggies that I like and some which I dislike, so I need to listen to my body on that. For example, here bananas are more expensive than apples, but I like them too, so I buy them from time to time, I can't just eat only apples. The veggies are incredibly expensive in winter, but I need them from time to time as well, so I need to buy them, even if I could buy like 20 kg of apples with the money I use for veggies.

As I said before, I'll search more on all these topics. I try to do the best I can...

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[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

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Low oxalate food lists (even those given to patients from well-meaning doctors) can often be out-of-date and do not reflect the newer, more accurate techniques. For example, many people on a low oxalate diet are told not to eat blueberries or strawberries. You can’t surf the internet more than a few minutes without at least one oxalate food list or authority incorrectly telling you that berries are high oxalate (15 mg. oxalate or more per serving is usually considered high oxalate). I unfortunately gave up blueberries for almost 12 years thinking they were harming my body. But thanks to the dedication of many scientists (and the people who fund their research!), we now know that blueberries are low oxalate (4.0 mg. oxalate per half cup) and strawberries are medium oxalate (7.8 mg. per half cup). Hurray! I now eat lovely low oxalate blue berries almost every day.

[lowoxalateinfo.com]

Ela, have you tried Turmeric? It's an excellent anti-inflammatory as well as being great for breaking down oxalates.

Have you given any thought to maybe adding a little flax seed powder to your diet? Omega 3's help with vitamin D absorption and many people, including myself, find it very helpful. It might be helpful for your hip.

One last thing - when I was on a very high carb low fat raw vegan diet my urine pH was very acidic. At that time I googled around the web and found this was not at all unusual with that version of the raw vegan diet and the posters were saying not to worry about it. Maybe, though, it is something to really worry about for people with a propensity to having certain types of kidney stones. If I were in your position I would make sure not to let the urine pH get into the range where it can assist stone formation. Tape used for checking urine pH is not expensive.

Ok, I'm done. Good luck to you and your father. You are in my prayers.

Thank you, Panchito. It's very difficult to avoid all the oxalate containing foods, I feel there's nothing I can eat. It would be very hard not to eat certain fruits/veggies, but I can definitely live without spinach.

SueZ, thank you so much for all your help, you're so sweet, please feel free to share any idea or advice you have, you're always welcome and I appreciate your help

Yes, I have thought about turmeric, I used it in the past in my cauliflower puree, but I stopped at some point.
I'm still thinking about adding in some fat, flax seems a good idea, I need to make a decision on that.
My latest urine PH test last year in August showed I had an alkaline urine, the PH was between 7 and 8.

As a very good news, I can finally go and get tested to see what kind of crisis I had, if it was the kidneys or another problem. I'll set an appointment sometime soon this week or next week. I hope the mystery will be solved.

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Ela, I'm so glad to read that you can get tested soon! Hopefully more light can be shed on your situation and you don't have to go through anything like that pain again.

Yes, I have an appointment with my doctor this Friday, and she will send me to the right specialist. I most certainly don't want to go through that horrible pain ever again.

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I went to the family doctor on Friday, she consulted me, I told her the story, and she said that the spinach juice was definitely the cause. She also suspected a urinary infection, though I had/have no symptoms, but I read that some of the symptoms I had could be of a urinary infection as well.

She told me where to go for a general abdominal ultrasound. She also told me to take an antibiotic (a one-time dose, some granules which dissolve) and some natural capsules (an Indian blend of different plant extracts/oils, called "terpenes". At first she only told me about this medication, but I asked her if I should have an ultrasound, so she agreed.

I didn't think about it then, but I also want to get my urine tested, to see if I had/have a urinary infection anyway. I haven't had a new crisis ever since, but I still have that dull sharp pain. I don't want to take the antibiotic and I'm not happy about that natural extract blend either. I found some better natural alternatives just in case I need to take something. I'll keep you updated on the process...

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Ela2013 Wrote:
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> I went to the family doctor on Friday, she
> consulted me, I told her the story, and she said
> that the spinach juice was definitely the cause.
> She also suspected a urinary infection, though I
> had/have no symptoms, but I read that some of the
> symptoms I had could be of a urinary infection as
> well.
>
> She told me where to go for a general abdominal
> ultrasound. She also told me to take an antibiotic
> (a one-time dose, some granules which dissolve)
> and some natural capsules (an Indian blend of
> different plant extracts/oils, called "terpenes".
> At first she only told me about this medication,
> but I asked her if I should have an ultrasound, so
> she agreed.
>
> I didn't think about it then, but I also want to
> get my urine tested, to see if I had/have a
> urinary infection anyway. I haven't had a new
> crisis ever since, but I still have that dull
> sharp pain. I don't want to take the antibiotic
> and I'm not happy about that natural extract blend
> either. I found some better natural alternatives
> just in case I need to take something. I'll keep
> you updated on the process...
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Ela, pumpkin seed oil is supposed to be very good for bladder and urinary track health. I take a lot of it (as medicinal food drizzled on soups, etc.)and am just about the only female in my extended family that doesn't have those kind of problems.

Pharmacies and online stores have over the counter kits for testing urine for bacteria at home. Just ask a pharmacist to help you find one.

I am glad you will be getting an ultrasound. You could always have several things going on at once you don't know about so it will be nice to get some "visuals".

yes, it is still hard to know what caused the pain.

the thing is, people constantly poke fun at NH, yet following NH principles is exactly what avoids problems such as this (if it is in fact spinach juice).

pumpkin seed oil ?
Why not just eat pumpkin seeds?

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> pumpkin seed oil ?
> Why not just eat pumpkin seeds?

I am reporting on my experience. I love the taste of pumpkin seed oil drizzled over soups. When pumpkin seeds are blended in the soup the little flavor they have gets lost. If I hear of a therapeutic grade pumpkin seed essential oil coming onto the market I will be first in line to buy that to add to recipes.


P.S. rawracticalist/commonsenseraw FYI this is the last of your posts I will be responding to. No more reading asinine repetitive boring bot stuff for me. From now on I will scroll on by.

I'm still hoping that one day this site will have an "ignore poster" function. I would gladly pay the going rate of $10 a month for such a luxury time saving feature.

SueZ
The truth has to be repeated many times.
We have read in many posts about your oils and do tolerate the repetitions
Plus
Tavis said
Tavis said
Tavis said...



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I was just reading Norman Walker rave about spinach juice. NOT cooked spinach but raw juice! Personally I would take juices like celery, cuke and greens combined with other juices but why would your doctor know about the properties of spinach juice? I never have understood why people go to the trouble of eating an alternative diet and then take everything a mainstream doctor says as the gospel truth. These people usually have no clue about diet because they are not trained to do so unless she's a holistic MD, which you didn't mention her being.



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Today I got the results of urine test and ultrasound (I gave the urine sample on Monday and today I had the ultrasound).

The results:
1. I have no urinary infection, no important sediments (just the rare usual ones), density is lower and the PH is acid (6, as opposed to 8 which I had last August).
2. I have a birth malfunction of the gallblader (a curved, bended, wrinckled gallblader), with moderate sediments (there's nothing I can do about this, the doctor said).
3. I have sediments in both my kidneys.
4. The crisis I had was a gallblader crisis.
5. The ultrasound showed bloating, gas.
5. The crisis was caused by the carbonated water, spinach juice (not by the Calcium supplement though).
6. All the other organs are normal.

Recommandations:
- lots of still water.
- no acid foods, no bloating foods, less fiber.

I guess this means no spinach, no cabbage or sauerkraut, no cauliflower. Only sweet fruits, sub-acid fruits and non-sweet fruits. And mild leafy greens and herbs.
Right now I feel I don't know exactly what it's safe to eat.

I believe the others could think that I have these problems due to my raw vegan lifestyle, my husband already said that this happened because I ate raw fruits/veggies only.
I'm still searching on this, but that's the first conclusion.

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very interesting,, Ela,

best of luck while you continue to refine and adjust

"what's safe to eat"
the body knows.
the brain is only good to insure that we get enough b12 and d

Yes, Fresh, I hope I can find the right fruits/veggies for me. I'll try have simpler meals and mild, gentle foods. The body will let me know what he needs...

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On March 31 I went to the family doctor with the ultrasound results. She recommended gallblader medication (some is just a mixture of rosemary oil, mint oil and black pepper - obviously, packed in a gelatin capsule), medication for bloating/gas/constipation (mostly is medicinal coal) and plenty of still water (she said that according to my weight, I need to drink 1.5 l water/day).

Since then, I have been eating citrus, apples, bananas and my zoodles with tomato dill sauce, lettuce, cucumbers, red sweet pepper', and drinking around 2 liters of still water/day. I've been feeling good with these foods and I'm really enjoying the still water, it feels so gentle on my body, and so clean. I took no medication yet, I don't feel it's needed. I still have sharp/dull pain from time to time, but nothing too painful, it's very bearable. I hope the sand will be washed away eventually, my friend told me that once you have sand, it will turn into stones sooner or later...

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Hi Ela,
I saw it was determined that it was a gall bladder event, but just as a question/precaution, I would look at the Calcium supplement you are taking. If there are, in fact, stone issues, it's a possibility the calcium could be contributing.
Morgan

Thank you, Morgan. I also thought about the Calcium supplement being one cause of my gallblader issue, along with all the other reasons. But the doctor said the Calcium supplement wasn't the cause, as I only took one capsule/day, so that wasn't much. It's a mixture of calcium and D2. I haven't taken it since the attack though. I'm planning to start taking it again today, then take a 1 month break in between the bottles, until I finish all the supplements (I don't want them to go to waste though). I'll make sure I'm careful and take another break as soon as I feel something is wrong again.

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You could try a week water or juice fasting

I could try one week of juice fast, but I couldn't do another water fast. I did a 5 day one in the past, I was feeling good mentally and physically, I was even working hard at the time, but in the end I felt weak, plus I would just need my food. I am skeptical about a juice fast though, as some say that a juice fast will cause weight gain afterwards. In case I decide to do it, I need to really do my research first...plus I would need a lot of juice to keep me going, I guess...

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>but in the end I felt weak, plus I would just need my food
There is no greatest healer than fasting.
It is a sacrifice one makes to let the body heal itself.

Ela2013 wrote:

<<<I am skeptical about a juice fast though, as some say that a juice fast will cause weight gain afterwards. In case I decide to do it, I need to really do my research first>>>

P-O-P-P-Y --- C-O-C-K!!!

Yes, you might gain some weight back if you EAT the WRONG FOOD, but NOT if you EAT the RIGHT FOOD!

Whoever said this simply does NOT know what they are talking about. However, like any diet, if you don't consume enough calories to protect your lean body mass, you could lose some muscle mass and then, you could gain weight going back to what used to be a maintenance diet because you have lowered your Basal Metabolic Rate or your Resting Metabolic Rate.

The only other time someone would gain weight after a Juice Fast would be for those who NEED to gain weight because they were underweight to begin with mainly due to absorption problems that were corrected by the Juice Feast!

Ela2013 Wrote:
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> Thank you, Morgan. I also thought about the
> Calcium supplement being one cause of my
> gallblader issue, along with all the other
> reasons. But the doctor said the Calcium
> supplement wasn't the cause, as I only took one
> capsule/day, so that wasn't much. It's a mixture
> of calcium and D2. I haven't taken it since the
> attack though. I'm planning to start taking it
> again today, then take a 1 month break in between
> the bottles, until I finish all the supplements (I
> don't want them to go to waste though). I'll make
> sure I'm careful and take another break as soon as
> I feel something is wrong again.
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Ela, you would take something that might have been the source of your kidney stones so they won't go to waste? Forgive me but that doesn't make much sense to me. What is the source of these tablets? Greens give you calcium and their alkalinity will negate the need for 1000 mg. or some other ridiculous amount.

Regarding the juice fasting, you mentioned the potential for gaining weight. This seems to be a scary possibility for you. Please keep grounded in your attitudes in this area so that a healthy diet doesn't become an eating disorder. It's fine to want to maintain a certain weight but adding plant fat to your diet given your recent health situation might be a good idea at this point. If that is uncomfortable to you to even contemplate eating overt FAT, then perhaps you will want to closely examine this reaction within yourself. You have been very focused on your diet for the last year or more, recording everything, and as long as it doesn't become an overriding obessession, it can be a good way to keep records on foods you eat and reactions temporarily. As long as you feel comfortable with adding certain foods if need be.



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Ela2013 Wrote:
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> Thank you, Morgan. I also thought about the
> Calcium supplement being one cause of my
> gallblader issue, along with all the other
> reasons. But the doctor said the Calcium
> supplement wasn't the cause, as I only took one
> capsule/day, so that wasn't much. It's a mixture
> of calcium and D2. I haven't taken it since the
> attack though. I'm planning to start taking it
> again today, then take a 1 month break in between
> the bottles, until I finish all the supplements (I
> don't want them to go to waste though). I'll make
> sure I'm careful and take another break as soon as
> I feel something is wrong again.
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Ela, you would take something that might have been the source of your kidney stones so they won't go to waste? Forgive me but that doesn't make much sense to me. What is the source of these tablets? Greens give you calcium and their alkalinity will negate the need for 1000 mg. or some other ridiculous amount.

Regarding the juice fasting, you mentioned the potential for gaining weight. This seems to be a scary possibility for you. Please keep grounded in your attitudes in this area so that a healthy diet doesn't become an eating disorder. It's fine to want to maintain a certain weight but adding plant fat to your diet given your recent health situation might be a good idea at this point. If that is uncomfortable to you to even contemplate eating overt FAT, then perhaps you will want to closely examine this reaction within yourself. You have been very focused on your diet for the last year or more, recording everything, and as long as it doesn't become an overriding obessession, it can be a good way to keep records on foods you eat and reactions temporarily.

The capsules I'm taking have both calcium and D2, I'm taking them for the D2 and not the calcium, I'm not even calcium deficient, my calcium levels are good as shown by my blood work. The capsules have small quantities of calcium and D2. The calcium comes from a red calcified algae. As soon as I finish them, I'll get only D2, I found ones with just D2.

I've been using cronometer to track my calories/nutrients, especially whenever I change my menu, I like to know where I stay in terms of calories/nutrients. I also use cronometer to remember the foods I eat, as I don't like to write them by hand on paper. And another reason for using cronometer is that I'm also posting my food diary on a Romanian forum, and I'm the only raw vegan there, among mostly meat eaters, so I want to show them that you can be a raw vegan and eat plenty of food and calories every day. Maybe I can change something in their diet and thinking. I had some of them loving my banana nicecream and other raw vegan dishes I made, some saying they were inspired by my menu, and someone even said he wanted to try a mono-meal of 8 bananas. Obviously, I had my share of rejection and criticism as well on that forum, but I went on with my beliefs.

But you are right, Banana Who, I sometimes wonder if being raw vegan isn't another form of an eating disorder. I experienced my own eating disorders in the past so I know first hand how bad they are. Yes, maybe being a raw vegan helps me deal with the remaining ideas in my head from those past times...but at least it's healthy food, right? Like Freelee and Harley say...binging on bananas...I was recently talking to my husband about this and he agreed that being a raw vegan for the sake of knowing that you can eat as much as you want and not gain weight is another form of bulimia. Yes, I sometimes do think that overt fats lead to weight gain, just like juice/water fast can lead to weight gain. I've been listening to Freelee and Harley a lot saying no to overt fats and to water/juice fasts, so I need to do more homework on these issues.

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Freelee seems to go out to eat a lot. I sometimes wonder if that is a way to get out of having to eat low-fat. In any case, if you try something as long as you have and it doesn't seem to make you feel well, maybe experiment with something else. Even if you were to gain weight thru doing a few days on juice to rid yourself of the rest of the gallstones, it couldn't be more than a few pounds. In other words, gaining a few pounds isn't the end of the world and if it is scary to you to even imagine gaining a few pounds, that could indicate that you have gone into a disordered mode. Not saying that you have done so, though.

Yes, I know what you mean and I'm grateful you brought up this subject.

It's a very fine line between not caring if you gain weight and worrying about and even getting obsessed with not gaining weight, I've been there, done that.

There were times when I wanted to have one more bite, but I was scared not to gain weight from that just one bite. It was like I wanted to eat more, but there was something stopping me, like an unseen barrier. I realised then that it was something psychological, I knew it was like a mental disease, but I just couldn't get out of it. It was scaring me a lot, but I finally managed to reset my thinking and I got out of that eating disorder. I still have some of that today, when I feel I eat too many bananas or too much food in general, or when I have more than 2500 cals in a day. It's a very dangerous area and people should be warned about it more often, to me it was like a living nightmare, at the time I thought I'll never be able to get out of it. Plus it's very easy to fall back into that trap again...

Another bad eating habbit was eating too much, especially the wrong foods like fast-food or pastry/cakes. Even when I was a kid, I loved these foods, though I've never been overweight, just gaining few more kgs at times. I never caused vomiting after eating though, I found it to be disgusting, plus I really appreciated the food I was eating. I always thought that causing vomiting after eating a lot of food (or any quantity of food) is something sickening and horrible, and that's a real eating disorder.

I know that eating raw vegan is the best choice for me, it kept me away from all the bad foods I used to like, at first it was a little difficult, but now, after all this time, I don't even crave those foods, plus I don't even look at them as real food - I see them for what they really are: garbage.

Eating fully raw vegan made me realise this is the best diet I could choose, and eating no overt fats and lots of fruits and veggies makes me feel the best: light, very fast digestion, great skin, good sleep, energy and motivation, it brings me joy and makes me feel happy and looking forward to going shopping and preparing and enjoying my food. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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