The Jesse Ainscough story got a fair bit of publicity here in OZ. She was only
30 when she died, but had chemo and conventional therapy first.

Also, there's a big difference between approaching a natural health solution to the nth degree ( which most people are unable to do ), as opposed to just going on a ' healthy ' diet for a few weeks and dying!

MY favourite story is the one about Herbert Shelton. Many years ago I was in a book store and read that he had died at the age of 89 peacefully in his sleep - a fitting way for someone like him to go. But when I read the real version - that he had Parkinsons disease ( or was it MS? , I forget ) and for the last dozen years or so of his life he was bedridden and had to be fed, turned over and even washed I got quite a shock. He even did two long fasts of 4 weeks but they didn't help.

Also, reading about Paul Bragg falsifying his age ( making himself older than he really was ) was another shock to the system.

Then reading where TC Fry was telling people about how the fruit diet was the perfect diet but he couldn't stick to it, and was a closet junk food eater, and VIktoras admitting to binge eating cooked food when he was advocating the 100% raw diet made me realise that you can't believe everything you read.

Just when you think this Belle character should be first in line running for sociopath of the year a story like this comes out which reveals an even more hideous aspect of how she worked. I truly fear for her son's life being in the hands of a person like this.

A MUST READ article, IMO...

"Family of desperately ill boy fear health guru Belle Gibson used their son to bolster her cancer claims"

[www.heraldsun.com.au]

[www.irishtimes.com]

Although Australians are only now learning the details, some of her closest friends questioned her about her illness last year. “She admitted her diagnosis was questionable,” a now former friend said. “I asked her when she got her diagnosis. She said she didn’t know. I asked her who gave her the diagnosis. She said Dr Phil. I asked if Dr Phil had a last name. She didn’t know; he disappeared. I asked her where she saw Dr Phil. She said he came and picked [her] up from [her] house.”


Another former friend pulled out of a wholefood business with her last year because she questioned Gibson’s character after she said she had many aliases. “My accountant wanted some basic paperwork off us – full name, date of birth and address – and Belle said that might be an issue. She said, ‘I have several names that I go under . . . It’s a long story.’ ”


A former employee said she did not believe Gibson’s cancer story. “She would post on social media that she’d been at a doctor’s appointment all day, but really she was just going to the dentist . . . She got her veneers done. She would make it sound like it was for cancer-related illness.”


The Penguin publishing house has admitted that it never asked Gibson for evidence of her medical conditions, saying it published the cookbook in good faith. A spokeswoman said the revelations were concerning. “We’ll discuss them with Belle, as ultimately only she can answer the questions.”
Medical specialists have also questioned Gibson’s story of surviving brain cancer. Prof Andrew Kaye, director of neurosurgery at Royal Melbourne Hospital, said it was extremely unlikely that a malignant brain tumour would develop in the way she described.
“There is the very occasional case out of many, many thousands that may have a spontaneous regression . . . but I have never seen that,” he said. “I wouldn’t believe any of this unless I saw the pathology report with my own eyes, and the pathology itself.”
Elle magazine tried to explain why it published stories about Gibson without, seemingly, doing background checks.
Its features editor, Vanessa Lawrence, said that after the December article it received an anonymous email from someone who claimed to have gone to school with Gibson, saying, “She’s a compulsive liar. In fact, she got so tangled in her own web of lies living in Brisbane, she moved to Melbourne to start a new life of lies – ‘the cancer lie’ this time . . . It’s one thing to act as if she can cure ‘her cancer’ by eating organic (which simply isn’t true) but to give false hope to people who are actually fighting cancer is nothing short of evil.”


Elle did some digging at that point but came up with nothing. “We left it, writing off the email as a bunch of lies,” Lawrence wrote.
Dr Norman Swan, presenter of Health Report on ABC radio, gave some advice this week that other organisations would do well to heed. “The general rule in health and medical journalism is the same as any other form of journalism: if it sounds too good to be true, it is.”
Gibson’s Instagram is now set to private, and all of the posts have been deleted. The Whole Pantry company now refers to her as a former director.
Penguin has suspended printing of her cookbook, and Apple has pulled the app from its store and is no longer using it to promote its smartwatch or iPads.
Now Gibson may face criminal charges, as neither she nor her businesses are legally registered as fundraisers. It also turns out that Gibson is not 26; she’s 23. But lying about her age is the least of her troubles.

Once it was a bright shiny morning for a stand of trees then they were killed to be printed on.

All for naught...

"Simon & Schuster to shred ‘cancer curing’ cookbook"

[nypost.com]

I see that The Guardian has an article on the "Belle Gibson Caper" today. Entitled "Belle Gibson And The Pernicious Cult of Wellness". Available On-line.

KFCA Wrote:
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> I see that The Guardian has an article on the
> "Belle Gibson Caper" today. Entitled "Belle
> Gibson And The Pernicious Cult of Wellness".
> Available On-line.

..."But would it really have been ‘downright evil’ to have asked for some more information on Gibson’s initial condition, or politely to request an interview with the doctors who were allegedly distraught when she first came off chemotherapy? If Gibson’s story had been published in a scientific journal, such questions would have been obligatory. Even in a newspaper article, some basic fact-checking and use of additional sources would have been expected."...

[www.spectator.co.uk]


IMO these people who lie about having and curing cancer with vegan and raw vegan diets do so much damage to the movement that they may as well have been hired by the big ag/Rx industry to do so.

The liars of this sort are far more virulent cancers to the vegan and raw vegan movement than anything they claim to have had in their own bodies.

i don't know if this was posted yet.

kind of funny what reporters write.

Ms Gibson looked pale and did not speak as she returned to her $1 million Elwood home on Saturday after a family outing with her son.

She stopped briefly outside to pick up some litter before stepping inside the rented beachside pad where she has been holed up since the scandal broke.

The social media entrepreneur briefly emerged later to answer the front door when a delivery of 12 red roses and a card arrived from a wellwisher.

In a hammerblow to her once blossoming career, both her US and Australian publishers have since withdrawn support for her recipe books.

The Whole Pantry iPhone app has been dumped from the Apple store and her much-touted Apple Watch app is no longer featured on the US technology company’s website which spruiks the new timepiece.

A much-anticipated statement addressing concerns about her health has yet to be released.

Ms Gibson says her statement was “taking longer than anticipated” as a result of “constantly arising issues” that she had to stay on top of.

fresh Wrote:
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> The social media entrepreneur briefly emerged
> later to answer the front door when a delivery of
> 12 red roses and a card arrived from a
> wellwisher.

And the card said ...

"Keep up the good work, we're lovin' it!"

signed, McDonalds

SueZ Wrote:

> IMO these people who lie about having and curing
> cancer with vegan and raw vegan diets do so much
> damage to the movement that they may as well have
> been hired by the big ag/Rx industry to do so.
>
> The liars of this sort are far more virulent
> cancers to the vegan and raw vegan movement than
> anything they claim to have had in their own
> bodies.

How do we know that they are lying?
Maybe it is a lie to say they are lying!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/29/2015 01:08AM by RawPracticalist.

SueZ Wrote:
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> KFCA Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see that The Guardian has an article on the
> > "Belle Gibson Caper" today. Entitled "Belle
> > Gibson And The Pernicious Cult of Wellness".
> > Available On-line.
>
> ..."But would it really have been ‘downright
> evil’ to have asked for some more information on
> Gibson’s initial condition, or politely to
> request an interview with the doctors who were
> allegedly distraught when she first came off
> chemotherapy? If Gibson’s story had been
> published in a scientific journal, such questions
> would have been obligatory. Even in a newspaper
> article, some basic fact-checking and use of
> additional sources would have been expected."...
>
> [www.spectator.co.uk]
> -gibson-and-the-pernicious-cult-of-wellness/
>
>
> IMO these people who lie about having and curing
> cancer with vegan and raw vegan diets do so much
> damage to the movement that they may as well have
> been hired by the big ag/Rx industry to do so.
>
> The liars of this sort are far more virulent
> cancers to the vegan and raw vegan movement than
> anything they claim to have had in their own
> bodies.

The Belle blowback starts ...

"Snake Oil Bulletin: Health Guru ‘Cures’ Cancer With Diet And Detox (And Not Having Cancer)"

[wonkette.com]

Here we go again ...

"Former model with cancer who turned down chemo claims she cured herself by eating three PINEAPPLES a day... and she's also ditched her husband"


"I had got rid of the massive tumours by arresting and starving it with the pure science of food and a positive attitude."

(She's in the UK, not California, but...)

" Oncologist Mark Simon, director at the Nutritional Oncology Research Institute in California, has helped Candice, and has seen her test results.

He said: 'At this point in time, we can say that there is NED - 'no evidence of disease' in Candice.

He continued: 'Candice possesses a level of faith, self-love and purpose that I am sure is a factor in her remarkable healing journey.

'I can tell you that most thyroid cancer patients with similar circumstances to Candice who follow the conventional path do not survive or experience a very poor quality of life.

'Cancer is an infection of aberrant cells and treating cancer is like dealing with a Bacterial infection.

'We attempt to maintain an environment not conducive towards tumour growth and proliferation.

'Diet plays a major role along with regular exercise, positive attitude and even spirituality."


[www.dailymail.co.uk]



The NORI "professional training" for ND's and oncologists can be completed in one day...

[nebula.wsimg.com]


NORI's product list pdf...

[nebula.wsimg.com]

[www.nutritionaloncologyresearchinstitute.com]

this was very interesting if you have not seen it.

[www.sciencebasedmedicine.org]

my impression is that the author provides some truth, and some that i would disagree with, for example his disdain for detoxification.

I don't see where "Oncologist Mark Simon" is any kind of "oncologist". He doesn't even seem to have a N.D. to call his own. These people are coming out of the woodwork, especially from Australia, where this "model" originally seems to have hailed from. Must be all that water....

KFCA Wrote:
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> I don't see where "Oncologist Mark Simon" is any
> kind of "oncologist". He doesn't even seem to
> have a N.D. to call his own.

Yep. Nor does this model/parcel carrier/modeling agency marketing person seem to have an appropriate scar.

These people are
> coming out of the woodwork, especially from
> Australia, where this "model" originally seems to
> have hailed from. Must be all that water....


The Australian Aboriginals seem not to be thusly afflicted though. My bet is that these people are from the pool of the 20% of that entire population who descended from the professional criminal convicts who were originally sent there as the next cheapest labor to slaves which could be could be easily had at that time.

SueZ Wrote:
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My bet is that these people are
> from the pool of the 20% of that entire population
> who descended from the professional criminal
> convicts who were originally sent there as the
> next cheapest labor to slaves which could be could
> be easily had at that time.

Maybe that same demographic is running the police department, too ...


"Wellness sensation Belle Gibson avoids police charges"


[www.heraldsun.com.au]

"In the foreword of her book The Whole Pantry, Belle Gibson was asked for the secret of her enormous popularity. “Authenticity and integrity,” she replied. “It really is that simple … There’s not enough honesty out there.” Ironically, Gibson may end up being a force for more candor in the world of online health advice — albeit not in the way she envisaged."




[www.theaustralian.com.au]

Beware - following Wikipedia updates on Belle Gibson can give you whiplash they are edited so often. Last sentence (word), at the moment, and, apparently only at Wikipedia is...


"On 12 April 2015 Gibson released her medical records which proved her cancer claims to be genuine."


[en.wikipedia.org]

[www.yahoo.com]

"“If I don’t have an answer, then I will sort of theorize it myself and come up with one,”

Sounds like standard Natural Hygiene philosophy!

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "“If I don’t have an answer, then I will sort
> of theorize it myself and come up with one,”
>
> Sounds like standard Natural Hygiene philosophy!

jtprindl,

Instead of a pointless statement above, we, the teeming ignorant masses quivering before your massive intellect, would love to see a critique of natural hygiene . That way you could educate us. pssst - first find out what natural hygiene is...

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "“If I don’t have an answer, then I will sort
> of theorize it myself and come up with one,”
>
> Sounds like standard Natural Hygiene philosophy!


BTW, hasn't the Natural Hygiene fractured fairytale experiment died out, for all practical purposes, outside of some tropical jungles and other outlier areas?

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "“If I don’t have an answer, then I will
> sort
> > of theorize it myself and come up with one,”
> >
> > Sounds like standard Natural Hygiene
> philosophy!
>
>
> BTW, hasn't the Natural Hygiene fractured
> fairytale experiment died out, for all practical
> purposes, outside of some tropical jungles and
> other outlier areas?

predictably continuing on the tradition of pointless posts, i would like to present to you SueZ ! take a bow Sue.

Raw Food - Natural Hygiene
[hippocratesinst.org]

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Raw Food - Natural Hygiene
> [hippocratesinst.org]
> d-natural-hygiene

Yeah, it seems to be over. Now and then I read some vestigial natural hygiene stuff like about "mono-meals", etc. but it's hard to believe more than a few buy into it for long anymore due to it's track record and it's founder's true histories hitting the light of day.

"Belle Gibson pleads for respect"

Respect? For what? Has this woman ever spoken the truth about anything? Even in the latest magazine article, in which she confesses to lying about cancer, she still claims a sordid incredible upbringing without giving out her mother's contact info for verification. Is journalism as morally dead as Belle is?

Bell also hasn't apologized to her marks, the public, or the people she has allegedly plagiarized from for lying that she had cancer and ripping them off.


This developing story does still has some interesting things going on with it - such as the extremely exclusive nature of her PR/lobbyist firm which may or may not be pro bono.

Anyway, some bits from the below article...

"The magazine quotes former friends calling Gibson a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and a "sociopath"."

"Gibson told the magazine it is her time to heal and she deserved to be treated with respect."

"I understand the confusion and suspicion, but I also know that people need to draw a line in the sand where they still treat someone with a level of respect or humility - and I have not been receiving that."


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[www.dailymail.co.uk]



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Nice link, JTP

JTP linked:
Raw Food - Natural Hygiene
[hippocratesinst.org]

I found a key paragraph from Jameth Sheridan's experience as a strict NH practitioner (I have seen this, too...with simply a strict raw vegan diet that wasn't cutting it for people) :

"From Hygiene to Carnivore. I have seen unbalanced, fringe raw food diets, like Natural Hygeine, turn more vegans to meat eaters than anything else. This is because a large percentage of those who practiced Natural Hygiene would eventually run into problems. Raw was such an emphasis and you were not allowed juice fasts, (many even eschewed juice itself), superfoods, herbs, colon cleansing, salt of any kind, or even whole food cooked Vegan foods. This led many of its followers to just “throw the baby out with the bathwater” and eat flesh, or partake of drugs and surgery, and/or suffer. I personally witnessed this happening rampantly."

Tai:
Case in point, he said that the Diamonds (fit for life) practiced Natural Hygiene. They are famous for preaching that diet and then becoming outspoken meat eaters.

All the same, I have learned a great deal from NH and see that it works in certain circumstances.

SueZ Wrote:
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> "Belle Gibson pleads for respect"
>
> Respect? For what? Has this woman ever spoken the
> truth about anything? Even in the latest magazine
> article, in which she confesses to lying about
> cancer, she still claims a sordid incredible
> upbringing without giving out her mother's contact
> info for verification. Is journalism as morally
> dead as Belle is?
>
> Bell also hasn't apologized to her marks, the
> public, or the people she has allegedly
> plagiarized from for lying that she had cancer and
> ripping them off.
>
>
> This developing story does still has some
> interesting things going on with it - such as the
> extremely exclusive nature of her PR/lobbyist firm
> which may or may not be pro bono.



Well it seems that, yes, Bespoke Approach is working for Belle pro bono. Wonder what that's all about.

"About Us


A unique bipartisan partnership of respected political and business leaders, Bespoke Approach is a premier corporate advisory firm offering trusted counsel to a select group of clients."




"Bespoke Approach is a premier corporate advisory firm offering trusted counsel to a select group of clients. A unique bipartisan partnership of respected political and business leaders, Bespoke Approach brings together former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, former Immigration Minister Nick Bolkus, corporate and political advisor Ian Smith and senior media executive Andrew Butcher.

With Alexander now Australia’s High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, former South Australian Premier John Olsen is now a Special Advisor to Bespoke Approach, bringing his experience in politics and deep connections with the United States, where he was a diplomat for approximately seven years.

Bespoke Approach offers tailored solutions to leading Australian and international organisations on political, regulatory and strategic communications issues.

Combining the experience of working at the highest levels of Coalition and Labor governments at Commonwealth and State levels and the media, Bespoke Approach offers a unique collaborative approach to leading international and Australian companies.

With emerging opportunities in Northern Australia, Bespoke Approach has also formed a partnership with Paul Henderson, former Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, to establish Bespoke Territory. Bespoke Territory provides advice and insight to international and national companies interested in this fast-developing region of Australia and, through Darwin, Australia’s closest gateway to Asia.

An appreciation of sensitive and complex issues enables Bespoke Approach to provide strategic advice, factoring in regional government policies and attitudes, cross-border sensitivities and prevailing public opinion"

[bespokeapproach.com]

re: NH

shall we assume that you don't have your own original thoughts?
just parroting some other person?

Everybody is going to have their own interpretation of a philosophy.

let's see how mr. sheridan interpreted it.


>There was a kind of very rigid and dogmatic approach to health and healing. Anything else was almost “evil.” If you were ill, you would take a “fast,” either on your own or at a fasting center. Meaning distilled water only, not food or juice. The body would heal all on this regime and you needed absolutely nothing outside of Natural Hygiene, or so it was very enthusiastically told to me. The body, in its infinite wisdom, needed no help from us other than to get out of its way to heal. If a fast did not heal you and you died as a result of it (which did happen, it was said that you would have died anyway – which was not always the case).

all of the above is true as far as i am concerned, except for the last part.
so this is an error in NH, and why I don't believe in that small aspect.

Am I required to believe in 100% in the original tenets of a philosphy otherwise
the whole thing is junk?

such immature thinking.


>Defciencies. A large percentage of Natural Hygienists, become deficient in important nutrients such as B-12, calcium, and protein.

such statements like the above are meaningless without numbers.


> In my experience, Natural Hygienists are the most sickly group of raw fooders.

i am not concerned about his experience as i have my own experience.

>Teeth and Blood Sugar. Facets of Natural Hygiene recommend Fruitarianism. I have never seen a long term fruitatian who is healthy. Many of them hide the fact that they take B-12 supplements or injections, and eat processed cooked foods. Fruitariansm is notorious for rotting teeth and bones (it did a number on my teeth).

facets? so what?


>Water Fasting. This has helped very many people. However, I, and most modern raw food teachers agree that Juice and/or Superfood fasting is superior. Water fasting is extremely depleting, extremely acid forming, is NOT as cleansing as, NOT as safe and NOT as healing as a Juice/Superfood fast/cleanse.

agreed. not as safe.


>From Hygiene to Carnivore. I have seen unbalanced, fringe raw food diets, like Natural Hygeine, turn more vegans to meat eaters than anything else. This is because a large percentage of those who practiced Natural Hygiene would eventually run into problems. Raw was such an emphasis and you were not allowed juice fasts, (many even eschewed juice itself), superfoods, herbs, colon cleansing, salt of any kind, or even whole food cooked Vegan foods. This led many of its followers to just “throw the baby out with the bathwater” and eat flesh, or partake of drugs and surgery, and/or suffer. I personally witnessed this happening rampantly.

says nothing about natural hygiene.

omnivores get sick and die. therefore omnivorism is a failure.

this is nonsense logic.

>A lot of Natural Hygiene leaders were notorious for NOT following the dictates of the diets they preached (including binging on processed foods – not even whole Vegan foods) and eating animal products. Herbert Shelton died with Parkinson’s disease. T.C. Fry died of heart failure when he was only 70.

so?


>What is needed is the evolution of Natural Hygiene. Many who started as Natural Hygienists (such as myself) have evolved their diets to a more balanced one,

It's his opinion. I disagree. especially with the nonsense below.

>such as what was agreed to at the International Living Foods Summit (see page 46), which was held at Hippocrates in 2006 and 2007. This dietary evolution is still 100 percent vegan (the Hygienists had that one right), but is much lower in sugar, much higher in chlorophyll, much higher in minerals, encourages soaking nuts and seeds, includes raw food juices, does juice and superfood cleanses instead of water fasting, allows and encourages unprocessed salts, superfoods like algaes, colon cleansing programs and healing herbs. Whereas strict adherence to Natural Hygiene often caused people to go back to meat and junk foods, the evolution of Natural Hygiene recognizes the vast nutritional superiority of whole food cooked foods over animal products (whether cooked or raw). The Hippocrates diet is one such dietary evolution.

oh, look, he sells superfoods! how objective!!

so, some truth, but really , is that it, jtprindl? that's the big NH failure?
please...

you've missed the 99% that is correct and true.

"shall we assume that you don't have your own original thoughts?
just parroting some other person?"

You, an imbecile, can assume that if you'd like

"such statements like the above are meaningless without numbers."

Where are your numbers? This is coming from a Naturopathic doctor with decades of experience.

"i am not concerned about his experience as i have my own experience."

So you're a hypocrite. You try to force your experiences on everyone else but aren't open to the experiences of others. GOT IT. Not that your diet is succeeding, especially cognitively.

"I disagree. especially with the nonsense below."

You disagree with lots of things - not because they are wrong but because you lack education, logic, and critical thinking skills.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "shall we assume that you don't have your own
> original thoughts?
> just parroting some other person?"
>
> You, an imbecile, can assume that if you'd like
>
>

ah yes the passive aggressive jtprindl with his smiley face after calling someone an imbecile.

unless your name is jameth sheridan, you are parroting someone else.
i didn't ask jameth sheridan about NH, i asked you, since YOU are the one who ignorantly insulted it.

> "such statements like the above are meaningless
> without numbers."
>
> Where are your numbers? This is coming from a
> Naturopathic doctor with decades of experience.

why do i need to provide numbers, imbecile?


i am not the one making the statement. he is.


>
> "i am not concerned about his experience as i have
> my own experience."
>
> So you're a hypocrite. You try to force your
> experiences on everyone else but aren't open to
> the experiences of others. GOT IT. Not that your
> diet is succeeding, especially cognitively.
>

not forcing anything.
not open to the experiences of others?
did you see above where i agreed with him?
try reading it more slowly.
oh, if i don't agree with all of it then i am a hypocrite.
my lord you are dumb.





> "I disagree. especially with the nonsense below."
>
> You disagree with lots of things - not because
> they are wrong but because you lack education,
> logic, and critical thinking skills.

you are going to make me cry.
boo hoo.