An Ultimate Question in need of an Ultimate Solution.

Where is John Rose?

He stopped posting.

And we miss his insights.

The forum is no longer the same.

The forum is dying...

"He stopped posting."

Yes he stopped posting once Suncloud had this to say ...



"John, here's the thing. There have been many thousands of Jewish witnesses to the holocaust, and even thousands more Non-Jewish witnesses to the conditions of the camps. Conditions upon liberation included piles of unburied dead bodies that were photographed. Many were buried by German residents who are also witnesses. Meanwhile, only a handful of so-called "experts" claim to have uncovered evidence that the holocaust never happened - and the conclusions from that handful are always disputed by a much larger number of other so-called "experts" who also study the evidence. Even most "revisionists" believe a genocidal holocaust occurred, but some believe a systematic extermination did not.

So we make a choice about whom to believe. You have chosen to believe the handful of so-called "experts" over many more other "experts" and also many thousands of JEWISH prison camp survivors, whom you apparently think are all lying, in addition to the Non-Jewish witnesses of conditions at the camps when they were liberated. So why would a person choose to believe a small minority of so-called "experts" and choose to think that so many thousands of Jewish witnesses and others are lying? There has to be some bias involved. Either it's bias for the people who've sucked you into believing them despite inadequate evidence (kind of like the guys who sucked you into believing the phony Kennedy quotes), OR it's bias against the Jews and other witnesses. Or both.

It's important to understand that whether the people died of gassing or starvation or disease - that is not the issue. The victims died because they were forced into those death-trap camps.

At the very least, there can be no dispute over the fact that the camps supplied neither adequate food nor protection from the elements, and that fact surely resulted in many of the deaths. The Jews were forced to be there.

Here is a quote from General Dwight D. Eisenhower, WWII (who later became US president. He also warned us of the potential power of the "Military Industrial Complex", which for decades now has promoted war for profit):

"The same day I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock.

"I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that "the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt."

And here's Eisenhower's speech containing his famous quote on the "Military Industrial Complex": [www.youtube.com]

That same military industrial complex (MIC) has perpetrated a lasting conspiracy behemoth that vastly outweighs any piddly little distraction about the Federal Reserve, the Illuminati, or Ebola that some fiction writer or the internet can dream up.

And in fact, those same distractions provide cover for the workings of the MIC, by creating voter apathy ("why vote, we're all just slaves" ), and thereby SUCK our people power, as the MIC takes their war profits to the bank. (Rah rah, go team.)

Want to do something GOOD? Something brave? Something bigger? Support the peace talks with Iran, and oppose those who wish to destroy ANY peace deal, and whose political ambitions are financed by the MIC."

To quote JR, from his endless list of endless meaningless totally irrelevant quotes, I am going to misquote Mark Twain, '' the reports of JR's disappearance have been greatly exaggerated ''. He's probably down in his crypt trying to find the elixir of life for his hero Hitler. As Arnie said '' he'll be back ''.

SUeZ.

I don't think something as simple as being caught out being wrong would deter JR. Truth isn't in his vocabulary, only what he believes in. In any case, soon some of his shills and cheering squad will be back attacking whoever doesn't toe the party line.

Suvine.


You asked why we can't discuss topics other than food, diet, etc. The reason being that once people started discussing anything, firstly Hitler is dragged out yet again. Then comes all the conspiracy theories, the illuminati, the banking conspiracies, Big Pharma, etc. We should be able to discuss these things. What needs to be banned is the talk of Hitler and all the conspiracy theories, then we can actually address the topics.

You would think that people who purport to be raw foodists would have an open mind and tolerance to discuss different subjects. Until recently on this board you couldn't discuss things like fermented foods ( rotten foods ), some cooked foods, salt ( a poison ), or if you dared talk about sprouts you were mocked. Throw in supplements, seaweed ( see scum ). Now a lot of those things are able to be discussed, as opposed to just the 80/10/10 mainly fruit based diet.

Trying to stay positive but I think he is upset that you cant talk about politics and he has to find some tree to pretend to be interested in..or that the fruit tree is the limit of his knowledge...just so he can hang with some raw vegans.

Why are we talking about NAZIS but if you want my opinion...there is alot about history that is alot of fraud and a movie producer was shipped in and the story about the lamps and the skin on them, was debunked, just for horror. Stuff like that, but this is war, This is what war is.
The English fried their own people in death camps too. More Germans died from carpet bombing than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined by THE ALLIES.. ( Innocents) and before the war even started Germans were going to be extinct because of the Russians killing entire German villages and nailing babies to walls..before Hitler basically saved everyone...not all we learned is correct.


Imagine that reality is FAR different than your imagination of it.? Wouldnt you guys love to know the truth?

I agree and thanks John and you guys for opening our eyes. Thanks Prana for opening my eyes. This is why I like talking about politics here because I LEARN.

Hitler, He wanted to go back to the gold standard for Germany. Everyone knows that and what happens. War is war and its horrific. But there is no monopoly on evil. Hitler was JUST as evil as everyone else involved. Make no mistake. Alot of those death camps were French.
Just dont be stupid people and see propaganda for what it is, just food for sheep.

And if Hitler is so evil because he had death camps, well look at all the FEMA camps we have. Just waiting. and noone wants to talk about politics because, its not trendy..its not politically correct...

I say this to you my friends dont you agree?

Why dont you guys just come out and say JOHN you talk and dont engage or listen enough to our opinions and you may be a little stubborn on some issues.. and we have all had enough of the one sided rambles..and now you are gone we want you back.

Storm and John RIP. Its not easy being raw vegans.





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I've tried the nice approach with John, but he is totally, absolutely, implacably and irrevocably closed minded - it's impossible to have a conversation with him.

Suvine, do you believe man landed on the moon, or is that another conspiracy?


Whoever '' discovered '' the FEMA camps needs a gold medal for conspiracy theories. I think it's a lot of nonsense - and I'm open-minded to anything with proof.

The fact that we live in a sick workd with sick people with sick ideas doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy.

I think that as long as people can have a sane, sensible, and respectful discussion there shouldn't be a problem.

Do we really need to regurgitate history from 75 years ago with Hitler, the Russians? Let's live in the present and deal with the present. I know this lady who says that the Vatican controls everything!!!

HI BJ I dont know about the moon. Why do you ask?

Lets talk about what you want to talk about tonight

At the moment I've dropped off the perch as far as politics is concerned - invested too much time and energy for zero return when I should have been focusing on getting my life right. If you're not in the loop in politics it's very hard to have any input. If your life is fine then it's ok to invest time and energy in politics. Here in Oz both sides are as corrupt as each other - not in direct corruption, but in institutionalised corruption.

You lived in Florida in the past. I lived in tropical Cairns in the past and am thinking of moving up there next year. When I lived there in the mid 1970's it was a very simple time - the airport was a tin shed ( I kid you not ). Now they have an international airport and everything is probably freezing cold air conditioned.

As far as politics is concerned, I believe more can be done to improve the world by a gradual approach as opposed to the hostile all or nothing approach from this board.

The Law of One seems to me to be the Law of Zero. The planet, nature and the natural wildlife is almost all gone - the Creator better hurry or there will be nothing to unite for. I don't believe in the Creator after the way he has allowed a beautiful planet to be destroyed.

As for the so called meeting on the moon of 120 reps from 70 countries... pretty far fetched.

Something that has made me question certain things, like the Roswell Incident. If a '' spaceship '' did crash with aliens, why hasn't NASA been able to reverse engineer the technology? The space vehicles being used are like the planes that the Wright Brothers flew compared to our planes.

Bring it on!! And whatever Prana says GOES I dont care.



YEAHHHHH

Tell me more about the law of one. Thats why I come here!!!


And you BJ
where is Cairns? Sounds Australian? I live in the woods somewhere but not in Florida.

According to all you guys here I am TRANS-100%raw but I think I am just 100%. Good to meet you!





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Prana Wrote:
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> There is an excellent article called Pyramid Of
> Death: Who REALLY Runs This World?.
>
> It includes tradition historical views:
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> As well as secret society view:
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> This article claims this is the most accurate
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I don't like the first three diagrams because they seem like nonsense according to my research, however the forth diagram is more respectable imo with the exception of the satanic new age annunaki theory. I spent years doing legal research and do believe l came across solid proof of possibly the only document ever posted online that showed who is at the top or very close to the top. The link was posted by a friend of a friend and was the final nail in the coffin proving what years of my research had been suggesting.

Do the Kings/Queens rule the world? Not even close apparently. I'll tell you what my research indicated. Btw...less than a year after the proof (very likely the ultimate proof imo) was posted the person disappeared and has never been seen again. All his websites were deleted and friends don't know where he has gone. We think he has been killed because he knew too much.


Who rules the world? It seems like these chaps are very VERY close to the top according to years of my legal research. Also remember that the true tyrants would not pay tax, imo, and apparently the royal families do pay tax.

Say hello to Mathew and his friends. There is supposed to be another level above them, and they own no assets. Yes, it is said the true rulers of the world are poor, but they have immense power, but l can't confirm the top tier because l haven't found any proof at all. I only found evidence imo linking the men in the pictures to far higher than royal families and pretty much anyone else.








Forget kings and queens, these fellows are big boys.


Since l can no longer link the smoking gun, l will leave you all to consider something. Kings would not kiss the hand of someone below them, would they? Look at who's hand the King is kissing.



Trace the birth certificate and you will uncover the greatest human slavery scam ever put on mankind, and it seemed to have started with a certain P. Bull in 1302 written on the skin of virgins written in their blood. No guesses for where these bulls are supposed to be stored.

www.thesproutarian.com

Brilliant post SUVINE...

1.

The ridiculous fairy tale that exactly 6,000,000 Jews were killed in gas chambers and by other means by Hitler and his forces is already dead, even as far as the official story is concerned. Raul Hilberg, a Jewish supremacist who was considered to be the leading “expert” on the so-called Holocaust™ and preeminent author of exterminationist literature like “The Destruction of the European Jews,” admitted under oath in the kangaroo court of the first Zündel trial in 1985 that there is no scientific proof that Jews had been gassed and that there is not a single Nazi document to be found actually setting forth an order nor allocating a monetary budget for the extermination of Jewry (he actually had to revise an earlier edition of his book where he falsely claimed that there was a Hitler order). On the contrary, all the documents dealing with the Nazis’ solution of the Jewish question refer to emigration.


When you tally all of those official reductions of HoloHoax deaths together — including the five million non-existent Gentile victims made up by Wiesenthal — you get 11,326,000 invented, conjured, mythical, fictional victims of the Nazis! Through decades of tedious research and intense study, Holocaust Revisionist scholars have determined that somewhere between 300,000 and 500,000 people — both Jews and Gentiles — perished in the Nazis’ labor and prison camps, largely due to malnutrition and disease that was a result, not of a Nazi extermination policy, but almost entirely due to the barbaric Allied saturation bombing of Germany and its supply lines which prevented key shipments of foodstuffs, medicines and other life-sustaining materials from making it to the camps.

[zioncrimefactory.com]

On top of freeing Germany from all Jewish influence, Hitler nearly eradicated unemployment in the country. Under National Socialist economic policies, unemployment went from 30.1% in 1932 to 2.1% in 1938. (Folsom, Burton W. “New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America”. New York: Threshold Editions, 2008. p. 243) Hitler instituted ingenious economic reforms whereby he established his own State-controlled central bank and currency that was not backed by Jewish-controlled precious metals or foreign exchanges, but German productive labor. As a result of National Socialist economic policies, Germany’s economy flourished. Hitler freed Germany from the debt slavery imposed on free peoples by the usurious Jewish banking dynasties of Europe, led by the Rothschilds. Adolf Hitler saved and liberated Germany and its people! This is why, when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, International Jewry unleashed a perfidious economic war on the Third Reich in a concerted effort to bring down Hitler and his glorious National Socialist government who dared to free themselves from Jewish domination.

2. Note the current lunatic psychotic Netanyahu and his warmongering for a taste of what his ilk think.

3. Note the american jews in govt who have higher allegiance to israel, and even INVENT and distort alleged "quotes" from iranian leaders from decades ago to justify their propaganda..

4. note the religious directives from the psychotic "bible" permeating and determining this behavior.

5. Note the psychotic jewish killers responsible for 9/11, starting with larry silverstein, owner of one of the towers

no i do not agree with rounding up innocent people, jews or otherwise, but that was his solution to a problem that he thought plagued his country, and observing what we see today, it is not a stretch to understand that a similar jewish impact on the country may have existed. and i am not claiming the above is true, merely that it should be considered instead of blindly accepting the alternative propaganda.

>Technologies that came from alien crashes: teflon, velcro, infrared vision, transistors and microchips, LEDs. As for propulsion, Nikola Tesla knew how to do "flying saucer" style anti-gravity propulsion and free energy, and this was taken by the government and brought into secret space programs. In the 1981 "Law of One" series, the channeled entity Ra states that the US was already in possesion of 500 usable craft built by the US (which became part of the the secret space program).

you might want to provide evidence for the above.

here is evidence

[www.todayifoundout.com]

The Queen shows her allegiance to her bosses by displaying a big Maltese Cross. The royals don't wear masonic uniforms with certain symbolism by accident. That is the issue, the royal families are only mid level in the top chains of the illuminati.




When they wear costumes (uniforms) you know they are never up to any good because they serve evil powers. To serve evil powers you need to dress like a pawn to play the role of a pawn.

www.thesproutarian.com

BJ Wrote:
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> I've tried the nice approach with John, but he is
> totally, absolutely, implacably and irrevocably
> closed minded - it's impossible to have a
> conversation with him.
>
> Suvine, do you believe man landed on the moon, or
> is that another conspiracy?
>
>
> Whoever '' discovered '' the FEMA camps needs a
> gold medal for conspiracy theories. I think it's a
> lot of nonsense - and I'm open-minded to anything
> with proof.
>
> The fact that we live in a sick workd with sick
> people with sick ideas doesn't mean that
> everything is a conspiracy.
>
> I think that as long as people can have a sane,
> sensible, and respectful discussion there
> shouldn't be a problem.
>
> Do we really need to regurgitate history from 75
> years ago with Hitler, the Russians? Let's live in
> the present and deal with the present. I know this
> lady who says that the Vatican controls
> everything!!!


Speaking of insanity in the community - vegangains recently pulled out his camera to video his grandfather dying from a heart attack in front of him so he could post it on youtube as a reminder what happens if you eat meat. Then he went on to get pouty because his family both wouldn't allow him to post his masterpiece and dragged him to his grandfather's funeral.

BJ why are the fences pointed inwards on all the Fema camps. The barbed wire? Why are people filming Walmarts being closed to do military exercises. Lets talk about that. Why are boxcars piled to the top JUST of shackles and tons of coffins built? You can see photos.

Prana now to look at your presentation: BRAVO But between me and you I do not think it is capitalism to blame but corporatism. All capitalism is the right to own private property and have your health, your job, your business you life basically you own. Noone is allowed to tax your income, that is not capitalism. Capitalism is freedom. Money is freedom. Freedom from OTHER MEN.

How can we as raw vegans communicate with each other when things "change over" or IN CASE of someone crazy in the White House and all the compromised politicians.

What more do you guys need. THEy TOOK AWAY OUR RAW ALMONDS. They want all greens to be irradiated its coming back for review. Politics are important to us. We are people. We do think and we do have rights. Right?





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AHA MOMENT

Is it that certain raw vegans who are involved here, think that we are not a part of society simply because we choose a different way of eating?

Or is it that somehow the political issues that the cooked fooders have has nothing to do with us?

Society is A CREATION or all of us masterminding into it.

We can choose to escape society, then what are you doing here on internet? At least have integrity about your beliefs. Or that this is the ONLY SAFE PLACE on the internet? Its only safe to think about fruit?

Do any of you guys feel that being raw vegan excludes you from issues society at large is having or that we are too good for them all?

I can speak for myself saying I love mankind and I think we as raw vegans can heal the planet and our thoughts are very important and our opinions, if you like something or dont- IS important.

I am a capitalist- its an unknown ideal - to be free from others... I believe in mans greatness. I think it can happen. Lets just lead by example and show off our smarts!

And if John Rose wants to be stubborn and only listen to his ramblings and never engage any one of us, then its his right, and we should respect it. Maybe we can do LISTENING exercises when it comes to his posts.

Crappy people allowed here just be raw vegan or close or even TRANS 100% raw is cool. Just come here and chat and talk about anything and leave open questions and refer to others by name and try to comment on everyones opinion and always focus on DESIRED OUTCOME


The love on here is startling...





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Just saying John never ever not even once connected.

Prana I am an expert in life with Kings. Its a favorite topic of mine when I go into book store.
I wonder if this mistress was named Alice?

suvine Wrote:
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> Prana I am an expert in life with Kings. Its a
> favorite topic of mine when I go into book store.

Huh? You are an expert of what in the bookstore?

A society without money/capitalism does not have to be bad. We've seen examples on tv shows where greed is not the fundamental principal of the society like ours is.

BJ Wrote:
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> I've tried the nice approach with John, but he is
> totally, absolutely, implacably and irrevocably
> closed minded - it's impossible to have a
> conversation with him.

I have not read much of the Hitler issues but to me John contribution to digestive health is tremendous. He has it right and very committed to helping many heal themselves.

As somebody else wrote, we are not nourished by the amount of food we eat but rather but the food WE CAN ASSIMILATE. The problem is not the nutrients but the ability of the digestive system to move the nutrients into our blood. And on that front John's contribution to the forum was immense.

Very few of us can juice fast for one day but John did this for more than 30 consecutive days each year and taught many his technique.


”The serpent is in man.
It is the intestine.
The belly is a heavy burden;
it disturbs the equilibrium between the soul and the body.
It is the mother of vices.
The Colon is King.” -Victor Hugo

"Very few of us can juice fast for one day but John did this for more than 30 consecutive days each year and taught many his technique."

Good Lord, are you kidding or just too young to remember or know that back in the 70's and 80's, (at least), tons of people did it with no problem or more guidance than following the $3 Mucusless Diet book every heath food store sold. I did it myself for three months straight without a problem.

Suez
So you were into high cleansing.
Interesting.
What made you move from that into high fat and oil diet?

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Suez
> So you were into high cleansing.


That was around 25 years ago and I needed to cleanse mercury out of my system.

All that quick cleansing must have been too much for my gall bladder so I went with Edger Cayce's lemon and olive oil for that problem and it worked. Once I was back on my feet I went back to my normal vegetarian diet but left out all gluten containing foods and went on the rotation diet. I always still traveled with the olive oil, though, and continued to use it about once a week to stave off gall bladder attacks. I wasn't on a high fat diet then but I didn't keep track of things so I don't know percentages. I ate a balanced diet. Cheese once in a while but otherwise no milk product.

> What made you move from that into high fat and oil
> diet?


Several decades later I went from non gluten vegetarian to low fat high carb raw vegan overnight after health setback repercussions of eating "gluten free" oatmeal several years ago. Then I went to Tavis' high fat low carb raw vegan version of raw after I suffered heath setback repercussions from the high carb raw vegan diet.

Thanks for sharing your experience SueZ

>I suffered heath setback repercussions from the high carb raw vegan diet.
So what exactly does a high carb raw vegan eat?
[eatinglikeorangutans.blogspot.com]

SueZ Wrote: I suffered heath setback
> repercussions from the high carb raw vegan diet.

alternative universe scenario:

"I suffered a health setback after repercussions from some organic issues with my body causing difficulties maintaining a high carb raw vegan diet since the high carb raw vegan diet is the perfect diet for all beings in the entire universe, bwa ha ha."

[www.ihr.org]

Why would any "witness" be any different from Elie Wiesel?






> "John, here's the thing. There have been many
> thousands of Jewish witnesses to the holocaust,
> and even thousands more Non-Jewish witnesses to
> the conditions of the camps.

I highly recommend that anyone going on a high carb diet at least learn how to test and keep taps of your blood sugar. The kits for testing it are cheap and readily available and the consequences of blindly following the know-it- all addicted to sugar back to the jungle crowd can have really bad consequences you just don't need in your life. Don't be afraid of science or the puffed up gas bags who say you don't need to do anything more than to listen to them and do what they do.