Nunativs,
i looked into that man's theories on tooth decay.
What if someone had bone cancer. Could they still eat the way this man suggests? No way. HIs method works for some people in some circumstances, but I don't see it as sustainable.

There are actually vegan options to heal the teeth and the bones throughout the body, which can be universal, no matter how sick a person is, even if they have bone cancer or any cancer, for which a meat diet is contraindicated according to T. Colin Campbell.

NuNativs Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> > One thing l never have been able to grasp is
> why
> > humans were designed so they couldn't grow a
> 3rd,
> > 4th or 5th set of teeth if need be. As far as l
> am
> > concerned, humans were always going to go down
> the
> > path of processed foods and have tooth rot for
> all
> > types of reasons, and various humans were
> always
> > going to lose teeth from accidents etc.
> >
> > All humans deserve to have teeth to eat with,
> so
> > designing humans to grow extra sets would have
> > been ideal imo. Living with false teeth or no
> > teeth must be the pits.
>
> In Hilton Hotema's books he has numerous examples
> of people living to advanced ages that grew a
> third set of teeth. Perhaps the nutritional and
> regenerative environment has to be exemplary for
> this to take place...


Many years ago I used to set an alarm clock which woke me up to the local radio station. It once woke me in the middle of a program called "one hundred years ago today in the local news".

The local big news in that 100 years ago day segment was that local doctors were baffled by a very elderly woman, who had been toothless for 30 years, growing back a full third set of teeth! Although hearing that made me wake instantly and sit up bolt upright from a deep sleep I'm foggy on remembering her exact age. As I recall she was between 85 and 90 years old.

SueZ Wrote:
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> NuNativs Wrote:
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> "jeez the little discussed dark side..."
>
>
> Some have talked about the horrible and expensive
> dental problems they've had on a high carb fruity
> diet. They usually try to blame it on having
> suddenly ceased taking proper care of their teeth
> once they went on that diet.
>
> Did they think the diet would magically take care
> of their tooth cleaning tasks? Were they on too
> much of a sugar induced high to remember to take
> care of themselves?

Just remembered a few more to add to this thread's growing list of those who have put themselves in the public eye and who ate, or eat, high fruit diets long term and ended up having extensive and expensive dental problems.


Michael Arnstein (?) - I don't really know about his dental problems, though, other than having reading about them on this site - thus the (?)

Tim Van Orden - I've seen a video he made on his teeth and can say, without a doubt, that his teeth were terribly damaged for someone his age.

The thing about MIke Arnstein is that once he quit the boxes of dates and only ate juicy fruit, his teeth were okay. (it was pigging out on dates for over a year that caused over 20 cavities to form).

I still don't buy into fruit phobia, even after the tooth horror stories. NOt all fruit is the same. Like for example, as I was saying in an earlier post, in cases of kidney yin deficiency causing tooth decay, some daily goji berries could help (just not chewing them--making a smoothie or tea is better). In stomach damp heat causing tooth decay, some amount of watermelon in season (and aloe and the formula Gan Lu Yin) could help. The Chinese raspberry, Fu Pen Zi, is good for kidney yang deficiency causing tooth decay. These are just a few examples. Mind you, herbs work the best for repairing teeth, but some foods can greatly assist. THe black foods I mentioned are a good foundation for teeth, high mineral greens are excellent, as are calcium rich seeds, specific herbs and specific fruit.

Despite all the horror stories, I still look at each kind of fruit for its unique properites. Even amongst grapes, there are some that are tart and some that are ultra sweet, same with apples.

I really admire TSM a lot. He lives in an environment that has months of darkness, rain, cold and lousy fruit during those months. Seed prices can be astronomical. TSM's fortitude at persevering with raw vegan is inspiring. TSM, fruit in California is so different.

ANd also, I don't judge John Kohler so much, because I know that intense heat makes sweet fruit more digestible. John lives in Las Vegas, which gets incredibly hot. If I lived in Las Vegas, I would eat even more fruit. But that still doesn't explain drinking so much cane juice in NOvember.

Tai: I am reasonably sure at that time l was taking heaps of sprouted black sesame most days (had a 50 pound sack). My bones got really strong, but my teeth were rotting.


Maybe it was the fox.


I'll read the rest of your post later when lhave more time.

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I think enamel erosion can be higher on a fruit based diet

but tooth pain and gum problems went away for me.

Always had tooth pain and gum problems with fruit, but never with the 99.9% sprout diet.

www.thesproutarian.com

How is it that John hasn't done a video on dental health? He is always having these experts on and saying so and so is a 20 year raw foodist and asks them questions. Whenever I see him asking them questions and I look at their '' beautiful '' teeth I wonder why he doesn't ask them about their teeth and if they are real or implants? How is their dental health and what advice would they give and what mistakes they have made?

Has Kristina had her upper cheeks botoxed or pumped full of collagen, or is it my imagination?

organic1 Wrote:
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> Nuts, seeds and urine come out ?
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> Please don't tell me were back to the Doug
> Graham-esque science where we are "detoxing" or
> cleansing nuts and seeds that have been stored in
> the body from years ago

Residue from stuff eaten is cleansed out. Fruit does not Cause it.

organic1 Wrote:
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> Nuts, seeds and urine come out ?
>
> Please don't tell me were back to the Doug
> Graham-esque science where we are "detoxing" or
> cleansing nuts and seeds that have been stored in
> the body from years ago

Lol, fresh never seems to have left off wearing his dg junior persona.

I don't recall, and it doesn't ring a bell to me, that doug graham senior said he thinks nuts and seeds are bad and must be detoxed with fruit.

Has little doug taken big doug's pseudo-logic another, even crazier, step further down the coo coo road?

organic1 Wrote:
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> Nuts, seeds and urine come out ?
>
> Please don't tell me were back to the Doug
> Graham-esque science where we are "detoxing" or
> cleansing nuts and seeds that have been stored in
> the body from years ago


who said years ago? um.... you.

all the trolls love to bash fruit mindlessly.

he ingests urine, ferments, nut and seed pastes, etc, etc and then increases fruit intake. as if recent foods eaten have nothing to do with it. blames fruit. but that is the job of the anti fruit patrol.

Fresh wrote
he ingests urine

Tai
Past tense. He stopped months ago. Let that pass. And if there weren't elder pied pipers with big names in the raw vegan world promoting it, many would never try that.

I would tend to be open that the gum issues might have been related to cleansing, but NOT tooth pain. Tooth pain related to fruit ingestion followed by losing one's teeth is NOT cleansing.

It's a tragedy when a person loses a tooth. Pain is a big signal to STOP what you are doing and try something else. Pain is the body's way of telling you that something is terribly wrong and to be careful.

Also, some fruit truly is cleansing but not all fruit.

Also TSM is not anti fruit.

organic1,

agreed.

tai, i wasn't talking about tooth loss