for those who have not seen this already

[jn.nutrition.org]

organic1 Wrote:
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> Nah... can't be bothered reading it. Will just
> discount it before i even bother like you do all
> my research.
>
> its not done on cooked foodists anyway so why
> should i bother.
>
> I only believe in science when it suits my agenda.
> Im just going to discount everything by saying
> nah..like fresh does...
>
> (only kidding, i came across that study years ago
> when doing my research on homocysteine and raw
> vegan diets).
>
> The study found that the raw food diet was
> associated with elevated homocysteine(due to
> vitamin b12 deficiency) and again
> hyperhomocysteinemia is a proven factor for
> increased cardiovascular disease risk.
>
> So more proof that raw veganism is a diet that
> promotes heart disease rather than prevents.


FALSE. A raw vegan diet that is low in B12 is the problem.


>
> Just because the participants didn't have elevated
> triglycerides doesn't mean Kristina' should ignore
> hers.
>

Kristina's elevated TG is caused by either not being in a fasting state or low b12, since she doesn't take b12 (as the other study stated)

> Also im only claiming here that your excessively
> high sugar 80/10/10 diet to elevate triglycerides
> here, not a varied raw vegan diet.
>
> Big difference, im not claiming for e.g that the
> sproutarian mans raw vegan diet would elevate
> triglycerides because its far too low in
> carbohydrates for that to be possible.
>
> However your excessive sugar 80/10/10 raw vegan
> diet is a different story, because it derives more
> than 60% of its total calories from sugar, which
> is proven to raise triglycerides.

It is not proven and I have given you actual facts that have disproved it.

High TG is caused by poor diet and cooked food and maybe low b12, not high sugar diet.

Due to your bias, you are ignoring facts to the contrary of your position such as harley's blood tests, my blood tests and the study itself.

It's rather pointless to engage in conversation with you when you so clearly ignore data the debunks your view.

organic1 Wrote:
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> Kristina didn't even have low B12 levels in her
> test video, due to supplementing twice that year
> she claimed.
>
> So why are you now claiming low vitamin b12 to be
> the cause here ?
>

correct me if I am wrong regarding the type of test it was, but unless it was a urinary mma, it's meaningless.

> Im not even sure if there is actually any
> literature showing vitamin b12 deficiency to raise
> triglycerides anyway. I will check into that.
>

I had posted it here recently.

> But in the mean time keep continuing to ignore the
> scientifically proven cause of elevated
> triglycerides which is very high carbohydrate
> intake(over 60% of total calories)

continue to ignore harley

organic1 Wrote:
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> Ohh here we go now your claiming her serum B12
> isn't enough, when you were just claiming she was
> low in b12 previously and that was the issue.
> You've been debunked again because as said in the
> video her B12 levels were fine.
>

you're getting desperate

> Im not aware of any literature on vitamin b12
> deficiency causing high triglycerides anyway
> fresh, care to share if you've seen anything or
> can explain how you've come to the consensus that
> low b12 was the cause of her elevated
> triglycerides ?

i didn't say it was I said it could be and if you just search my recent posts you will find it

wait, here it is

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

>
> Yes serum b12 can often miss functional b12
> deficiency and urine MMA and homocysteine are
> helpful tests. However if we go on her B12 serum
> levels being fine, it doesn't look to be the cause
> here.
>

meaningless

> Why are you using harley as an example again like
> i just asked you above ? He isn't even 80/10/10,
> hes back eating a majority cooked food diet now.
>
> Find a better example... than someone who couldn't
> even sustain the 80/10/10 diet your trying to
> defend here.

because he eats more than 60% carbs .

do you even read what I post? the studies do not say only raw food causes problems with TG



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2015 03:52PM by fresh.

organic1 Wrote:
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> Your study says in individuals with type 2
> diabetes, so not otherwise healthy individuals as
> far as i have read so far.
>

there is apparently a link so it may not just be for diabetics

> So are you suggesting that Kristina has type 2
> diabetes for low B12 to be the cause ?

no

>
> Or is this just another lame excuse you haven't
> really thought through and hence easily debunked
> once again, just like the non-existant oils or
> whatever else you blamed previously.
>
> Wake up and see that you can't just consume
> unlimited amounts of fruit/carbs/sugar and be
> healthy. Are you really still operating in that
> mentality fresh that carbs have no side effects in
> excessive quantities ?

funny that no matter how many times I tell you that harley's tests were normal, you just can't seem to get it. of course that's because it blows your theory that you have invested so much in