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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: September 06, 2016 12:58PM

So Norman LaLanne outlived his brother Jack even though he was not into healthy living and exercises as his brother Jack?

Interesting...

Maybe when it comes to longevity it has to do more with the genes than the diet.

On diet and exercise alone we could have Doug Graham or Brian Clement live past 100 years.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: September 06, 2016 04:50PM

On the other hand, Jack & Norman's first born brother, Irving, died at age four & 1/2 years---his newspaper obit didn't say from what---in 1911. Children frequently died in childhood back then as any trip through an old cemetery easily tells you. Jack's father, John, died at age 58, though Jack always claimed age 50 (because he didn't take care of his health), and his mother, Jennie, died at around age 87, though Jack claimed age 94 for her.

So all over the ballpark...

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: September 07, 2016 02:08AM

>Children frequently died in childhood back then

I guess we came a long way. I remember growing up so many of my friends died young.

Life expectancy was about 40 years not long ago

"Generally throughout the 1830s and the 1840s trade was off and food prices were high. The poorer classes, being underfed, were less resistant to contagion. Also, during the more catastrophic years the weather was extremely variable, with heavy rains following prolonged droughts. Population, especially in the Midlands and in some seaport cities and towns, was growing rapidly without a concurrent expansion in new housing. Crowding contributed to the relatively fast spread of disease in these places. The Registrar General reported in 1841 that while mean life expectancy in Surrey was forty-five years, it was only thirty-seven in expectancy in London and twenty-six in Liverpool. The average age of "labourers, mechanics, and servants", at times of death was only fifteen. Mortality figures for crowded districts like Shoreditch, Whitechapel, and Bermondsey were typically half again or twice as high as those for middle-class areas of London." [www.victorianweb.org]



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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: September 19, 2016 07:23PM

As to Live Food Products Co. (now Bragg Live Food Products, Inc.), its corporate history is somewhat interesting, and somewhat different than currently believed. My sources were from checking with the California Secretary of State's corporations' records, & Paul Bragg's probate file, which exists in Court records in Riverside County, California.

Paul Bragg originally filed Articles of Incorporation for his company on April 6, 1951, showing its then address as 3607 W. Pacific Avenue, Burbank, CA.

Then on September 29, 1971, a "Certificate of Winding Up & Dissolution of Live Food Products Co, A California corporation" was filed with the California Secretary of State (then Edmund G. Brown, Jr., now California's Governor), so said company no longer existed. Note that this was five years before Paul Bragg's death.

Then on December 28, 1972, over a year later, "Articles of Incorporation of Live Food Products, Inc," were filed with the California Secretary of State (still Jerry Brown). Its then-Board of Directors were members/employees of a Los Angeles attorneys' firm. On April 6, 1973, those Articles of Incorporation were amended with the CA Secretary of State reporting a change of corporate venue. The interesting thing about this document, however, is that Patricia Bragg signed it as "President" of this company over three years before Paul's Bragg's December 7, 1976 death, although it's commonly believed that she only took over after his death.

Considering this & all the other stuff, (also known as "reading between the lines"winking smiley, apparently Paul Bragg was not officially associated with Live Food Products #2 after dissolution of Live Foods Products #1 in 1971. My personal take on this story is that Paul Bragg retired from "health food product manufacturing" either before or when he essentially moved to Hawaii in the late 1960ties. He was interviewed extensively by the two Honolulu daily newspapers four times from 1969 thru 1975, and none mentioned a word about any existing Bragg food products, whether enzymes or apple cider vinegar or whatever, although one did mention his booklets being in Hawaii health food stores. His 1976 Florida death certificate also only gave his "last occupation" as a writer of health books, nothing about product manufacturing.

The Braggs are "mysterious" indeed.

Corrections/comments always appreciated.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: Horsea ()
Date: September 19, 2016 08:58PM

Life expectancy was about 40 years not long ago

Until antibiotics and other medicines came along, infectious disease claimed the young as well as the old, as did respiratory illness in the big cities. More of the young died then, and the percentage of young people in the population was much greater. Therefore, the life expectancy figure (an abstract thing if you don't take a hard, close look at it) was much lower than it is today, but in no way does this suggest that everyone, or even the vast majority, died at a very young age.

Life expectancy for 1900 is given as 47.3 years, yet a good many people lived very long lives. It's important to understand that the life expectancy figures for a population refer to numbers, not age. If we have a large number of elderly in our population at some time, as we do now, we end up with a higher life expectancy figure. More younger people gives us a lower figure.

Our life expectancy is actually dropping, mainly because our modern diseases (diseases of degeneration) are proving deadlier than the infections of the past.

To sum up:


A. People who are real old today got there through the application of high tech medicine; people who lived to be equally old hundreds of years ago got there through their own naturally strong constitutions. There was nothing but simple natural medicines and procedures to get them through whatever ailed them.

B. More people than ever are dependent on costly life-upport today, at both ends of the life span. This boosts life-expectancy figu8res, but doesn't mean that we are living longer (than in the past) or that we are healthier.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: September 19, 2016 09:38PM

>Until antibiotics and other medicines came along, infectious disease claimed the young as well as the old, as did respiratory illness in the big cities

What were the real causes of low life expectancy in the 1800s and 1900s?

What is the lack of antibiotics or just poor hygiene, unhealthy milieu of filth, poor sanitation, lack of adequate sewage disposal, contaminated waters?

Maybe antibiotics helped cured the diseases that did not need to exist if the waters and living conditions were clean.



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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: Horsea ()
Date: September 20, 2016 05:47AM

Mother Nature always takes the weakest if there are no artificial methods of saving them. When a plague of one type or another is making the rounds, some exposed to it will live and some will die. The ones who survive, it's because they are tough and worthy of life and passing on their genes.

A certain portion of a population will always survive poor living conditions, dirty water, etc. without outside medical intervention.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: September 29, 2019 01:52AM

Could be The End of The Story, as far as Patricia Bragg goes. Don't know if it was noticed but Bragg Live Food Products was sold in June of this year to "an investment group", which included Katy Perry, singer/entertainer & her fiancée, actor Orlando Bloom. I'm wondering if Patricia has some health problems---anyone here know?

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: September 30, 2019 12:22AM

Patricia Bragg is 90 year old. That is a milestone.





[www.latimes.com]

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: September 30, 2019 05:05PM

Yes, age 90 is a milestone indeed. She does have
some longevity in her family background in that her father lived to age 88 (he died as a result of an accident), and her half-brother to his early 90ties as I recall. On the other hand, both her mother & (full) brother only lived to their mid 60ties.

It will be interesting to see how the new ownership handles the company.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: BJ ()
Date: October 07, 2019 06:31AM

Paul Bragg was not a blood related to Patricia Bragg - he was her father in law. Patricia married Paul Bragg's son. He 'adopted' her, and it seemed like a better narrative to refer to her as his daughter.

Patricia also had an organic farm in New South Wales Australia which she sold several years ago.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: October 07, 2019 05:26PM

I looked a little further into the Bragg company & found that a "Linda Boardman" is now the current Chief Executive Officer (this was Patricia's former title) of Bragg Live Food Products & has been since March of this year---according to Ms. Boardman's "Linked In" post. She apparently is associated with one of the new owner groups. Also, on September 17, 2019, the company filed an updated Statement of Information (an "SI"winking smiley with the California Secretary of State advising of the new/current Board Members, and "Katheryn Hudson", more well known as "Katy Perry", was one of them. I didn't see Orlando Bloom's name there however.

So the changes are coming.

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Re: The Mysterious Braggs...
Posted by: KFCA ()
Date: October 26, 2019 08:39PM

BTW, the reason I questioned Patricia Bragg's health & perhaps the reason for the Bragg company sale, was a document filed with the California Secretary of State on March 7, 2019. (you can look up for yourself, it is a public record). It's a typed form, except for her signature, which is SO shakey, not even close to her signature in past filings. Therefore when I later saw that Ms. Boardman took over as CEO in that same month (per her "Linked In" page), which seemed to have happened a few months before the actual company sale, I had to wonder if it was more than coincidence.

But if I've reached a erroneous conclusion, please be sure to let me know.

And yes, we now know that Paul Bragg was not ever Patricia's bio-father, as stated above by "BJ". But it makes for yet another "Bragg Story".

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