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Stomach cancer rates are high in parts of Asia, especially Korea, and studies do indeed suggest that at least part of the reason may be all the kimchi, miso, and pickled fish people eat in that part of the world. Those foods contain N-nitroso compounds, which are likely carcinogens.

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Tai
Bluespixie
The longtermers who say they're still raw... what kind of background are they/you from in terms of food/drug addictions?

Tai:
Food addictions
Lou Corona used to win at eating contests. He would eat more pizza than anyone. When he was dying of asthma, the being of Light who visited him, showed him his past and how when he was a boy, he was so abused by his family that he wanted to die. He actually cried out that he wanted to die. He created a deathwish that eventually played out into him winning those eating contests and developing that tumor and being on the brink of death with asthma.
When Lou saw that, he affirmed his wish to live and negated the deathwish.
The first thing the being made Lou do was to forgive everyone in his past who ever hurt him and he also made Lou love them and bless them. It took Lou months to learn how to do that, but under the guidance of his mentor, he eventually learned to do that.

I don't think it matters what past addictions one has. Whereever one is at, that's where you start from.

Caffeine
Bluespixie, I will tell you my story of caffeine. My tolerance for caffeine has diminished over the years. I was never addicted but there were some drinks that I liked the flavor of like green tea, oolong, and chai, of which I would drink maybe one time a week, or sometimes a few times a week at most. The chinese have some extremely high quality green tea that can sell for $200/lb. The most I ever paid was $70/lb, but friends gave me the unforgettable Huang Shan Maofeng (yellow mountain maofeng green tea). It was like coconut, it was so good. It's night and day from what's sold in stores. The surface tension of the water changes so magically with it and it's so delightful to drink. There is also this wonderful tea ceremony using zi sha (purple clay) tea pots that makes it even more special. My favorite is oolong, the dark deep jade color (also not sold anywhere but CHinese tea shops. Whatever is sold in grocery stores would bear little resemblance to the high quality kind).
My body reached a point this year that my tolerance for caffeine has become so reduced, so low that the last time I had a cup of oolong the night before and then a cup of chai the next day (with raw cacao), I felt so sick with caffeine for two hours. It felt like I had drank 5 cups of coffee. My nerves were buzzing so extremely, and I had to ride it out.
since then, I haven't had tea again, but I did use cacao for a raw vegan recipe. My body also reacted more than usual. Now, instead of thinking of the flavor of cacao, when I look at my cacao, I just cringe. The irritation is more than the enjoyment. So then I got some carob and I am going to try that instead.
I give up on caffeine. I have and am trying to get my body and diet more pure. My body is responding whole heartedly.
FOr me, it's a two fold process, in my heart of hearts I want to be pure. My body has its own intelligence and is facilitating that for me. When my mind and habits want to do something that is bad for me, my body is negating that.

I sincerely never thought cacao was bad. I knew that chocolate was bad because they add sugar or a sweetener. But I always thought cacao was an innocent little bean that grew magically in a jungle twisting on trees next to exotic orchids carrying vanilla beans.
But my body thinks otherwise.

Please don't criticize someone's caffeine use, if they haven't changed their diet
But don't get me wrong. If Americans didn't have their coffee in the morning, they wouldn't have a bowel movement. NO bowel movements means early death, so I would never attack someone's coffee. Coffee is the western saving grace for a diet low in fiber. And green tea is the asian version of coffee with more antioxidants. Yerba Mate is the south american version, with an impressive mineral profile. Of all these drinks, I can tolerate Yerba Mate the most. Erowid has a discussion on why some people tolerate Mate more than green tea, but they still insist it has caffeine, which they call a psychoactive alkaloid.
[erowid.org]
Durianrider claims people can get off coffee by eating fruit in the morning, but that is not a fullproof approach for people with blood sugar problems. However, certainly it does work for a lot of people.

When the body steps in to protect us from ignorance
Lou once told a story of how after a 40 day water fast, he tried to eat some algae, either blue green, E3 live, chlorella or something like that. Every time he put it to his mouth, his hand and arm took it away. He tried it like 3 times, but his arm would not let him put it in his mouth.
I think the more pure we are or want to be, the more we give our body permission to intervene to raise our awareness of what we should and should not consume. I never had Lou's experience, but I have had some similar ones. It goes with our intention and the standard we set for ourselves.

Drug addictions
A client told me how he overcame his heroin addiction. He said he just hit rock bottom. He lost everything and became homeless. When they put him on methadone, it was worse for him. The road to recovery was a long one with baby steps.
People often quit their addictions when they hit rock bottom...when their health fails, when they are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

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kwan
There's a new thing shaking up the raw food community, and it's amazing: it's the raw vegan ketogenic diet. For some of us, it's the answer, the ideal, the thing we've been searching for. I have tons more energy and vitality eating this way than I had in my 25+ years as a high carb/lowfat raw vegan, I feel much better than I did on the low carb diet I tried for a few years, and after several months now of trying EVERY natural healing protocol I could find to heal the arthritis in my hips and knees (I'm 67), voila!, within 3 days of switching to raw vegan ketogenic the miracle was clearly happening. Every day I'm experiencing significantly less pain and more range of motion and flexibility. I KNOW that I will fully heal. There is no doubt. I'm so filled with joy and energy, and my body is detoxifying and rejuvenating in such a wonderful way that I don't need much sleep and I'm just buzzing all the time (in a good way).
I know this is a low fat/high carb raw vegan forum, so I won't be posting about this again or engaging in any debate about it. But someone asked the question, and I just wanted to share this avenue for exploration, in case it might help someone else. There are a few YouTube videos, a website, and at least a couple Facebook pages about it. Here's the one I tend to go to the most. I think it was started by Matt Monarch:
[www.facebook.com] Also this one:
[www.facebook.com]

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la_veronique
Sproutman


<<I had intentions of doing a ketogenic diet, but l knew quickly that it wouldn't work for me and l would be miserable, however l always stay on a ketogenic diet until about 6 pm each day....l eat in the morning and am satisfied all day without the need to eat until night time.>>

I'm kind of confused. You say that you would be miserable on ketogenic diet but then you do it every day til 6 PM? Did I miss something here?

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Also, what do you eat on a ketogenic diet? For the fats? Protein? Carbohydrate?

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My understanding is that the ratio is High fats, medium protein, low carbohydrates

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jtprindl
There's no doubt about it that there are MANY raw vegans out there who think they are in fantastic health simply because they are eating raw. The enthusiasm is great, but it's important be well educated about diet and nutrition to be able to sustain the diet in a healthy manner over the long-term.


what schools do the polar bears, lions, and koalas go to? or where do they get their education?


>>>>Eating 80/10/10 is going to severely restrict your amino acid and fatty acid intake, which along with minerals is what the human body is made of. We are made of fat, protein, and minerals... and following a high-carb diet is a good way to become deficient in all of those. All of these are crucial for cognitive functioning, which may explain why many raw foodists are very defensive, judgmental, and confrontational when discussing diet.


I look forward to the proof of the above, a proof that you have never been able to provide, and keep repeating without evidence

do we really need to revisit your own defensive, judgmental and confrontational posts that would apparently prove that the high fat, high protein raw diet causes it? enough of that nonsense.

>>>My diet is high-fat and high-protein these days. I get most of my protein my hemp seeds and chlorella/spirulina and use a raw vegan sprouted brown rice/pea protein powder on and off. Hemp seeds appear to be a very low anti-nutrient seed and my hair analysis appears to support this. My zinc and magnesium levels were very high (in the healthy range) and hemp seeds are extremely rich in both of these minerals. If anti-nutrients were a concern, these minerals should've been low, not only because of the anti-nutrients but also because they would've messed up my digestion even further hindering nutrient assimilation.