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kwan
Hello La Veronique!! THANK YOU! (How are you, friend?)
Your response broke the spell and opened my mind -- you are RIGHT. I shouldn't be so reticent to share my experience here; there are plenty of kindred spirits hungry (ha! -- literally!) for truth, in whatever form it will appear. But based on my past experience and mistakes here, I wanted to be careful not to go too far afield and alienate people. I realize, though, that ultimately we are all searching for the 'Holy Grail' of physical and spiritual nourishment. Always, we need to be asking: what is the ultimate purpose of our quest? Longevity? Well-being so that we can more easily pursue our spiritual quest? A path toward the ultimate goal of cosmic nourishment?
it has been, and I know it will CONTINUE TO BE, a wonderful and rewarding journey. and I will continue to check in here on the forum and share my experiences.
My 'raw' journey was so circuitous and fraught with twists and turns (despite almost 30 years of basically 'traditional' raw vegan). I knew I really WANTED to be raw vegan, but I had to find my own way. I can hardly believe that at my advanced age I am finally 'happy at last,' (lol!) and experiencing the 'paradaisical' state mentioned by Arnold Ehret in his books that I started reading and trying to follow in 1974. (Despite not following his advice to eat lots and lots of fruit.) What a long and strange journey. But it has been WORTH IT. :-))))))
Latest twist: Today I just acquired a new Breville juicer to replace my 'Juiceman' model, for free, no less! And I will be doing some low glycemic juices in the near future. I know that short water fasts and a continuation of the intermittent fasting that I've come to value so much, are also in my near future. (I haven't been doing IF lately, because we just MOVED to a new apt. in our building, and I felt more inclined to just go with the flow and eat whenever I felt I needed to while going through this process.)
But now I'm rambling...
I DO believe there is a future yet for the raw food movement. It just may need a slightly different slant.
LOVE AND BLESSINGS TO ALL.

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have you had any insights as to why what you call a high carb raw diet was causing you problems and not working for you and works for other people? what are the differences ?

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good post as usual rawpracticalist


prindl,
the website is not valid on the bottom of your post.


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There's no doubt about it that there are MANY raw vegans out there who think they are in fantastic health simply because they are eating raw. The enthusiasm is great, but it's important be well educated about diet and nutrition to be able to sustain the diet in a healthy manner over the long-term.


what schools do the polar bears, lions, and koalas go to? or where do they get their education?


>>>>Eating 80/10/10 is going to severely restrict your amino acid and fatty acid intake, which along with minerals is what the human body is made of. We are made of fat, protein, and minerals... and following a high-carb diet is a good way to become deficient in all of those. All of these are crucial for cognitive functioning, which may explain why many raw foodists are very defensive, judgmental, and confrontational when discussing diet.


I look forward to the proof of the above, a proof that you have never been able to provide, and keep repeating without evidence

do we really need to revisit your own defensive, judgmental and confrontational posts that would apparently prove that the high fat, high protein raw diet causes it? enough of that nonsense.

>>>My diet is high-fat and high-protein these days. I get most of my protein my hemp seeds and chlorella/spirulina and use a raw vegan sprouted brown rice/pea protein powder on and off. Hemp seeds appear to be a very low anti-nutrient seed and my hair analysis appears to support this. My zinc and magnesium levels were very high (in the healthy range) and hemp seeds are extremely rich in both of these minerals. If anti-nutrients were a concern, these minerals should've been low, not only because of the anti-nutrients but also because they would've messed up my digestion even further hindering nutrient assimilation.

your diet was always high fat and protein"


Yeah the domain recently expired and I haven't renewed it yet. For all of the pages, you just have add .webs to the link. For example, epiphanutrition.webs.com

www.phytopanacea.com

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jtprindl
>>>>Eating 80/10/10 is going to severely restrict your amino acid and fatty acid intake, which along with minerals is what the human body is made of. We are made of fat, protein, and minerals... and following a high-carb diet is a good way to become deficient in all of those.

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jtprindl
>>>>Eating 80/10/10 is going to severely restrict your amino acid and fatty acid intake, which along with minerals is what the human body is made of. We are made of fat, protein, and minerals... and following a high-carb diet is a good way to become deficient in all of those.

Chosing to be identified as proteins/fat/minerals is wrong. Life can be divided in two basic parts, components and energy. The components use energy. It is the energy that made sense of the components. It could be said that the energy stored in food (from the sun) is used by protein components. But equally true, it could be said that the energy uses the proteins to transform itself. Thus, how you identify yourself is an ideological choice but energy came first. No energy (sun) no protein (blocks of life).

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jtprindl
>>>>Eating 80/10/10 is going to severely restrict your amino acid and fatty acid intake, which along with minerals is what the human body is made of. We are made of fat, protein, and minerals... and following a high-carb diet is a good way to become deficient in all of those.

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Panchito
Okinawan (80/10/10) have proven very successful historically. They got all the nutrient levels (your claim) since they beat everybody else in life expectancy, dispelling all high carb diet fears that people that eat high fat rely on as arguments.

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OK. I'll explain my point. Eating excessive protein (blocks) is bad because it displaces carbs (energy). Converting protein to carbs is inefficient. Converting fat to energy does not work for the brain but it does for muscle. While the body is flexible, diets like the Okinawan (80/10/10) have proven very successful historically. They got all the nutrient levels (your claim) since they beat everybody else in life expectancy, dispelling all high carb diet fears that people that eat high fat rely on as arguments. Thus, it appears that a ratio of 80% energy to 10% blocks to 10% fat is healthy. Now, the 80% they ate was based mostly cooked (resistant starches, cooled potatoes, cool beans, etc), which make a difference in the glucose swings and lower fructose when compared to a fruit only diet.

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Addendum to what I said directly above:
Vegetable-fruits, however, like red pepper and tomato, cucumber and zucchini ( (I think it's a veg-fruit, right?) are my favorites. Absolutely CRAVE them, and they are low glycemic. But they're nothing like the hybridized super-sweet fruits I now avoid: mangoes, pineapple, bananas, etc.
Once in awhile I have a few berries (especially strawberries).
I really don't crave or miss them, so it's no big deal.

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okinawan diet 1950 1.5 percent animal foods
69% sweet potatoes,

giving lie to the myth that nutrition is so very difficult and deficiency results without eating superfoods etc