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John Rose
Hey Joe,

Your picture explains a lot!!!

If I was a gambling man, this is pretty much what I thought you would look like.

Everyone should be required to have a picture to post so we can put things in perspective.

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Panchito
he? This is taken from jtprindl website link: "how to _ significantly enhance cognitive functioning"

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jtprindl
But yes, going back to what NuNativs is saying... where are pictures of Panchito, fresh, RawPracticalist, etc.? Instead of bashing Cassar, show yourself!

says the guy/girl who doesn't show him/herself.

nothing wrong with my health, i don't have any interest in disseminating my photos on the internet as I have seen what happens to people as a result.

as for your absurd statement that you repeat ad nauseum about not getting those nutrients, they are available in regular fruits and veggies, just not in the amounts that you claim are necessary. no point to arguing that once again.

i was not bashing cassar, except to say that much of what he was saying in a video was nonsense, (as well as being a sales pitch for all kinds of nonsense supplements streaming on the bottom of the screen) for example, pouring fulvic acid (if i am recalling correctly) in some soaking nuts and the water immediately turned brown and then claiming it was the acidic fulvic acid having a chemical reaction or stripping the nuts as opposed to what was really happening which was the fulvic acid is brown, hence the water turned brown. i was 5 minutes into his video and he still hadn't finished talking about what he drank upon arising in the morning.

i think panchito may have been implying that he had aged more than expected, but perhaps so has doug graham. not that it matters, we're all just doing our best, trying to live an enjoyable life, which should be the focus.

[epiphanutrition.webs.com] (Me, picture taken this summer)



Fresh, I don't say these things about nutrients because I'm trying to act superior or more knowledgeable..

OK

. it's simply a fact that fruits don't contain certain nutrients.

Which is why I don't suggest all fruit. You are mixing messages. You make claims about a diet not having nutrients but you don't even know the person's diet that you are critiquing.

Now you are focusing on fruit but nobody here has a diet of just fruit. Even if you're saying supp s or super foods necessary it's not proven but nothing wrong with you sharing your message. Although evidence would be more convincing .

There's more to it than adding in fruits and veggies to CRON-O-Meter and having it say 100%+. You have to account for the fact that non-heme iron has a low bio-availability,

I think you make the mistake of many by implying low bio-availability means a certain diet is deficient.


environmental chemicals that attack the thyroid and deplete it of iodine on top of iodine being depleted in soils already, etc. Zinc, ALA, selenium, and protein simply just aren't in high quantities in fruits.

Yes there are certainly concerns, and I understand why you do what you do and glad you're healthy, and so far so am I after 30 years nearly all raw vegan but not 100%.

Thank you for sharing.

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Comparing humanity thousands of years ago to today is ridiculous. First, back then you ate ANYTHING to survive....

It's great that you listen to your body, but that doesn't mean your diet isn't falling short of various nutrients.

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Yes,DHA is an extremely important nutrient and studies are now showing it's high importance in the diet.And one thing that is concluded is that animal products for EPA/DHA is not always reliable because apparent oxidisation of the fats make the studies on EPA show contrasting results....sometimes animal products high in EPA helps and other times it has no effect.

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RawPracticalist
Too complicated.

Let's keep it simple.

A = A

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jtprindl
"low omega 6 has been shown to be better with respect to inflammation
and omega 3 on an extremely basic diet of bananas and romaine gives 2g
with omega 6 of 1.4 which much lower than "recommended", is in line with the ratio"

No that doesn't make sense, but who is "they"?

>>>>many sources recommend 17g for example
[www.nutri-facts.org]
it's the Adequate Intake that I was referring to.
very confusing for anyone who tries to match that level when other sources say much lower

"conversion to dha is another issue and as already discussed here, vegans conversion ratio is higher, and was shown to provide same levels in the body."

Yes but it's not conclusive and it's very possible that some of the vegans supplemented or ate EPA/DHA enhanced foods (basically another form of supplementation). Also, we have no idea what their ALA intake level was, so while vegans may have higher conversion rates... at what dosage of ALA would it take to achieve similar DHA levels as fish eaters? On average, were they consuming 5, 10, 15, etc. grams of ALA?

>>>>>certainly good questions. again, symptoms, while not perfect, can be a guide.


""Although ALA is considered the essential omega-3 fatty acid because it cannot be synthesized by humans, evidence that human conversion of EPA and, particularly, DHA is relatively inefficient suggests that EPA and DHA may be considered conditionally essential nutrients."
[lpi.oregonstate.edu]"

You may not need DHA to survive, you can get by without it, but brain function will suffer.

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The body intuitively knows what it needs if we do not corrupt it.

The body only needs the fundamental building blocks and it will do the rest.

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The fundamental building blocks are nutrients.

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"right, and either you are healthy and your body creates enough dha (or you take in enough) or it does not."

Again, there's no evidence to support the notion that a "healthy" person is going to always create optimal levels of DHA. And what defines "healthy"?

"not much is needed, apparently."

Not much is needed FOR WHAT? Not dying?


My comment about not much is needed was in reference to those who say conversion rates are low when it does matter how low the conversion rate is only that there is enough. Just saying conversion is low is meaningless.
And no the low amounts needed are to enable the body to run properly. Has nothing to do with "not dying".

"There are of course other issues such as assimilation rate and DHA at cetera but based on the basic recommendations for Omega 3 & 6 they are met extremely easy on the most simple diet potentially"

Yes and they are key issues. No one is saying it's hard to get enough ALA on basic fruit and veggie diet. ALA isn't the operative omega-3 here.

Plenty of people say that it is hard. The other fats generated follow from the ingestion of the recommended amounts taken in by the primary fats.

"People are constantly saying that you need to eat nuts or algae or seaweed or whatever but as I have just shown above that's not even necessary we're always searching for the foods that are highest in certain nutrients but that is a foolish way to design a diet"

It's foolish to seek out the highest amount of nutrition in a world where almost everything is depleting our nutrient levels? I think it's foolish to follow a diet that is low in many nutrients, especially given the fact that there are lots of things that reduce our levels of nutrients, and then just telling yourself that you don't need them or the body will magically create them.

I understand you feel that way. I'm saying there are negative s associated with seeking out foods that are high in x especially if it's not established that there's a deficiency. That doesn't seem to stop you from repeatedly telling others "where do you get x" without any evidence that they cannot do so.

As I have said many times this is what drives people to animal foods and dehydrated foods.Plus excess is damaging.


More is not always better, but that's not the point anyways. Being a proponent of avoiding deficiencies isn't the same as saying more is better.

So both of us can live in harmony with you trying to avoid deficiency and me trying to avoid excess.

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"And no the low amounts needed are to enable the body to run properly."

Or maybe it's because humans have an extensive history of eating fish which provides a lot of DHA so it has adjusted accordingly to not exert much energy converting ALA into DHA because we had been getting it externally for a long time.

Possibly

"That doesn't seem to stop you from repeatedly telling others "where do you get x" without any evidence that they cannot do so."

I'm not trying to prove they can't do it, I'm asking them personally where do they get certain nutrients. All it takes is knowing the foods you're eating and having an awareness of their nutrition.

When you ask that question you're implying that they cannot get those nutrients

When was the last time you heard about someone dying or suffering from having too many nutrients in their diet? Maybe from supplements, but not diet. Not saying it can't happen, but probably pretty rare.

It's simple logic that excess causes a decrease in energy due to the necessity of processing it and eliminating it

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One more time just to show how easy this is....


People are constantly saying that you need to eat nuts or algae or seaweed or whatever but as I have just shown above that's not even necessary we're always searching for the foods that are highest in certain nutrients but that is a foolish way to design a diet