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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 10:14AM

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Your home as microcosm -

Would you let all and sundry who want to come into your beautiful home come in and live there? No locks, all are welcome. Could you and your house support them all? Would you provide for them forever? Would you not mind if they stole your valuables and money, trashed your house? After you watch some of the violent ones rape and murder your wife and children, would you still be happy to let them stay in your house to prey on vulnerable others? Even when your home is wall-to-wall with people, poverty, filth, disease, crime and terror, your door is always open for whoever wants to come and live there? You would feel no sovereignty - no loyalty to your family, no need to protect you and yours?



Wait isn't that what the de-ranged WHITE Euro's did to the Native American...?


So what.

Yeah, it's 'natural'. Probably the cavemen exhibited the same characteristics. It's called human nature - to protect you and yours.

And what's with the "WHITE" - are you a self-hating white person? 'White people are bad'!

Boo!

Ya, white skin is a sign of dis-ease and walking Death. That forceful migration is pretty much responsible with covering OUR planet with McDonalds ensuring WE derange the future generations. They came across fueled on meat, refined flour, sugar and of course endless supplies of booze.

"Perhaps in an entirely healthy condition the so-called mucus
membrane should not at all be white, slimy, but clean and red like on animals. Perhaps this “corpse-mucus” is even the cause of the paleness of the white race? Paleface!
Corpsecolor!

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: March 22, 2017 01:43PM

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Jennifer
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NuNativs

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Jennifer
Your home as microcosm -

Would you let all and sundry who want to come into your beautiful home come in and live there? No locks, all are welcome. Could you and your house support them all? Would you provide for them forever? Would you not mind if they stole your valuables and money, trashed your house? After you watch some of the violent ones rape and murder your wife and children, would you still be happy to let them stay in your house to prey on vulnerable others? Even when your home is wall-to-wall with people, poverty, filth, disease, crime and terror, your door is always open for whoever wants to come and live there? You would feel no sovereignty - no loyalty to your family, no need to protect you and yours?



Wait isn't that what the de-ranged WHITE Euro's did to the Native American...?


So what.

Yeah, it's 'natural'. Probably the cavemen exhibited the same characteristics. It's called human nature - to protect you and yours.

And what's with the "WHITE" - are you a self-hating white person? 'White people are bad'!

Boo!

Ya, white skin is a sign of dis-ease and walking Death. That forceful migration is pretty much responsible with covering OUR planet with McDonalds ensuring WE derange the future generations. They came across fueled on meat, refined flour, sugar and of course endless supplies of booze.

"Perhaps in an entirely healthy condition the so-called mucus
membrane should not at all be white, slimy, but clean and red like on animals. Perhaps this “corpse-mucus” is even the cause of the paleness of the white race? Paleface!
Corpsecolor!


Sounds pretty racist.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 02:57PM

No, sounds like people who have "adapted" to "living" in the North and to being indoors out of the Streams of Life...

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: March 22, 2017 03:53PM

"No, sounds like people who have "adapted" to "living" in the North and to being indoors out of the Streams of Life..."

Seven billion people wouldn't fit in the tropics.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: March 22, 2017 04:17PM

NuNativs,

The fact of the matter is, this idea that you promote of a food/fruit forest across the world is nothing more than a pipe dream. It has absolutely no basis in reality. It sounds good on paper, but it's not even remotely close to being feasible. It's like a politician claiming to have this fantastic idea that will solve all of the world's problems but having no plan or structure on how it will actually work.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: March 22, 2017 05:04PM

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Could you and your house support them all? Would you provide for them forever? Would you not mind if they stole your valuables and money,

....No I cant take 20 or more peoples but I can absorb some ...


Exactly!

You are kind and generous. BUT you are reasonable and discerning - like America - so you have boundaries and limitations. You know you can't take in and support all who would come now and for years and years to live in your wonderful home - especially the dangerous violent ones.

And I assume if the vet who lives in your home raped and killed your child, you would make him leave.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 08:31PM

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jtprindl
"No, sounds like people who have "adapted" to "living" in the North and to being indoors out of the Streams of Life..."

Seven billion people wouldn't fit in the tropics.

Seven billion people can fit into the state of Texas or Australia or New Zealand with an acre or two a piece. Of course WE don't want to do that, WE want to spread out, but the majority migrates with the seasons in the North.

J Rose is right, WE Live on an abundant planet, though OUR imagination is bankrupt...



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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 08:34PM

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NuNativs,

The fact of the matter is, this idea that you promote of a food/fruit forest across the world is nothing more than a pipe dream. It has absolutely no basis in reality. It sounds good on paper, but it's not even remotely close to being feasible. It's like a politician claiming to have this fantastic idea that will solve all of the world's problems but having no plan or structure on how it will actually work.

WE can't go to Paradise, until WE ALL go to Paradise. Till then it remains a pipe dream till WE hit 1/10th of critical mass or the hundredth monkey factor...

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 08:38PM

The real question is HOW LONG do WE want to wait?

Ehert:
"We start the resurrection of man by reconstructing the Paradise, planting fruit trees, vineyards and gardens--as our new residence."

"God’s "heaven on earth" was originally in Paradise, the garden of Eden; which literally means that man’s living, man’s eating, man’s happiness, man’s living, man’s absolute health, has existed and can again only exist under "fruit bearing trees". The promised resurrection as a God-like being is based on divine laws of reality of life and not on abstract ideas and miracles."

"Without vision the people perish..."

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: March 22, 2017 10:14PM

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NuNativs
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jtprindl
"No, sounds like people who have "adapted" to "living" in the North and to being indoors out of the Streams of Life..."

Seven billion people wouldn't fit in the tropics.

Seven billion people can fit into the state of Texas or Australia or New Zealand with an acre or two a piece. Of course WE don't want to do that, WE want to spread out, but the majority migrates with the seasons in the North.

J Rose is right, WE Live on an abundant planet, though OUR imagination is bankrupt...


No, that's completely false. Your math is way off.

Texas has 171,902,080 acres. Divided by 7 billion is 0.024 acres per person.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 22, 2017 11:07PM

Ya thats a myth but still:
According to the U.N. Population Database, the world's population in 2010 will be 6,908,688,000. The landmass of Texas is 268,820 sq mi (7,494,271,488,000 sq ft).

So, divide 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft by 6,908,688,000 people, and you get 1084.76 sq ft/person. That's approximately a 33' x 33' plot of land for every person on the planet, enough space for a town house.

Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard -- and all of them fit on a landmass the size of Texas. Admittedly, it'd basically be one massive subdivision, but Texas is a tiny portion of the inhabitable Earth.

Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.

(And tons of space for Food Forests).

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: March 22, 2017 11:18PM

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NuNativs
Ya thats a myth but still:
According to the U.N. Population Database, the world's population in 2010 will be 6,908,688,000. The landmass of Texas is 268,820 sq mi (7,494,271,488,000 sq ft).

So, divide 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft by 6,908,688,000 people, and you get 1084.76 sq ft/person. That's approximately a 33' x 33' plot of land for every person on the planet, enough space for a town house.

Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard -- and all of them fit on a landmass the size of Texas. Admittedly, it'd basically be one massive subdivision, but Texas is a tiny portion of the inhabitable Earth.

Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.

(And tons of space for Food Forests).

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: March 23, 2017 09:24AM

Quote Ghandi- there is enough to meet mans need but not his greed.
Ive heard its said that all seven plus billion people on this earth could fit within Dade county FLA. If our stock market and international market banks have wrecked a country,, should the door then be open? And we have wrecked countrys, IMF Wall Street Need an example?

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: March 23, 2017 10:33AM

>Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard

That will not be enough land to meet the needs of the stars in Hollywood.

Tiger Woods needs more space for a golf course, Jay Lenno more for his hundreds of cars in his collection.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 23, 2017 11:34AM

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>Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard

That will not be enough land to meet the needs of the stars in Hollywood.

Tiger Woods needs more space for a golf course, Jay Lenno more for his hundreds of cars in his collection.

And THERE is the crux of the problem! WE need to be united on OUR desire for health and nature immersion, then OUR needs will level out. I'm not saying to go caveman mind you.

As it stands now, with desires out of control, I always say that every persons "needs" need to be multiplied by 7,000,000,000+. Jay Leno's "lifestyle"? Game over...

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: NuNativs ()
Date: March 23, 2017 11:52AM

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NuNativs
Ya thats a myth but still:
According to the U.N. Population Database, the world's population in 2010 will be 6,908,688,000. The landmass of Texas is 268,820 sq mi (7,494,271,488,000 sq ft).

So, divide 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft by 6,908,688,000 people, and you get 1084.76 sq ft/person. That's approximately a 33' x 33' plot of land for every person on the planet, enough space for a town house.

Given an average four person family, every family would have a 66' x 66' plot of land, which would comfortably provide a single family home and yard -- and all of them fit on a landmass the size of Texas. Admittedly, it'd basically be one massive subdivision, but Texas is a tiny portion of the inhabitable Earth.

Such an arrangement would leave the entire rest of the world vacant. There's plenty of space for humanity.

(And tons of space for Food Forests).

[ingles.homeunix.net]

Of course there is more to the equation, but the fact remains there is a ton of space. For instance, WE don't need all the plumbing he claims. Start by everyone "downsizing" to RV's. Noone "owns" land, water, it is all shared space. Look, now there is a mass surplus of building materials from all that wasted indoor space WE no longer need (skyscrapers ha!).

Couple that with transforming cities into Jacques Fresco planning/brainstorming/manufacturing/recycling zones. Automate and use robotics for most manual labor. Get rid of 90% of the roadways as WE aren't living in sub divisions and concentrated to city cages. WE begin the transformation of the landscape into one big national park with nature as the funhouse.

With OUR "free time", WE immerse in leisure and Food Forest construction starting around OUR camping/Living areas. At each park/camp, WE build Earthship style clubhouse gathering/meeting buildings, with the front facing greenhouse supplying 10's of thousands of seedlings and cuttings per year which the tribe plants into the surrounding landscape.

Each camp/park becomes a beautiful Oasis that becomes a Living space/grocery store/health resort. Over the years WE develop one healing Oasis after another until WE co-create Paradise Earth....

(OR, WE can argue about Hitler.)

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: March 23, 2017 01:02PM

It is the value system that is the problem.
Most of us put too much value in non essential things.

Bobby Knight who was coach of Indiana Blue Demons was asked why college basket ball coach makes millions per year in salary while a science professor at the same university makes about 50000 dollars a year. His answer was that a college basket ball game will be watched by thousands of cheering fans while a team of scientists doing scientific work draws no interest from the public.

People needs the scientific discoveries but not directly willing to pay for them.



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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: Jennifer ()
Date: March 23, 2017 02:18PM

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... the fact remains there is a ton of space...... Start by everyone "downsizing" to RV's.

Ooh, sounds horrible. Cramped up in a tiny trailer with other people, and then half the time traveling on the road with the nasty smells of vehicles that make me feel carsick.

If my RV could be big - like maybe 2500 square feet, depending on how many people are living with me. And my home would have to be very far away from everyone else - so I can't hear them or see them or smell them. And no way do I want to hear the sound of vehicles anywhere near me. I have my standards.

Instead of living stingily and miserly (cramped up in a tiny space with other people on top of each other), why can't we live in luxury and abundance as long as we don't harm other people and abuse mother earth - like live sustainably, plant trees to make wood for houses, furniture, etc., use natural materials, no chemicals...whatever. Live ecologically, but we can still live in comfort and beauty.

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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: March 23, 2017 07:43PM

quote Jennifer, why can't we live in luxury and abundance as long as we don't harm other people and abuse mother earth - like live sustainably, plant trees to make wood for houses, furniture, etc., use natural materials, no chemicals...whatever. Live ecologically, but we can still live in comfort and beauty.

My words Jennifer, Because you have a carbon footprint Plant trees to make wood- times 7 billion, Hardwood is habitat! you are harming other life forms right off the bat on that note You can make a tree farm that will fail in the end, but you canot plant a forrest. If you are going to plant trees can you do that without burning fuel? 2500 square for per person times 7 billoin you might step on something live with that much space being consumed.
The planet can meet mans needs but not his greed Quote Ghandi.

Cant remember name of author but the book title is Small is beautiful, We all are overkill on the way we are livng,carbon footprint the proof is in front of us on a dying planet. Top soil, How long does it take to regenerate? do you think we can just plant replant with out building depleted soils? Consuming hardwoods is just plan bad, no way to do that without a heavey carbon track.
Can we live in luxury? I think so as long as we are willing to change the way most of us live now, other wise its a dead planet.



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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: March 25, 2017 08:53PM

Interesting discussion.

Nunativs wrote:
Get rid of 90% of the roadways as WE aren't living in sub divisions and concentrated to city cages. WE begin the transformation of the landscape into one big national park with nature as the funhouse.

Tai:
Why would you get rid of the roadways? Roads make driving possible and fast, otherwise, you would go 10 miles an hour on a bumpy dirt road.
I like the idea of food forests. It's a great idea. We have fruit trees in our front yard and many people and animals take the fruit.
Have you watched Jake Mace on youtube. It's amazing how many regular and tropical fruit trees he has growing on his third of an acre yard in a very difficult climate in Arizona. He created a micro climate around his pond.
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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: riverhousebill ()
Date: March 25, 2017 11:32PM

Tai, Arizonas water is stolen water! same for LA and many citys in southwest Jakes garden has a great price tag that needs to be considerd if its a substainable plan. I also think food forrest is a great idea, but all cost need to counted. Its sad what has happened to the Colorado river and many others.
There are solutions- water extraction from air, We now have a record level of mosture in our airs. But The damming and diverting of our rivers is not the the way! Tai, I will post on what I think is a soultion to water crisis world wide.
Water Generation! water, generators-extracted from our air,
Stolen water with an envirmentel price tag must be in the math.
Our The carbon foot print covers a lot of ground.



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Re: What’s Wrong with a Raw Vegan Diet?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: April 12, 2017 11:31PM

Riverhousebill:
Arizonas water is stolen water! same for LA and many citys in southwest Jakes garden has a great price tag that needs to be considerd if its a substainable plan.

Tai
If you watch how Jake built his garden, he catches the rain water and stores it in elaborate systems in his garden. He dug underground tunnels for water. It's rather clever. Of course, he does use the city water for some water, but he at least uses all the rain water possible.
[www.youtube.com]

There was one garden in Arizona that only used rainwater.
[www.youtube.com]

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water feature uses rainwater half the year:
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