Fresh
I don't know what you're taking away from that

Tai
The video explores why Italy and Iran, both thousands of miles away from China, are the two most affected countries outside mainland China. Did you see the part where Italy allowed CCP police officers from China to roam their streets?

Big difference between South Korea and Taiwan. Both are geographically close to China, but one now has nearly 8700 cases, while the other has about 67 cases and only one death.

Fear of China Made Taiwan a Coronavirus Success Story
[foreignpolicy.com]

Half the World Worries About Italy Getting in Bed With China
By John Follain and Helene Fouquet
March 21, 2019
[www.bloomberg.com]

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Now Spain is getting hit hard with CV

[www.csis.org]
October 15, 2019
In 2009, then-Chinese prime minister Wen Jiabao called Spain “the best friend of China in Europe.” Spain was the first EU country to have a foreign minister visit Beijing after the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and later sought to lift the EU arms embargo against China.



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Fresh
I don't know what you're taking away from that

Tai
The video explores why Italy and Iran, both thousands of miles away from China, are the two most affected countries outside mainland China. Did you see the part where Italy allowed CCP police officers from China to roam their streets?

Big difference between South Korea and Taiwan. Both are geographically close to China, but one now has nearly 8700 cases, while the other has about 67 cases and only one death.

Fear of China Made Taiwan a Coronavirus Success Story
[foreignpolicy.com]

yes I watched the whole thing

you're still not saying what you're taking away from it I already said what I took away from it

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RawPracticalist
This seems to me to be the best explanation of the spread of the virus.
These viruses have always existed, it is the environment, the terrain, that has changed. In their natural environment, they are not viruses.

Bats are not to blame for coronavirus. Humans are

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Bats are the only mammal that can fly, allowing them to spread in large numbers from one community over a wide area, scientists say. This means they can harbor a large number of pathogens, or diseases. Flying also requires a tremendous amount of activity for bats, which has caused their immune systems to become very specialized.

"When they fly they have a peak body temperature that mimics a fever," said Andrew Cunningham, Professor of Wildlife Epidemiology at the Zoological Society of London. "It happens at least twice a day with bats -- when they fly out to feed and then they return to roost. And so the pathogens that have evolved in bats have evolved to withstand these peaks of body temperature."
Cunningham said this poses a potential problem when these diseases cross into another species. In humans, for example, a fever is a defense mechanism designed to raise the body temperature to kill a virus. A virus that has evolved in a bat will probably not be affected by a higher body temperature, he warned.

The coronavirus is perhaps humanity's first clear, indisputable sign that environmental damage can kill humans fast too. And it can also happen again, for the same reasons.

"There are tens of thousands [of viruses] waiting to be discovered," Cunningham said. "What we really need to do is understand where the critical control points are for zoonotic spillover from wildlife are, and to stop it happening at those places. That will be the most cost-effective way to protect humans."

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Nope.

Nice try

There's no virus

All that is required for a fake epidemic is

Already sick people
poison drugs and
a fake test. End of story

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Nope.

Nice try

There's no virus

All that is required for a fake epidemic is

Already sick people
poison drugs and
a fake test. End of story

You probably do not wash your hands and the food you eat, everything that falls on it is beneficial.

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A virus is a small infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism. Viruses can infect all types of life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea.[1]

Since Dmitri Ivanovsky's 1892 article describing a non-bacterial pathogen infecting tobacco plants, and the discovery of the tobacco mosaic virus by Martinus Beijerinck in 1898,[2] about 5,000 virus species have been described in detail,[3] of the millions of types of viruses in the environment.[4] Viruses are found in almost every ecosystem on Earth and are the most numerous type of biological entity.[5][6] The study of viruses is known as virology, a sub-speciality of microbiology.


Examples of common human diseases caused by viruses include the common cold, influenza, chickenpox, and cold sores. Many serious diseases such as rabies, Ebola virus disease, AIDS (HIV), avian influenza, and SARS are caused by viruses. The relative ability of viruses to cause disease is described in terms of virulence. Other diseases are under investigation to discover if they have a virus as the causative agent, such as the possible connection between human herpesvirus 6 (HHV6) and neurological diseases such as multiple sclerosis and chronic fatigue syndrome.[151] There is controversy over whether the bornavirus, previously thought to cause neurological diseases in horses, could be responsible for psychiatric illnesses in humans.[152]

[en.wikipedia.org]

Tobacco curly shoot virus C3 protein enhances viral replication and gene expression in Nicotiana benthamiana plants
[www.sciencedirect.com]


Genetic Characterization of Mumps Viruses Associated with the Resurgence of Mumps in the United States: 2015–2017
[www.sciencedirect.com]

[swprs.org]
A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19

Published: March 14, 2020; Updated: March 21, 2020; Languages: EN, DE

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment.

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.

(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)

The doctor also points out the following aspects:

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which has already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients.

The approximately twelve test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of 80 years and a maximum age of 90 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.

Furthermore, according to a first Chinese study, the internationally used virus test kits may give a false positive result in some cases. In these cases, the persons may not have contracted the new coronavirus, but presumably one of the many existing human coronaviruses that are part of the annual (and currently ongoing) common cold and flu epidemics. (1)

Thus the most important indicator for judging the danger of the disease is not the frequently reported number of positively-tested persons and deaths, but the number of persons actually and unexpectedly developing or dying from pneumonia (so-called excess mortality).

According to all current data, for the healthy general population of school and working age, a mild to moderate course of the Covid-19 disease can be expected. Senior citizens and persons with existing chronic diseases should be protected. The medical capacities should be optimally prepared.
Medical literature

(1) Zhuang et al., Potential false-positive rate among the ‚asymptomatic infected individuals‘ in close contacts of COVID-19 patients, Chinese Medical Association Publishing House, March 2020.

(2) Grasselli et al., Critical Care Utilization for the COVID-19 Outbreak in Lombardy, JAMA, March 2020.

(3) WHO, Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019, February 2020.
Reference values

Important reference values include the number of annual flu deaths, which is up to 8,000 in Italy and up to 60,000 in the US; normal overall mortality, which in Italy is up to 2,000 deaths per day; and the average number of pneumonia cases per year, which in Italy is over 120,000.

Current all-cause mortality in Europe and in Italy is still normal or even below-average. Any excess mortality due to Covid-19 should become visible in the European monitoring charts.
Winter smog (NO2) in Northern Italy in February 2020 (ESA)
Updates

March 17, 2020 (I)

According to press reports, some Swiss emergency units are already overloaded simply because of the large number of people who want to be tested. This points to an additional psychological and logistical component of the current situation.
The mortality profile remains puzzling from a virological point of view because, in contrast to influenza viruses, children are spared and men are affected about twice as often as women. On the other hand, this profile corresponds to natural mortality, which is close to zero for children and almost twice as high for 75-year-old men as for women of the same age.
The younger test-positive deceased almost always had severe pre-existing conditions. For example, a 21-year-old Spanish soccer coach had died test-positive, making international headlines. However, the doctors diagnosed an unrecognized leukemia, whose typical complications include severe pneumonia.
The decisive factor in assessing the danger of the disease is therefore not the number of test-positive persons and deceased, which is often mentioned in the media, but the number of people actually and unexpectedly developing or dying from pneumonia (so-called excess mortality). So far, this value remains very low in most countries.
According to official figures, there are currently about 1850 test-positive patients in intensive care in Italy, most of them in northern Italy. There is no official data on the age and disease profile of these patients. The occupancy rate of the North Italian ICUs in the winter months is typically already 85 to 90%. Some or many of these existing patients could also be test-positive by now. However, the number of additional unexpected pneumonia cases is not yet known.

March 17, 2020 (II)

Italian immunology professor Sergio Romagnani from the University of Florence comes to the conclusion in a study on 3000 people that 50 to 75% of the test-positive people of all ages remain completely symptom-free – significantly more than previously assumed.
A hospital doctor in the Spanish city of Malaga writes on Twitter that people are currently more likely to die from panic and systemic collapse than from the virus. The hospital is being overrun by people with colds, flu and possibly Covid19 and doctors have lost control.

March 18, 2020

A new epidemiological study (preprint) concludes that the mortality of Covid19 even in the Chinese city of Wuhan was only 0.04% to 0.12% and thus rather lower than that of seasonal flu, which has a mortality rate of about 0.1%. As a reason for the overestimated mortality of Covid19, the researchers suspect that initially only a small number of cases were recorded in Wuhan, as the disease was probably asymptomatic or mild in many people.
Chinese researchers argue that extreme winter smog in the city of Wuhan may have played a causal role in the outbreak of pneumonia. In the summer of 2019, public protests were already taking place in Wuhan because of the poor air quality.
New satellite images show how Northern Italy has the highest levels of air pollution in Europe, and how this air pollution has been greatly reduced by the quarantine.
A manufacturer of the Covid19 test kit states that it should only be used for research purposes and not for diagnostic applications, as it has not yet been clinically validated.

March 19, 2020 (I)

The Italian National Health Institute ISS has published a new report on test-positive deaths:

The median age is 80.5 years (79.5 for men, 83.7 for women).
10% of the deceased was over 90 years old; 90% of the deceased was over 70 years old.
At most 0.8% of the deceased had no pre-existing chronic illnesses.
Approximately 75% of the deceased had two or more pre-existing conditions, 50% had three more pre-existing conditions, in particular heart disease, diabetes and cancer.
Five of the deceased were between 31 and 39 years old, all of them with serious pre-existing health conditions (e.g. cancer or heart disease).
The National Health Institute hasn’t yet determined what the patients examined ultimately died of and refers to them in general terms as Covid19-positive deaths.

March 19, 2020 (II)

A report in the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera points out that Italian intensive care units already collapsed under the marked flu wave in 2017/2018. They had to postpone operations, call nurses back from holiday and ran out of blood donations.
German virologist Hendrik Streeck argues that Covid19 is unlikely to increase total mortality in Germany, which normally is around 2500 people per day. Streeck mentions the case of a 78-year-old man with preconditions who died of heart failure, subsequently tested positive for Covid19 and thus was included in the statistics of Covid19 deaths.
According to Stanford Professor John Ioannidis, the new coronavirus may be no more dangerous than some of the common coronaviruses, even in older people. Ioannidis argues that there is no reliable medical data backing the measures currently decided upon.

March 20, 2020

According to the latest European monitoring report, overall mortality in all countries (including Italy) and in all age groups remains within or even below the normal range so far.
According to the latest German statistics, the median age of test-positive deaths is about 83 years, most with pre-existing health conditions that might be a possible cause of death.
A 2006 Canadian study referred to by Stanford Professor John Ioannidis found that common cold coronaviruses may also cause death rates of up to 6% in risk groups such as residents of a care facility, and that virus test kits initially falsely indicated an infection with SARS coronaviruses.

March 21, 2020 (I)

Spain reports only three test-positive deaths under the age of 65 (out of a total of about 1000). Their pre-existing health conditions and actual cause of death are not yet known.
On March 20, Italy reported 627 nationwide test-positive deaths in one day. By comparison, normal overall mortality in Italy is about 1800 deaths per day. Since February 21, Italy has reported about 4000 test-positive deaths. Normal overall mortality during this time frame is up to 50,000 deaths. It is not yet known to what extent overall mortality has increased, and to what extent normal overall mortality has turned test-positive. Moreover, Italy and Europe have had a very mild flu season in 2019/2020 that has spared many otherwise vulnerable people.
According to Italian news reports, 90% of test-positive deceased in the Lombardy region have died outside of intensive care units, mostly at home or in general care sections. Their cause of death and the possible role of quarantine measures remain unknown. Only 260 out of 2168 test-positive persons have died in ICUs.
Bloomberg highlights that „99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says“

March 21, 2020 (II)

The Japan Times asks: Japan was expecting a coronavirus explosion. Where is it? Despite being one of the first countries getting positive test results and having imposed no lockdown, Japan is one of the least-affected nations. Quote: „Even if Japan may not be counting all those infected, hospitals aren’t being stretched thin and there has been no spike in pneumonia cases.“
Italian researchers argue that the extreme smog in Northern Italy, the worst in Europe, may be playing a causative role in the current pneumonia outbreak there, as in Wuhan before.

See also

On Corona, the Media, and Propaganda

I don't know if This was posted yet


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Fresh
you're still not saying what you're taking away from it

Tai
I will tell you later.

Right now the media is reporting the Italy has the highest number of deaths. That is only because China has hidden the true numbers of CV deaths.

[www.youtube.com]
On February 4th, NTD’s undercover investigator talked with executives from some of Wuhan’s biggest funeral homes. The conversations show a simple yet heart-wrenching fact: The math simply doesn’t add up. The number of bodies being cremated just doesn’t match the government’s figure, by a large margin.

How many people have died since the coronavirus outbreak in China began, really?

“The amount of bodies we transport and cremate are four to five times as usual.”

In that one funeral home on one day, they cremated 127 bodies, 8 were confirmed pneumonia, and 48 were suspected of having CV

Ah yes the media.

99% lies/propaganda

Except when the Italian minister of health put out report saying 2 of 100 of the people he had files on died due to virus
And not sure on those 2 either.

So zero virus deaths

Even if you don't want to believe in a virus, something is causing high numbers of deaths. There are so many bodies, they have to store them in churches. This is not business as usual.

[www.nbcnews.com]

The hospital has run out of space to store bodies and has been forced to keep them in a nearby church.

Comparing the outbreak to a “war,” she said: “We are here 12 hours a day. Only we are going home for a few hours and come back here for the work because we are here for the patients.”

As they struggled to cope with a huge number of patients, doctors said they are trying to dispel the myth that only the elderly are dying from coronavirus related illnesses.

"Fifty percent of our patients in the intensive care unit, which are the most severe patients, are over 65 years old," Dr. Antonio Pensenti, the head of the intensive-care crisis unit in the northern region of Lombardy, on Saturday. "But that means that the other 50 percent of our patients are younger than 65.”

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Tai
Even if you don't want to believe in a virus, something is causing high numbers of deaths. There are so many bodies, they have to store them in churches. This is not business as usual.

[www.nbcnews.com]

The hospital has run out of space to store bodies and has been forced to keep them in a nearby church.

Comparing the outbreak to a “war,” she said: “We are here 12 hours a day. Only we are going home for a few hours and come back here for the work because we are here for the patients.”

As they struggled to cope with a huge number of patients, doctors said they are trying to dispel the myth that only the elderly are dying from coronavirus related illnesses.

"Fifty percent of our patients in the intensive care unit, which are the most severe patients, are over 65 years old," Dr. Antonio Pensenti, the head of the intensive-care crisis unit in the northern region of Lombardy, on Saturday. "But that means that the other 50 percent of our patients are younger than 65.”

1. The media is complicit. Is lying
I have no reason to believe the case numbers or the report above.
The media is owned by the perpetrator of this psyop. The u.s. in particular is committing economic warfare on Italy and China because they were trying to break away from u.s control. and spreading propaganda about it.

2. People are dying I guarantee you at lower numbers than reported.
However People are dying
A. Due to other underlying health problems.
B. Due to being treated with poisons after falsely diagnosed
C. Due to isolation and fear
D. Due to pollution including possibly 5g
E. Due to diet

No virus is necessary to explain this

The test yields 70 percent false positives in one study I saw

Even a 1 percent false positive test will FALSELY DIAGNOSE
100000 people out of a population of 10000000.

And like you even said they are not even using a test many times.
So telling people you have a deadly disease plus treating them is doing the killing



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This woman is a raw vegan medical doctor who is a pathologist.
[www.youtube.com]

In this livestream, she just said she thinks she got the virus in January but she said she quickly recovered. She said all you can do is increase immunity and health, and even explore spirituality like God or buddha. If this was just a psyop for vaccines why would she suggest to turn to God? When a pathologist tells you to explore God, this is serious.
[www.youtube.com]



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Tai
This woman is a raw vegan medical doctor who is a pathologist.
[www.youtube.com]

In this livestream, she just said she thinks she got the virus in January but she said she quickly recovered. She said all you can do is increase immunity and health, and even explore spirituality like God or buddha. If this was just a psyop for vaccines why would she suggest to turn to God?
[www.youtube.com]

because not one human being has provided any evidence that any other human being has been made sick or dead because of a so-called coronavirus 19 that has not even been identified properly.

evidence is several objective coroner's reporting on cause of death

it's not news reports and it's not I think I got the virus and it's not a bogus test why is it so hard to understand???

There are countless different cell fragments bacteria viruses in sick bodies.

ALL The CDC virus hunters did was examine a body
Identify an allegedly new virus
GIVE IT A NEW NAME
And there's your epidemic.
THEY DO NOT PROVE IT CAUSES DISEASE. THEY ASSUME

THEY DO NOT PROVE ITS CONTAGIOUS. THEY ASSUME.

ITS SUITS THEIR JOB AND THEIR INCOME AND IDENTITY



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This woman is a raw vegan medical doctor who is a pathologist.
[www.youtube.com]

In this livestream, she just said she thinks she got the virus in January but she said she quickly recovered. She said all you can do is increase immunity and health, and even explore spirituality like God or buddha. If this was just a psyop for vaccines why would she suggest to turn to God? When a pathologist tells you to explore God, this is serious.
[www.youtube.com]

Thanks, Tai, the woman is providing good, scientific info on the virus
.
Some want us to believe that viruses don't even exist.

Didn't see any science there.

2. Hiv for example. Nobody needs or wants you to believe anything.

It's not about believing
It's about Evidence

The facts never showed hiv exists/caused disease
Dr duesberg
And Kary Mullis
Who are both smarter than both of you
Said no evidence

Present the evidence to counter their assertion

Or present evidence this virus exists and causes disease

You can't

You wont

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fresh

The facts never showed hiv exists/caused disease
Dr duesberg
And Kary Mullis
Who are both smarter than both of you
Said no evidence

Present the evidence to counter their assertion

Or present evidence this virus exists and causes disease

You can't

You wont

I don't know how you prove that Kary Mullis is smarter.

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Mullis reported an encounter with a "standard extraterrestrial raccoon” at his cabin in the woods of northern California around midnight one night in 1985; he denied being on psychedelics at the time.

Mullis died of pneumonia on August 7, 2019 at age 74

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The consensus in the scientific community is that the Duesberg hypothesis has been refuted by a large and growing mass of evidence showing that HIV causes AIDS, that the amount of virus in the blood correlates with disease progression, that a plausible mechanism for HIV's action has been proposed, and that anti-HIV medication decreases mortality and opportunistic infection in people with AIDS

Raw Practicalist
Thanks, Tai, the woman is providing good, scientific info on the virus

Tai
When I posted it, I only heard the end of the talk. Now I heard the whole talk. So I was mistaken about her conclusion in my first post. I think she was talking about spirituality in the context of the "end times" (or beginning of something new) that we seem to be living in.

But as far as this virus goes, she doesn't think it's that bad. She thinks it will be bad for 1% of the people, for people with preexisting conditions, not for healthy people. She thinks the overreaction by governments is because they don't have enough hospital beds, so they are trying to slow the spread of the virus, so as not to overwhelm hospitals. But she thinks that most people will be exposed to the virus eventually and then become immune to it. She doesn't think there will be forced vaccinations. She suggested that if they want to force a vaccination, a person could offer to self isolate for 40 days to opt out of a vaccination, or to test for antibodies and if a person is already immune from past exposure, they wouldn't need a vaccination.

We'll see what she says in a month from now.

I don't know how you prove that Kary Mullis is smarter.




As soon as you submit proof that any human has died due to coronavirus I will submit my proof


Surely after two months there should be proof right?

It's one logical fallacy after another from you

Straw men
Ad hominem
Etc

The consensus in the scientific community is that the Duesberg hypothesis has been refuted by a large and growing mass of evidence showing that HIV causes AIDS, that the amount of virus in the blood correlates with disease progression, that a plausible mechanism for HIV's action has been proposed, and that anti-



The consensus is that 19 terrorists hit the u.s. in 2001


Same level of truth to that statement

Is there a pattern?

I do not believe so but there are many speculations out there

Coronavirus: Life and death in Bergamo
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The number of dead are higher than reported. Patients with heart symptoms are tested. Those with fever and cough are not tested and are told to stay at home; if they die at home, they are not counted as part of coronavirus.

.................
THis is for you Fresh, as it shows how some people are intentionally killed in Chinese hospitals
Watch from 5:50 to 10 minutes.

Doctor recalls witnessing patient killed inside ICU; G7 discuss combating CCP virus | China in Focus
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Not sure what that has to do with the issue people being misdiagnosed

Hospitals kill people non the regular.

Karl Anthony towns told his mother to go to hospital

They are killing her with meds as we speak.

Would have been fine staying home except for the idea of an alleged killer virus

I forgot to say that in that one report, it said China sold $500,000 worth of test kits that are 80% inaccurate, both false positives and false negatives!

Well, in the spirit of this thread's origin, I'll add my preference for viral protection (in addition to healthy diet, exercise, and sleep): elderberry syrup. Not exactly a whole food, but innocent enough and seems to help for avoiding colds and flu.

[www.hawaiinewsnow.com]

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Tai
I forgot to say that in that one report, it said China sold $500,000 worth of test kits that are 80% inaccurate, both false positives and false negatives!

Not that I'm a big fan of the Chinese government, but I think this is the story of Spain's purchase of tests from a Chinese company whose tests hadn't been approved there. Approval should have come from China's National Administration of Medical Products, but there was no approval.

[www.youtube.com]

Hi Suncloud! Nice to hear from you. I'd love to hear any updates from Hawaii as time passes on how people are faring with the virus.

Fresh, I am now going to elaborate on that video you shared about AIDS. I get that the whole gist is to deny HIV is the main culprit behind AIDS. However, I want to elaborate here because the film in no way denies infectious disease-causing agents.

AIDS Inc.mp4
[www.youtube.com]

@ 20 minutes, the doctor said an army study showed a person was 40% more likely to be HIV positive, if they had syphilis
-Then Gary Null featured Dr. Stephen Caiazza
- the doctor said it was common to see herpes and gonorrhea in HIV patients, but not syphilis in a serum test
- the doctor was not denying the infectious nature of HIV, but questioned how a simple virus could do so much damage?
- He determined that syphilis was a greater factor than HIV at suppressing the immune system and he believed that there is/was a pandemic of syphilis
-Even if the blood test showed no syphilis, he treated his HIV patients as though they had syphilis and he got good results from the treatment (see article I linked below).
-AIDS as a single disease doesn't exist in this doctor's understanding.
-He believes it is a complex disease caused by chronic syphilis infection (one year or more) 70%, Herpes virus infection 10%, HIV virus infection 10-15%, and the rest would be things like Chlamydia, Amoebiasis and lifestyle would contribute to the rest of the disease.
- His experience is if he hits the patient hard and early with aggressive treatment for all these conditions (early is key), that person will live a normal life.
I looked up his name and found this article about his treatment method
[www.sun-sentinel.com]

In the African section, someone said that tuberculosis depresses the immune system; so malaria and tuberculosis are to be blame for AIDS manifestations
even leprosy.

What I have gathered from you and John Rose, and correct me if I am wrong, is that you both don't believe in infectious agents causing disease. So your and John's view don't match the views in this film, which point to infectious agents causing AIDS, like syphilis, tuberculosis, malaria

I appreciated watching the film. It does show the huge power and money grab over AIDS. It's sad that money got diverted to toxic AIDS drugs rather than basic good food and water and correct medicine to the starving Africans.

This is another video by the raw vegan doctor pathologist. It's too long to watch but I will summarize by her saying this virus is real, but she still thinks a person needs to have a preexisting health problem to get really sick from it. She said when the media said a person was healthy, she doesn't believe that; she said if you dig deep enough, you will find a preexisting health problem. She does works with microscopes to see viruses. She also believes in natural hygiene. She offers live chats, so she is the one that can clarify to you Fresh or John. how viruses can cause disease
[www.youtube.com]

Tai

Glad you got something out of it

No I don't see any reason to believe those you named are infectious or contagious

And the point of the film is yes they renamed other diseases aids but I don't concede that the causes are what they claim

Parasites are different if that is what causes malaria but I haven't researched it fully

Fresh
No I don't see any reason to believe those you named are infectious or contagious

Tai
You don't think syphilis is contagious?
I know that saints have walked the earth and were untouched by pestilence, but mere mortals beware.

Doug Graham was so cocky with his water fasting and then Leah Branster got sick from contaminated water. The hospital saved her life from an infection from cheap water. Raw is Law? Obviously Doug didn't believe in those microbes causing disease, because if he had, he would have served purified water or at the very least boiled water.

Did Robert Lockhart think he could have gotten an infection from soil bacteria?

Did you see Annette Larkins share how she was sick for months from an infection she got from walking barefoot with broken skin outside? The raw diet didn't spare her the infection.

What about Ann Osborne getting a contagious skin rash on her leg from another raw foodist? The raw diet didn't spare her from that infection.

I am not trying to argue or debate. I am sure many people have warned daredevils to be safe, yet they risk their lives anyways, like taking dangerous selfies and falling off cliffs to their deaths.
47,000 Americans died by suicide last year.
So sad.

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Tai
Fresh
No I don't see any reason to believe those you named are infectious or contagious

Tai
You don't think syphilis is contagious?
I know that saints have walked the earth and were untouched by pestilence, but mere mortals beware.

Doug Graham was so cocky with his water fasting and then Leah Branster got sick from contaminated water.



,..So you say.



The hospital saved her life from an infection from cheap water. Raw is Law? Obviously Doug didn't believe in those microbes causing disease, because if he had, he would have served purified water or at the very least boiled water.

Did Robert Lockhart think he could have gotten an infection from soil bacteria?

.....That's Not why he died

Did you see Annette Larkins share how she was sick for months from an infection she got from walking barefoot with broken skin outside? The raw diet didn't spare her the infection.

.....No.

What about Ann Osborne getting a contagious skin rash on her leg from another raw foodist? The raw diet didn't spare her from that infection.

......So you say

I am not trying to argue or debate. I am sure many people have warned daredevils to be safe, yet they risk their lives anyways, like taking dangerous selfies and falling off cliffs to their deaths.
47,000 Americans died by suicide last year.
So sad.

No offense, but you say a lot of things and assume them to be true

...Is polio infectious and contagious?

No.
Caused by ddt and other pesticides and vaccinations