That all of this is just a hoax, they didn't need to die, they weren't even really sick. Ooh the pain...
New York ER
Actually I'm just trying to get a read for the room here, as I find some of the stances being taken appalling...



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your ego is preventing you from researching before commenting.

what happens to people told they have a deadly disease eh genius?

what treatment do they get?

ponder

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That all of this is just a hoax, they didn't need to die, they weren't even really sick. Ooh the pain...
New York ER
Actually I'm just trying to get a read for the room here, as I find some of the stances being taken appalling...

Oops, speaking of 'hoax' and 'fake', looks like The Lib Media is using FAKE VIDEO to portray New York Hospitals as 'emergency', crowded, etc.

CBS Used Fake COVID Video: 'NY Hospital' Footage Was From Italy's Hardest-Hit City

(Video here)

[www.westernjournal.com]

So gee, I wonder if that CNN video you posted of Elmhurst Hospital in Queens is also 'fake' 'hoax'.

So yeah, 'they' - in this instance meaning The Lib Media - Would definitely Lie to us ...

I find the Lib Media stances (fake/hoax/lies) 'appalling'.

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CBS News admits 'mistake' after airing footage of overcrowded Italian hospital in report about NYC

[www.foxnews.com]

CBS News admitted to a "mistake" on Monday after airing footage of an overcrowded hospital room that was allegedly in New York City but was actually from a hospital in Italy.

"It was an editing mistake. We took immediate steps to remove it from all platforms and shows," a CBS News spokesperson told Fox News.

Last Wednesday, "CBS This Morning" included a brief clip showing several patients and medical professionals in one room during a report about the rising threat of the coronavirus outbreak in New York City.

However, that same footage aired days prior on Sky News.

“This is the main hospital in Bergamo, in Lombardy province. It’s one of the most advanced hospitals in Europe,” Sky News reported.

ABC News made a similar mistake last fall when it aired footage from a Kentucky gun range while falsely claiming it depicted a fierce battle between Syrian Kurds and Turkish forces.

The network aired the footage framing it as battlefield video, when, in fact, it appears to be from a night gun demonstration at the Knob Creek Gun Range in West Point, Ky.

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Here's more Fake News/Media Hoax -

False claim: Photo shows coffins of coronavirus victims in Italy

[www.reuters.com]

So the real hoax going on here is - The Fake Media and the Fake News that are whipping sheeple up into a frenzy for Someone's Agenda.

I personally don't call it a Hoax. I call it -

Over-Hyped, Over-Blown, Agenda-Driven Hysteria.

It's a FLU, for God's sakes!

Since when do we Ruin Societies and Kill Economies in the Whole World because every year people get the Flu



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Good finds Jennifer

You know they're faking it all these stories coming out now
When they feel compelled to say

" they had no previous conditions"
In perfect health

Nobody would say that unless they were trying
To spin a lie.

Perhaps fresh, Jennifer and JR should get a room and masturbate since that's all you're actually doing...

I guess we know where your head is at.

If I was in a room with JR, I'd be asking him a million questions about juice fasting.

Regarding the video you posted --

Dr. Colleen Smith is a Medical Simulation Specialist. Elmhurst is a teaching hospital. She may have violated HIPPA law by filming patients, filming is not permitted in hospitals. Colleen Smith said there was a shortage of ventilators, but Elmhurst Hospital issued a statement that they do not have a shortage of ventilators. Also, the people lined up on the street outside the hospital are waiting to get a coronavirus test.

[www.elmhurst.edu]

See here for the CrowdSourcing guy's investigation --

[www.youtube.com]

Fear mongering, sensationalizing New York Times.

[twitter.com]

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Have some Perspective:

We Ruined the World because there were 45,000 Flu Deaths in three months!

We Killed the USA because there were 4,000 Flu Deaths in three months!

But calling this Farce "Over-Reacting" "Over-Hyped" or "Agenda-Driven" is Crazy Conspiracy Theory, right? -- is this The Twilight Zone

There is predicted to be between 100,000-240,000 deaths coming soon. Is that enough for you to admit this is not a farce?

If that doesn't happen, I will be the first to admit we are over-reacting...

Yes, if the US gets 250,000 coronavirus deaths this season (so not counting starting again in the fall), I would consider that a lot of deaths and that this coronavirus is a serious illness.

Considering this:

Flu deaths due to flu epidemics and pandemics

[healthvigil.com]

About 3 to 5 million cases of severe flu illness and about 250 000 to 500 000 flu season deaths worldwide occur due to the influenza virus.

Flu season deaths in the United States:

More than 200,000 people are hospitalized each year in the United States for the flu illness and its complications and between 3,000 and 49,000 people die each year from the flu. The number of flu deaths every year varies.

The world has seen five pandemics during the last century, which took a large number of lives. Here are the figures of deaths that occurred in the United States and Worldwide during those years.

1. 1889 Russian Flu Pandemic – about 1 million flu deaths

2. “Spanish flu” A of 1918-19 caused the highest number of influenza-related deaths: approximately 500,000 deaths occurred in the U.S. and 20 million worldwide. That figure is more than the total number of deaths caused by the World War one — 16 million. As a matter of fact, during that year, the flu had killed more people than any other illness in recorded history.

3. “Asian flu” A of 1957-58 caused 70,000 deaths in the United States and about one million to two million deaths worldwide

4. “Hong-Kong flu” A of 1968-69 resulted in 34,000 deaths in the United States and an estimated one million to three million people died worldwide.

5. 2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic – about 18,300 deaths in the United States and up to 203,000 deaths worldwide

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So using some rough estimation/my projection:

If we had 4,000 deaths (starting Feb. 29th when the first person in the USA died) in one month - the month of March - figure we may get 8,000 in the month of April and another 4,000 in the month of May, (June is way hot so there's no way there's going to be a bunch of flu deaths in June) that's still only 16,000 deaths in the US from coronavirus this flu season.

So again, we will have RUINED SOCIETY because we:

Killed the US Economy, the GDP, the Budget, Small Businesses killed, like 40 Million people losing their jobs, plunged millions of people who were living paycheck-to-paycheck/hand-to-mouth into Poverty, ruined countless Senior Citizens' Retirement Accounts, facilitated the Government Takeover of the US, Nationalized of US corporations, Socialized the US, Fascisized the US, created Tyranny, Petty Tyrants (the Governors) shredded the Constitution, etc. for 16,000 seasonal flu deaths this year!

TAKING AWAY OUR FREEDOM AND LIBERTIES for 16,000 Seasonal Flu Deaths!



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And yet those epidemics were not caused by germs

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And yet those epidemics were not caused by germs

Well it sure wasn't pollution, 5G and all the modern excuses for OUR problems. Let's face it, a raw vegan diet is NOT a panacea by any means...

Toxins poisons vaccinations pesticides nutritional problems
cause disease

Polio was caused by pesticides and vaccinations

JR already posted on Spanish flu caused by vaccinations

Others are similar

What about the Black Plague? Surely if Holocaust denier JR said something it's gotta be true right? Swallow that koolaid bro, that's how cults are formed...

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What about the Black Plague? Surely if Holocaust denier JR said something it's gotta be true right? Swallow that koolaid bro, that's how cults are formed...

Why do I need to answer every plague?

You're not interested in the info anyway

But what about
But what about..

Mindlessly repeated by those who still stubbornly refuse the info presented on a silver platter.

That's why you fall into category 3
Not a good category

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NuNativs

There is predicted to be between 100,000-240,000 deaths coming soon. Is that enough for you to admit this is not a farce?

If that doesn't happen, I will be the first to admit we are over-reacting...

They're ratcheting the estimated Deaths in the US down to 100,000 now, so it's still a Farce. The fall-out from the measures the World Governments are taking, which is Destroying Society as we know it, is all out of proportion to the few lives that are supposedly being saved by the Forced Locking Down of the World, Shutting Businesses and Unconstitutionally Taking Away our Liberties and Freedoms.

And btw, that Nurse Colleen who was filming in Elmhurst Hospital in the Video you Posted with the Fake Footage got coronavirus.

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NuNativs
That all of this is just a hoax, they didn't need to die, they weren't even really sick. Ooh the pain...
New York ER
Actually I'm just trying to get a read for the room here, as I find some of the stances being taken appalling...

HEAR HEAR Nunativs DISGUSTING

Ps go to other sujects if you dare and look at proof ive posted pointing out jennife lies at will. her post US Coronavirus Fatality Rate Continues to Fall

Its a dam shame these post here!

We can learn from past Pandemics -
Distorting facts, and downplaying the threat always makes matters worse.

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Good finds Jennifer

You know they're faking it all these stories coming out now
When they feel compelled to say.

Good point Fresh! Jennifer was compelled Your Gal Jenney Started thread under other topics Insane, titled US Coronavirus Fatality Rate Continues to Fall,

Qoute Jennifer about her Zero Hedge Link = And I didn't know that that Statistics List was false) but you are also right that that Fatality Rate Falling statistics ( list is Bogus!) Thanks for giving me this exercise in Reasonin
Nobody would say that unless they were trying
To spin a lie.

Right Fresh!

Jennifer instead of claiming your ignorance, next time , tis easy google your sorce just a little more efort then you wont look so much a a Bsing Covidiot.

Im emarassed for raw food site when I read threads like you started
US Coronavirus Fatality Rate Continues to Fall.

We can learn from past Pandemics -
Distorting facts, and downplaying the threat always makes matters worse.

Keep the boots on Kids



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In the current “coronavirus epidemic,” the one condition that has been emphasized is: pneumonia.

Standard medical texts will tell you that viruses, bacteria, and fungi can cause pneumonia. Add to that, heavily polluted toxic air (as in Wuhan and other Chinese cities). Add in extreme malnutrition. YOU DON’T NEED A CORONAVIRUS TO EXPLAIN CASES OF PNEUMONIA IN CHINA.

All right. So how many deaths from pneumonia occurred in China well before the “appearance of the coronavirus?”

Estimates vary. Here is one, based on an analysis of studies: 2.8 million to 17 million deaths per year. Source: “Pneumonia Incidence and Mortality in Mainland China: Systematic Review of Chinese and English Literature, 1985-2008” (PLoS one, 2010).

Notice the dates—1985-2008, long before the supposed coronavirus showed up. Before 5G technology, before a biowar research lab ramped up in Wuhan.

2.8 million to 17 million deaths. No need for a mysterious virus.

The wide variance in these death numbers is the result of trying to integrate Chinese language and English language studies, the huge expanse of territory in China, the huge population, and possible attempts, within China, to conceal true statistics.

What does all this tell us? It tells us that now, there is a gigantic pool of people with pneumonia, in China, who can be falsely labeled “deaths from the coronavirus.”

And that’s not all. There are other categories of illness that can be merged with pneumonia, in the rush to diagnose people with the coronavirus. I’m talking about “lower lung infections” and “influenza.” The mortality numbers leap even higher.

You might rightly ask, “So why hasn’t pneumonia, all by itself, been labeled an epidemic in China in past years? Why hasn’t the World Health Organization, at the very least, declared a state of emergency for China based on pneumonia?”

You can bet your bottom dollar that, if the “coronavirus epidemic” was said to reach 2 million deaths in China, the entire planet would be locked down tight, and no one anywhere would leave home. Both atheists and end-times prophets would be shouting that the extinction of all human life was upon us. Persons in high places would be meeting and saying the only solution was to nuke Earth and start over.

Let’s consider, for a moment, how easy it would be to label pneumonia outside China with the coronavirus tag. As in, “the virus is spreading everywhere.” Here is a quote: “[Globally] About 200 million cases of viral community-acquired pneumonia occur every year—100 million in children and 100 million in adults.” Lancet, volume 377, ISSUE 9773, P1264-1275, April 09, 2011.

But wait, you say. Pneumonia is only called “coronavirus” if the patient is tested and the virus is discovered. Otherwise, it’s just ordinary pneumonia. —Sorry, it’s not that simple.

First of all, in the pressure of an announced epidemic, all sorts of people who have elevated temperature and general flu-like symptoms will be called coronavirus cases. Metrics people will use computer models to estimate numbers of cases. And even when the most widely used diagnostic tests are done—those tests have serious flaws.

An antibody test, at best, only indicates the patient has come in contact with the virus. It says nothing about whether he is going to become ill. In fact, before 1984, a positive-reading antibody test was generally taken to mean the patient was in good shape. His immune system had defeated the germ in question. But then, after 1984, the science was turned on its head—and a positive test was falsely taken to mean the patient was ill or would soon become ill.

The so-called PCR test (which has many procedural problems and requires expert technicians who will not make mistakes) takes a tiny, tiny sample of what might be a virus from a patient, and blows it up many, many times so it can be observed. However, in order for this virus to actually cause illness, millions and millions of virus particles must be present in the patient’s body. The PCR test says nothing reliable about quantity of virus in a person.

Therefore, even when these tests are done on suspected cases of the coronavirus, they do not result in accurate knowledge about illness and disease.

If you’re beginning to think it’s easy to declare an epidemic and broadcast propaganda about it, you’re right. Take a conventional set of symptoms present in people all over the world, claim a new virus is causing them, and you’re off and running. You can report 500 or 1000 deaths from this virus and people will believe whatever you say or do next. They won’t realize that this set of symptoms has been present in millions and millions of people, for decades or centuries, without the new virus. They won’t realize millions of people have already died without the “new virus.”

Global epidemics solely based on germ-pronouncements, without environmental investigations (contaminated water supplies, open sewage, hunger, starvation, poverty, toxic chemicals, etc.), are industries. They’re business ventures. They’re operations launched to control populations and force them to take vaccines. They’re launched and sustained by professional liars, who’ve refined the old skills of snake oil salesmen through the use of “science,” in order to hypnotize the unwary. And when the vaccine of the moment—as in the Swine Flu epidemic duds of 1976 and 2009—turns out to be quite damaging, the snake oil pros say, “Well, every vaccine can cause rare problems, but all in all, they curb pandemics. We must inject them.”

If you automatically buy that one, you believe pigs can jump over the moon on the backs of cows.

Highly educated people do tend to believe pigs can jump over the moon, when it comes to so-called epidemics. They think, “I admire complex issues. Epidemics and viruses are very complex, and only the well-trained and sophisticated professionals can assess them. Therefore, these pros know what they’re doing. I reject THE SIMPLE.”

But THE SIMPLE is what these people need to know about. Otherwise, it’s still pigs, the moon, cows, and jumping.

“But…but…but this situation in China is NEW and UNPRECEDENTED, as of 2019. It’s never happened before. And the lockdowns and the quarantines…So there must be a new explanation, the coronavirus.”

If necessary, read this article again. The pneumonia-situation is not new. And the lockdowns and quarantines were theatrically laid on AFTER the blaring trumpet announcements of the “epidemic.”

It’s still over the moon.



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NuNativs

There is predicted to be between 100,000-240,000 deaths coming soon. Is that enough for you to admit this is not a farce?

If that doesn't happen, I will be the first to admit we are over-reacting...

LOL

So "The Model" that is worshipped by the True Hype Believers changed the prediction from 100,000 down to 80,000 lately.

Well, lo and behold! Today "The Godforsaken Model" has changed it's prediction from 80,000 down to 63,000 Coronavirus Deaths!

So let's have An Admission that 'we' are over-reacting, NuNativs