[nypost.com]

Don’t buy China’s story: The coronavirus may have leaked from a lab

By Steven W. Mosher

February 22, 2020

At an emergency meeting in Beijing held last Friday, Chinese leader Xi Jinping spoke about the need to contain the coronavirus and set up a system to prevent similar epidemics in the future.

A national system to control biosecurity risks must be put in place “to protect the people’s health,” Xi said, because lab safety is a “national security” issue.

Xi didn’t actually admit that the coronavirus now devastating large swaths of China had escaped from one of the country’s bioresearch labs. But the very next day, evidence emerged suggesting that this is exactly what happened, as the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology released a new directive titled: “Instructions on strengthening biosecurity management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.”

Read that again. It sure sounds like China has a problem keeping dangerous pathogens in test tubes where they belong, doesn’t it? And just how many “microbiology labs” are there in China that handle “advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus”?

It turns out that in all of China, there is only one. And this one is located in the Chinese city of Wuhan that just happens to be … the epicenter of the epidemic.

That’s right. China’s only Level 4 microbiology lab that is equipped to handle deadly coronaviruses, called the National Biosafety Laboratory, is part of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

What’s more, the People’s Liberation Army’s top expert in biological warfare, a Maj. Gen. Chen Wei, was dispatched to Wuhan at the end of January to help with the effort to contain the outbreak.

According to the PLA Daily, Chen has been researching coronaviruses since the SARS outbreak of 2003, as well as Ebola and anthrax. This would not be her first trip to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, either, since it is one of only two bioweapons research labs in all of China.

Does that suggest to you that the novel coronavirus, now known as SARS-CoV-2, may have escaped from that very lab, and that Chen’s job is to try to put the genie back in the bottle, as it were? It does to me.

Add to this China’s history of similar incidents. Even the deadly SARS virus has escaped — twice — from the Beijing lab where it was (and probably is) being used in experiments. Both “man-made” epidemics were quickly contained, but neither would have happened at all if proper safety precautions had been taken.

And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

You heard me right.

Instead of properly disposing of infected animals by cremation, as the law requires, they sell them on the side to make a little extra cash. Or, in some cases, a lot of extra cash. One Beijing researcher, now in jail, made a million dollars selling his monkeys and rats on the live animal market, where they eventually wound up in someone’s stomach.

Also fueling suspicions about SARS-CoV-2’s origins is the series of increasingly lame excuses offered by the Chinese authorities as people began to sicken and die.

They first blamed a seafood market not far from the Institute of Virology, even though the first documented cases of Covid-19 (the illness caused by SARS-CoV-2) involved people who had never set foot there. Then they pointed to snakes, bats and even a cute little scaly anteater called a pangolin as the source of the virus.

I don’t buy any of this. It turns out that snakes don’t carry coronaviruses and that bats aren’t sold at a seafood market. Neither, for that matter, are pangolins, an endangered species valued for their scales as much as for their meat.

The evidence points to SARS-CoV-2 research being carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The virus may have been carried out of the lab by an infected worker or crossed over into humans when they unknowingly dined on a lab animal. Whatever the vector, Beijing authorities are now clearly scrambling to correct the serious problems with the way their labs handle deadly pathogens.

China has unleashed a plague on its own people. It’s too early to say how many in China and other countries will ultimately die for the failures of their country’s state-run microbiology labs, but the human cost will be high.

But not to worry. Xi has assured us that he is controlling biosecurity risks “to protect the people’s health.” PLA bioweapons experts are in charge.

I doubt the Chinese people will find that very reassuring. Neither should we.

Steven W. Mosher is the president of the Population Research Institute and the author of “Bully of Asia: Why China’s ‘Dream’ Is the New Threat to World Order.”

Wow. Seems like a definite possibility.

Could also be a possible set-up that a virus was deliberately unleashed by a foreign government in a place where a nearby micro lab could be blamed. Most people probably wouldn't have thought it could spread all the way back to them.

I'm open to such possibilities. The one you mention Tai is definitely much easier to believe than any conspiracy theory that targets half the world over.

[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Did coronavirus leak from a research lab in Wuhan? Startling new theory is 'no longer being discounted' amid claims staff 'got infected after being sprayed with blood'
The idea is 'no longer being discounted,' according to Government sources.
A Cobra member said it did not rule out that the virus spread from a laboratory

Ooh government sources very reliable

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suncloud

Wow. Seems like a definite possibility.

Could also be a possible set-up that a virus was deliberately unleashed by a foreign government in a place where a nearby micro lab could be blamed. Most people probably wouldn't have thought it could spread all the way back to them.

I'm open to such possibilities. The one you mention Tai is definitely much easier to believe than any conspiracy theory that targets half the world over.

So all Conspiracy Theories are not created equal?

Those which you yourself 'believe' are not really "Conspiracy Theories", is that it?

Did you run this one by your husband to see what he thinks ...

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

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suncloud

Wow. Seems like a definite possibility.

Could also be a possible set-up that a virus was deliberately unleashed by a foreign government in a place where a nearby micro lab could be blamed. Most people probably wouldn't have thought it could spread all the way back to them.

I'm open to such possibilities. The one you mention Tai is definitely much easier to believe than any conspiracy theory that targets half the world over.

So all Conspiracy Theories are not created equal?

Those which you yourself 'believe' are not really "Conspiracy Theories", is that it?

Did you run this one by your husband to see what he thinks ...

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Hah

And suncloud spoke about Ebola

Jon r blew that hoax out of the water too

All his blogs are great
I've posted some audios and videos of him I'm not sure if you seen one here's one


[youtu.be]


Also this one is good


[youtu.be]

The above explains a lot

Blogs explain more about not one cause

I think Google keeps taking it down so I'm not sure how long it'll be up there



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suncloud

Wow. Seems like a definite possibility.

Could also be a possible set-up that a virus was deliberately unleashed by a foreign government in a place where a nearby micro lab could be blamed. Most people probably wouldn't have thought it could spread all the way back to them.

I'm open to such possibilities. The one you mention Tai is definitely much easier to believe than any conspiracy theory that targets half the world over.

So all Conspiracy Theories are not created equal?

Those which you yourself 'believe' are not really "Conspiracy Theories", is that it?

Did you run this one by your husband to see what he thinks ...

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

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So Jennifer. Here are 4 options.

1. All conspiracy theories are true.
2. No conspiracy theories are true.
3. Some conspiracy theories are true, and some conspiracy theories are false.
4. Some conspiracy theories are true, some conspiracy theories are partly true, and some conspiracy theories are false.

I choose #4. Which option do you choose?



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It appears there's been at least one study that concluded the virus didn't originate in a lab. Published in Nature Medicine.

Below are a statement from the researchers and a copy of the actual study (including methodology, etc.)

[www.scripps.edu]

[www.nature.com]

Best approach for any conspiracy theory is to look for evidence from both sides. Some conspiracy theories are true. Some conspiracy theories are not.

Conspiracy theories that involve a massive number of regular people without any conceivable agenda are usually false. Especially if those same people are dying.

[www.bbc.com]

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about coronavirus
By Stephanie Hegarty

Dr Li posted this picture of himself from a hospital bed on 31 January - a day before he was diagnosed with coronavirus
Dr Li Wenliang, who was hailed a hero for raising the alarm about the coronavirus in the early days of the outbreak, has died of the infection.

His death was confirmed by the Wuhan hospital where he worked and was being treated, following conflicting reports about his condition on state media.

Dr Li, 34, tried to send a message to fellow medics about the outbreak at the end of December. Three days later police paid him a visit and told him to stop. He returned to work and caught the virus from a patient. He had been in hospital for at least three weeks.

He posted his story from his hospital bed last month on social media site Weibo.

"Hello everyone, this is Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital," the post begins.

It was a stunning insight into the botched response by local authorities in Wuhan in the early weeks of the coronavirus outbreak.

Dr Li was working at the centre of the outbreak in December when he noticed seven cases of a virus that he thought looked like Sars - the virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003. The cases were thought to come from the Huanan Seafood market in Wuhan and the patients were in quarantine in his hospital.

On 30 December he sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them about the outbreak and advising they wear protective clothing to avoid infection.

What Dr Li didn't know then was that the disease that had been discovered was an entirely new coronavirus.

After falling sick, Dr Li said on Weibo that he wondered why authorities were still saying no medical staff had been infected
Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".

"We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?" Underneath in Dr Li's handwriting is written: "Yes, I do."

He was one of eight people who police said were being investigated for "spreading rumours".

At the end of January, Dr Li published a copy of the letter on Weibo and explained what had happened. In the meantime, local authorities had apologised to him but that apology came too late.

For the first few weeks of January officials in Wuhan were insisting that only those who came into contact with infected animals could catch the virus. No guidance was issued to protect doctors.

But just a week after his visit from the police, Dr Li was treating a woman with glaucoma. He didn't know that she had been infected with the new coronavirus.

"We hope you can calm down and reflect on your behaviour," the letter police told him to sign says
In his Weibo post he describes how on 10 January he started coughing, the next day he had a fever and two days later he was in hospital. His parents also fell ill and were taken to hospital.

It was 10 days later - on 20 January - that China declared the outbreak an emergency.

Dr Li says he was tested several times for coronavirus, all of them came back negative.

Dr Li Wenliang was accused of spreading rumours
On 30 January he posted again: "Today nucleic acid testing came back with a positive result, the dust has settled, finally diagnosed."

He punctuated the short post with an emoji of a dog with its eyes rolled back, tongue hanging out.

Not surprisingly the post received thousands of comments and words of support.

"Dr Li Wenliang is a hero," one user said, worrying about what his story says about their country. "In the future, doctors will be more afraid to issue early warnings when they find signs of infectious diseases."

"A safer public health environment… requires tens of millions of Li Wenliang."



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Conspiracy Theories are Subjective.

I think: "Vaccines Cause Autism." But some people think that's a "Conspiracy Theory."

I think: "Chemtrails are real." Chemtrails are the government mandated airplanes spraying some substance down to earth. But some people think that's a "Conspiracy Theory."

I think: "The Official Story of 911 is False." Some people think that's a "Conspiracy Theory."

Some people think: "The Earth will be destroyed in a decade or two by MAN-MADE Global Warming." I think that's a "Conspiracy Theory."

Some people think LBJ killed JFK, so is that a Conspiracy Theory or The Truth?

Who Labels What "A Conspiracy Theory"?

Interesting question Jennifer.

Here's one definition. I'm sure there are others.

[www.merriam-webster.com]

[dailycaller.com]

Shi Zhengli, China’s leading virologist on bat-borne viruses, said in March that she lost sleep worrying that the virus could have leaked from her lab in Wuhan after she first learned of the virus in December.

Shi now tells those who share the concerns she once had to “shut their stinking mouths.”

“The killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan,” the two Chinese researchers noted in their paper, which was uploaded to Research Gate on Feb. 6.

The paper was removed from Research Gate on Feb. 14 or 15, according to internet archives.

Deadly viruses have a history of escaping from Chinese laboratories.

The SARS virus escaped twice from the Chinese Institute of Virology in Beijing in 2004, one year after the virus was initially contained.


[www.nature.com]

Published: 09 November 2015

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence

Vineet D Menachery, Boyd L Yount Jr, Kari Debbink, Sudhakar Agnihothram, Lisa E Gralinski, Jessica A Plante, Rachel L Graham, Trevor Scobey, Xing-Yi Ge, Eric F Donaldson, Scott H Randell, Antonio Lanzavecchia, Wayne A Marasco, Zhengli-Li Shi & Ralph S Baric
Nature Medicine volume 21, pages1508–1513(2015)

A Corrigendum to this article was published on 06 April 2016
This article has been updated
Abstract
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

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[www.nature.com]

12 November 2015

An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related to the virus that causes SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) — has triggered renewed debate over whether engineering lab variants of viruses with possible pandemic potential is worth the risks.

In an article published in Nature Medicine1 on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them. It also caused disease in mice, but did not kill them.

Although almost all coronaviruses isolated from bats have not been able to bind to the key human receptor, SHC014 is not the first that can do so. In 2013, researchers reported this ability for the first time in a different coronavirus isolated from the same bat population2.

The findings reinforce suspicions that bat coronaviruses capable of directly infecting humans (rather than first needing to evolve in an intermediate animal host) may be more common than previously thought, the researchers say.

But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment justifies the potential risk. Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says.

Thank you Tai. I think the main question is whether or not there is nefarious intent behind all this which is the main point of contention from the conspiracy theories?

This I am not sure of, I don't believe people can be so evil. I think they can be unhealthy and unaware of their actions and cause harm by accident and their own misguided group actions, but deliberate control and domination?

That's hard for me personally to swallow. I remain open though...

Nunativs
I think the main question is whether or not there is nefarious intent behind all this

Tai
I am trying to understand this myself. So if they took a bat virus that was unable to infect humans and they modified so it then could infect humans, how is that not nefarious? Even if the leak was accidental, just the modification itself is malevolent, imo.

This is frightening:
"The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them"

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Tai

This is frightening:
"The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them"

Well that gave me shivers.

Worth noting though, that according to the Scripps article:

"...evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone – its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins..."

Still, it gives me shivers. Why would anyone in their right mind be fooling around with engineering a new coronavirus pathogen? Even if this new coronavirus (COVID 19) is not engineered, what are the consequences down the road if something did escape the lab? Crazy!

[www.scripps.edu]

And yet that's what they are doing with virus

By being either stupid (brainwashed by medical training)
or malevolent/lying

It's not engineered because you can't control the effects

What you can control is benign virus
Made to appear contagious by controlling the media
And people's ignorance of history and cause of disease
By ignoring all other causative factors.

As far as evil if you don't get 911 you won't get what they're capable of
Perhaps different players this time

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

Mike pompeo biggest liar psycho around

[www.nzherald.co.nz]
Landmark study: Virus didn't come from animals in Wuhan market

China's claims that the pandemic emerged from a wild animal market in Wuhan last December have been challenged by a landmark scientific study.

The Mail on Sunday revealed that analysis of the coronavirus by specialist biologists suggests that all available data shows it was taken into the market by someone already carrying the disease.

They say they were "surprised" to find the virus was "already pre-adapted to human transmission", contrasting it to another coronavirus that evolved rapidly as it spread around the planet in a previous epidemic.

The claims come as Beijing thwarts global efforts to establish the source of the virus. The news will fuel concerns over the Communist regime's cover-up since the disease emerged last year in the central Chinese city.

The new research is clear in its finding. "The publicly available genetic data does not point to cross-species transmission of the virus at the market," said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist, and Shing Zhan, an evolutionary biologist.

Their paper insists all routes for "zoonotic" (animal to human) transmission – in this case from bats – must be examined. It says: "The possibility that a non-genetically engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered."

The revelations add to the growing clamour for an international inquiry into the outbreak.

"We need to get to the bottom of many things in relation to Covid-19," said Tory MP Bob Seely, a member of the Commons' Foreign Affairs Select Committee. "We need to know where this virus began, why we were told at one time there was no human transmission, and what was the role of the Chinese Communist Party."

Sourcing the virus is key to understanding the disease, developing vaccines and stopping fresh outbreaks. But the issue has become fraught after US President Donald Trump claimed it emerged from a Wuhan laboratory working on bat-borne diseases and China responded by blaming American soldiers at a sports contest.

Beijing health authorities have insisted the virus almost certainly came from an animal in Huanan market in Wuhan.

They said it was "only a matter of time" before they identified the crossover species behind transmission from bats to humans. The World Health Organisation quickly backed its claims. "The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan," it said.

Officials closed the market the day after notifying the WHO and sent in teams with strong disinfectants. Samples from animals were taken but, four months later, the results have not been shared with foreign scientists. The actions led to claims that they were deliberately wiping away crucial traces.

"The crime scene was completely gone," said Guan Yi, a University of Hong Kong expert. "How can we solve a case without evidence?"
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[www.biorxiv.org]
SARS-CoV-2 is well adapted for humans. What does this mean for re-emergence?

Our observations suggest that by the time SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in late 2019, it was already pre-adapted to human transmission to an extent similar to late epidemic SARS-CoV. However, no precursors or branches of evolution stemming from a less human-adapted SARS-CoV-2-like virus have been detected. The sudden appearance of a highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 presents a major cause for concern that should motivate stronger international efforts to identify the source and prevent near future re-emergence

Rubbish

Funny how they think they can talk about a novel virus
(by the way one definition of novel is fiction)
Without actually showing it exists

Plenty of discussion here showing all talk
about it is nonsense

[theinfectiousmyth.com]

Fresh:
Plenty of discussion here showing all talk
about it is nonsense

[theinfectiousmyth.com]:

Mad Cow disease is the most famous of the so-called spongiform encephalopathies, named after the erosion of the brain that is characteristic. Why did a large number of cows die just in England and why did it not spread to humans despite the widespread consumption of English beef?

Tai
The mad cow quote is from the website you linked. That statement about mad cow is so outrageously false. It DID spread to humans and caused enormous tragedy and grief, wailing and gnashing of teeth! The degree of the suffering to humans is tremendous!!! It's like SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome. Doctors are allowed to treat vaccine deaths as SIDS. Similarly, doctors are allowed to treat mad cow disease in humans as something other, so the numbers of infections were lower than the real numbers.
Mad cow disease changed people forever and taught the cattle industry a huge lesson.
That's just the first link I clicked on

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Fresh:
Plenty of discussion here showing all talk
about it is nonsense

[theinfectiousmyth.com]:

Mad Cow disease is the most famous of the so-called spongiform encephalopathies, named after the erosion of the brain that is characteristic. Why did a large number of cows die just in England and why did it not spread to humans despite the widespread consumption of English beef?

Tai
The mad cow quote is from the website you linked. That statement about mad cow is so outrageously false. It DID spread to humans and caused enormous tragedy and grief, wailing and gnashing of teeth! The degree of the suffering to humans is tremendous!!! It's like SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome. Doctors are allowed to treat vaccine deaths as SIDS. Similarly, doctors are allowed to treat mad cow disease in humans as something other, so the numbers of infections were lower than the real numbers.
Mad cow disease changed people forever and taught the cattle industry a huge lesson.
That's just the first link I clicked on

Tai

You're very good at making statements without evidence

You live in a evidence free zone that seems to work for you.

Prove it spread

Then prove a virus called covid19 spread

I don't think u even know what is required to prove it
Which is why you believe it

X got y
Z got y

Doesn't prove y infected x then spread to z

There are other more logical causes,
Namely common known toxins taken in by both x and z
NOT CONTAGIOUS GERMS

And once again DEBATE WITH THE AUTHOR instead of making blind statements

And notice how you IGNORE the virus existence issue on the site that was presented quite clearly and never answered



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Fresh I have pressing deadlines so I can't engage more now.