NN likes asking questions that have already been answered.
he just doesn't like the answers
and he has these ideas like people can't thrive raw vegan because
he knows people who have not (the answer being that most of whom were not raw vegan or there were other contributing factors)
and has wrong ideas about the impact of diet on longevity.

ANYWAY..

species specific diet means with respect to our anatomy what are we designed to eat. what can we procure, what appeals to us.

without tools or fire that is primarily raw plants just like other primates

we are defined BY SCIENTISTS as FRUGIVOROUS.

A frugivore is an animal that thrives mostly on raw fruits, succulent fruit-like vegetables, roots, shoots, nuts and seeds

it DOESN'T matter that many plants are bitter. if there are enough succulent plants then we can thrive. if not then not. depends on the environment.

so the question why doesn't IT exist in WILD , the answer is why should it?

are there perfect edens anywhere with abundant fruit for the local population?
no. that is one reason. there are other reasons, because the people in the WILD DON'T CARE about being vegan.

1. we CAN eat raw vegan anywhere. in our homes. in the wild. anywhere. b12 would not be needed in the wild. we know this because 1. people do it 2. nutrient analysis shows this

2. in the WILD nobody has the idea, let's eat raw vegan, it is a construct. humans or proto humans don't care. they eat to survive, if they have tools they will use them, if they have fire they will use it. if there is animal food they will eat it because they can. nevertheless primates are mostly frugivores.


3. the alleged fact that societies in "wild" don't eat raw vegan does not invalidate that it is a viable diet.

Will nn keep repeating this stupid question. Of course he will



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NN likes asking questions that have already been answered.

EXACTLY and that's probably because nn is NOT trying to have a conversation with any of us - he is trying to Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate, which is why I think nn is a SHILL.

[consciouslifenews.com]
I Was a Paid Internet Shill: How Shadowy Groups Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate

I Was a Paid Internet Shill
By Ex-Shill

I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).

She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. Intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”

I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”

Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections. The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.

If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

I was also given the job of trying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,
ExShill
[consciouslifenews.com]

He wants to
WARN people...

Interestingly that was the most common word used in all of the headlines posted about the so-called virus they're constantly warning us faucis warning us Redfield warning us warning warning treating us like little children

You are both so ludicrous it's unfathomable...

remember when david wolfe came out FOR trump
and you said, hmm maybe I'm missing something?
and for a brief moment you had some reality and clarity
then you shoved it back so you could resume your collectivist communist ways?
same thing here.

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remember when david wolfe came out FOR trump
and you said, hmm maybe I'm missing something?
and for a brief moment you had some reality and clarity
then you shoved it back so you could resume your collectivist communist ways?
same thing here.

That shows how open minded I am to information, but Trumps recent meltdown confirms what I see and the same behavior with JR.They can't see the damage they do, it's all about winning and their fragile ego.

“Those who think they know it all have no way of finding out they don't..”
-Leo Buscaglia
(That goes double for JR).

Fresh said:
So the question why doesn't IT exist in WILD , the answer is why should it?
Because it's OUR so-called species specific diet. No animal grows it's food or farms. Their diet exists in NATURE as is. Why not humans?

are there perfect edens anywhere with abundant fruit for the local population?
no. that is one reason. there are other reasons, because the people in the WILD DON'T CARE about being vegan.
So WE need to farm OUR diet you're saying? Why?

1. we CAN eat raw vegan anywhere. in our homes. in the wild. anywhere. b12 would not be needed in the wild. we know this because 1. people do it 2. nutrient analysis shows this
False, false, false. Let's see you eat out of the WILD for one month as a raw vegan. Have JR make a series of videos where he eats out of his local park for one month. That's armchair philosophy removed from the REALITY of NATURE. You can only eat that way by being supported by a INDUSTRIAL FARMING COMPLEX. That's even more ludicrous if you are supplying the amount of produce it would take to do a "SOLID FOOD VACATION".

3. the alleged fact that societies in "wild" don't eat raw vegan does not invalidate that it is a viable diet.
Prove it. Ever read "Life in the 21st Century" by Kulvinskas. Tons of raw foodist/fruitarians went to the tropics because of his writings, and soon found they couldn't survive without farming. They also found they couldn't farm on their raw vegan diet, as they felt they were starving and couldn't keep up with the labor required.

THEORY MUST EQUAL REALITY!!!
Freelee is probably the closest to walking the talk right now. DTM was kinda, but his boatload of supplements definitely not...

I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!

Question for fresh and JR:
Have you ever lived on a piece of land and attempted to produce your diet out in the WILD? I have, it's a humbling experience...

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1. once again it's pointless to banter with you. you post MSM garbage. the leftist media immediately comes out with its fact checking in unison. pathetic.

I NEVER address 99% of what nn writes and the ONLY time I ever read anything nn writes is when one of you guys quote him.

I gave up on nn a long time ago because he is NOT interested in having a discussion. I know because I have tried countless times.

The only time I reply after the T--U--R--D CRAPS on one of my Threads is to bring my Thread back to the TOPIC.

Some of you guys think I'm engaging him, but that is the LAST thing I want and nn knows that. I do NOT like CONFLICT and that is one of the main reasons why I BANNED him, as I BAN everybody who does that on my Channel. He's still pissed because I banned him from my YouTube Channel and he has ATTACKED me ever since. None of you guys really understand that because you're NOT in my shoes and you don't see what I see.

Everything nn does here is to DISTRACT everything we do here!

Most people don't know how they're being Tricked and it is a Trick or a Magic Act or a Sleight-of-Hand. It's that simple and it has to be that simple and that's why it works so often.

Pay attention - nn is always Changing the Subject and trying to BAIT any FOOL out there with a STRAW MAN who are NOT familiar with Con Artist Tactics.

I say FOOL because that's what's happening - you're being FOOLED - you're being TRICKED - you're being BAMBOOZLED - which is why I kept saying a while back - IGNORE THE T--U--R--D!!! But most of you guys have NOT studied Psychopathy NOR have you studied the Con Artist Handbook, so you don't know what to look for. Once you know what to look for, you'll be able to see the obvious and NOT get Tricked and Fooled again.

Remember, this is a SUPPORT Group and nn does NOT SUPPORT anything we do, but Prana somehow thinks this is acceptable, perhaps, because Prana just thinks nn is expressing his difference of opinion and like most people, have a difficult time spotting a SHILL because they have never studied Psychopathy and the Con Artist Handbook. Once again, once you know what to look for, you'll be able to see the obvious and NOT get Tricked.

Note: These are hyperlinks to my File Previews for my files on Con Artists and Psychopaths.

Pay attention - nn is always Changing the Subject and trying to BAIT any FOOL out there with a STRAW MAN who are NOT familiar with Con Artist Tactics.

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Pay attention - nn is always Changing the Subject and trying to BAIT any FOOL out there with a STRAW MAN who are NOT familiar with Con Artist Tactics.

PAY ATTENTION:
Whenever Rose is backed into a corner and cannot address the issues presented nor answer the simple questions asked, he SPAMS the board with a wall of repeated text which equals:

DISTRACTION!!!

(Who doesn't want to have a conversation? The guy AVOIDING the questions).

JR’s Con Artists File
JR’s Psychopath File
Internet Shills

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JR’s Con Artists File
JR’s Psychopath File
Internet Shills

I presented many points and pertinent questions above per the subject matter, and of course JR refuses to address them and instead resorts in lame character assassinations and myriad forms of DISTRACTION!!!

(WHO'S CHANGING THE SUBJECT??? COGNITIVE DISSONANCE???)

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fresh
1. once again it's pointless to banter with you. you post MSM garbage. the leftist media immediately comes out with its fact checking in unison. pathetic.

I NEVER address 99% of what nn writes and the ONLY time I ever read anything nn writes is when one of you guys quote him.

I gave up on nn a long time ago because he is NOT interested in having a discussion. I know because I have tried countless times.

The only time I reply after the T--U--R--D CRAPS on one of my Threads is to bring my Thread back to the TOPIC.

Some of you guys think I'm engaging him, but that is the LAST thing I want and nn knows that. I do NOT like CONFLICT and that is one of the main reasons why I BANNED him, as I BAN everybody who does that on my Channel. He's still pissed because I banned him from my YouTube Channel and he has ATTACKED me ever since. None of you guys really understand that because you're NOT in my shoes and you don't see what I see.

Everything nn does here is to DISTRACT everything we do here!

Most people don't know how they're being Tricked and it is a Trick or a Magic Act or a Sleight-of-Hand. It's that simple and it has to be that simple and that's why it works so often.

Pay attention - nn is always Changing the Subject and trying to BAIT any FOOL out there with a STRAW MAN who are NOT familiar with Con Artist Tactics.

I say FOOL because that's what's happening - you're being FOOLED - you're being TRICKED - you're being BAMBOOZLED - which is why I kept saying a while back - IGNORE THE T--U--R--D!!! But most of you guys have NOT studied Psychopathy NOR have you studied the Con Artist Handbook, so you don't know what to look for. Once you know what to look for, you'll be able to see the obvious and NOT get Tricked and Fooled again.

Remember, this is a SUPPORT Group and nn does NOT SUPPORT anything we do, but Prana somehow thinks this is acceptable, perhaps, because Prana just thinks nn is expressing his difference of opinion and like most people, have a difficult time spotting a SHILL because they have never studied Psychopathy and the Con Artist Handbook. Once again, once you know what to look for, you'll be able to see the obvious and NOT get Tricked.

Note: These are hyperlinks to my File Previews for my files on Con Artists and Psychopaths.

Pay attention - nn is always Changing the Subject and trying to BAIT any FOOL out there with a STRAW MAN who are NOT familiar with Con Artist Tactics.

JR’s Con Artists File
JR’s Psychopath File
Internet Shills

^^^^^ AND AGAIN THE HYPOCRITE CHANGES THE SUBJECT ^^^^^

The subject IS, for all who are lost in meaningless walls of text based DISTRACTION:
why doesn't OUR "species specific diet" exist in WILD nature like it does for all of the Creation? says NN

Watch him deflect yet again admitting HE HAS NO ANSWER BECAUSE HIS WHOLE PHILOSOPHY WOULD BE DESTROYED IF HE ADDRESSED IT!!!!

Let's bring this Thread back to the Original Topic...

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NN likes asking questions that have already been answered.

Indeed, I gave up on nn a long time ago because he is NOT interested in having a discussion. I know because I have tried countless times.

The only time I reply after the T--U--R--D CRAPS on one of my Threads is to bring my Thread back to the TOPIC.

Shelton:
By 1972 Dr. Shelton is bedridden for the rest of his life. The symptoms of what the medical world term "Parkinson's disease" have claimed the strong motor skills of Dr. Shelton's once muscular and vibrant body. The workaholism of his lifetime finally takes its toll. The myelin sheath that surrounds and protects the nerves of the body can wear out. The subjective experience is lack of motor control. Muscles atrophy, waste away. Strength is lost. Movement is difficult.

The tangled web he weaved for himself when he deceived himself all those years ended up making him a deathbed cocoon from which he could not rise. Dr. Shelton was left with legs that could not walk, left with hands that could not write, and left with vocal cords that could not speak.

1976 Vickey Bidwell, age 29, takes a 17 day fast at Dr. Shelton's Health School. She never formally meets Dr. Shelton. But she does see 2 attendants take him on walks, one on each side, holding him up, while he drags himself along. He is extremely emaciated. He certainly does not look like he could hold onto life another 19 years!



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Let's bring this Thread back to the Original Topic...

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NN likes asking questions that have already been answered.

Indeed, I gave up on nn a long time ago because he is NOT interested in having a discussion. I know because I have tried countless times.

The only time I reply after the T--U--R--D CRAPS on one of my Threads is to bring my Thread back to the TOPIC.

2 Groups of Needs Explains Virtually Every Objection Used by Cooked Food/Meat Eating Apologists

Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!

So if the raw vegan diet is OUR "species specific diet", how come kids turn to eating ants to survive? Can WE have multi generations birthing thriving children who can in turn reproduce healthfully for generations to come on a raw vegan diet?

Raw Kids Eating Ants!
- Jinjee's Journey

The things you find out later! Like, that
my 100% Raw Vegan children were secretly eating ants!!!

What made them go, hey do these crawling insects taste good? - I wonder if it was an instinct that they needed protein, the way some pregnant women in need of iron will instinctively eat dirt or cement crumbs.

I had heard of vegan kids scavenging in garbage bins, but as we lived in the boondocks that wasn't possible for ours.

Needless to say I'm horrified. Not as horrified as when one of my kids told me they were never aware of being hungry on raw because they had never known what it was like to be not hungry.

I'd like to say they are all doing fine now, and in most ways they are, but there are eating disorders, digestive issues, emotional issues around food, energy deficiencies, and blood sugar issues.

As a former proponent of feeding children a 100% raw vegan diet, I feel the responsibility now to state that I really don't believe that it is a good idea!

Let's bring this Thread back to the Original Topic...

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NN likes asking questions that have already been answered.

Indeed, I gave up on nn a long time ago because he is NOT interested in having a discussion. I know because I have tried countless times.

2 Groups of Needs Explains Virtually Every Objection Used by Cooked Food/Meat Eating Apologists

Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!
Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!

World's oldest man Carmelo Flores Laura discovered living in hut in Bolivia

A man aged 123, said to be the oldest person ever recorded, has been found living in a dirt-floor hut in Bolivia.

Illiterate herder Carmelo Flores Laura is still in good health, though all his teeth have gone, and doesn’t need a walking stick or glasses.

And the Aymara Indian was happy to share his secret to a lasting life: eating skunk and fox meat, avoiding sugar or pasta and taking long walks.

The father of three – who has 16 grandchildren and 39 great-grandchildren – was born on July 16, 1890, the civil registry reveals.

His daily diet has always included cananhua, a wild grain species rich in protein and amino acid, and occasionally pork and mutton.

Carmelo, widowed 10 years ago, said: “We only ate what we found in the wild.

"I shared the cooking with my wife. I’ve never been lazy – and I still go on long walks every day.”

His straw-roofed hut is in the isolated hamlet of Frasquia, 13,100ft up in the Andes near Lake Titicaca.

Relatives say he fought in a 1933 war with Paraguay but that apart has stayed near home.

Just one of his children, a son of 67, is alive.

Birth certificates did not exist in Bolivia in 1890 but the day he was born is on his baptism document.

This must be verified by the Guinness Book of Records before he can officially overtake Jeanne Calment of France, who died at 122 in 1997, as the oldest person on record.

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Dr. Shelton was left with legs that could not walk, left with hands that could not write, and left with vocal cords that could not speak.



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2 Groups of Needs Explains Virtually Every Objection Used by Cooked Food/Meat Eating Apologists
Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!
Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!

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Fresh said:
So the question why doesn't IT exist in WILD , the answer is why should it?
Because it's OUR so-called species specific diet. No animal grows it's food or farms. Their diet exists in NATURE as is. Why not humans?

already explained that.

are there perfect edens anywhere with abundant fruit for the local population?
no. that is one reason. there are other reasons, because the people in the WILD DON'T CARE about being vegan.
So WE need to farm OUR diet you're saying? Why?

no

1. we CAN eat raw vegan anywhere. in our homes. in the wild. anywhere. b12 would not be needed in the wild. we know this because 1. people do it 2. nutrient analysis shows this
False, false, false. Let's see you eat out of the WILD for one month as a raw vegan. Have JR make a series of videos where he eats out of his local park for one month. That's armchair philosophy removed from the REALITY of NATURE. You can only eat that way by being supported by a INDUSTRIAL FARMING COMPLEX. That's even more ludicrous if you are supplying the amount of produce it would take to do a "SOLID FOOD VACATION".

already explained that.

3. the alleged fact that societies in "wild" don't eat raw vegan does not invalidate that it is a viable diet.
Prove it. Ever read "Life in the 21st Century" by Kulvinskas. Tons of raw foodist/fruitarians went to the tropics because of his writings, and soon found they couldn't survive without farming. They also found they couldn't farm on their raw vegan diet, as they felt they were starving and couldn't keep up with the labor required.

already explained that.

THEORY MUST EQUAL REALITY!!!
Freelee is probably the closest to walking the talk right now. DTM was kinda, but his boatload of supplements definitely not...

theory does not need to match reality
because the theory is in a different set of
circumstances from the reality in this case.
YOU have no sense of time and space and reality

ok so freelee is doing it. your question has been solved
it only takes one to answer your question.
your search is over..

I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!

there is NOTHING TO BELIEVE IN!
you don't understand the world and have absurd expectations.
I have already explained several times that the world has changed to make it difficult to eat raw plants for humans. so what?

YOU are the one who is obsessed with this and think that it
proves something .

I am the one who is EATING what I think is best for ME NOW.

I have tried to answer your stupid questions.

that is the last time.

2 Groups of Needs Explains Virtually Every Objection Used by Cooked Food/Meat Eating Apologists
Satisfying 2 Groups of Needs EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!

As far as I know, I am the only one who has incorporated the Ripple Effect with the Law of Cause and Effect or, at least, I am the only one who has articulated it as such. The problem with our resident Shill - based on what he has already told us - is that nn lacks the mathematical aptitude to understand the Ripple Effect. Once we understand how the Ripple Effect enters the picture, we'll understand that our Species Specific Diet might not work for everyone and there's no use pointing this out to DISHONEST Skeptics as you pointed out below.

fresh wrote, <<<it's a waste of time to try to prove anything to someone who has already made up his mind.
there was a list of long lived vegans posted here I can't find it.
when you are given information you NEVER modify your position
that's why it's pointless to discuss things with you>>>

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fresh

I have tried to answer your stupid questions.

that is the last time.

Sure Pal...

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fresh wrote, <<<it's a waste of time to try to prove anything to someone who has already made up his mind.
there was a list of long lived vegans posted here I can't find it.
when you are given information you NEVER modify your position
that's why it's pointless to discuss things with you>>>

The simple mathematics of LONGEVITY, (more years LIVED) is so basic and yet fresh can't produce his supposed list of "long lived vegans and especially raw vegans" while I have posted an EXTENSIVE list of FAILURES attempting that philosophy and lifestyle thus the burden of proof is on you.

WE'll be waiting and make sure it's more than one as I have a laundry list...



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NuNativs twiddling his thumbs waiting for the LONG list of Raw Vegan Centenarians....

People who have lived to 100 share their longevity secrets

Science says that your diet, how much you exercise and your genes all play a role in determining how long you’ll live. Those who have lived to blow out 100 candles, however, say they’ve used other strategies for achieving their old age. Here, longevity tips from 11 centenarians around the world – some legit, some hilarious and some downright bizarre.

Agnes Fenton, 110
Agnes Fenton of New Jersey credits her 110 years to downing three bottles of Miller High Life and a glass of whiskey every day. She told ABC News in August 2015 that her booze-filled diet began 70 years ago, when a doctor advised her to drink the “Champagne of Beers” daily after finding that her only health problem was a benign tumor. Fenton followed her doctor’s orders for years, even adding some Johnnie Walker Blue Label into the mix, until her caretakers nixed the alcohol when she began to eat less.

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Dr. Shelton was left with legs that could not walk, left with hands that could not write, and left with vocal cords that could not speak.