Has anyone here referred to the above video here on this forum? I can't go through all the posts and comments to find out.

So, there's a bunch of highly qualified doctors and scientists ("World's Leading Experts") yapping away. They are against the vaccine but apart from that they don't seem to agree on everything. (OK by me.)

The first topic discussed is whether the sars cov2 virus has been isolated.

Whether it has or not, I don't know and I don't care. Step up here, people: is it just me or do you too find it unsettling, these people banging on about the tiny details and technicalities of virology, genetic sequencing, and all that other stuff incomprehensible to most of us? They are all practicing a truly crazy version of medicine (trees only, no forest). They are all looking deeper and deeper into near-invisible things; this is not what medicine is supposed to be in my idea of a halfways sane world.

Anyway, these docs occasionally do make some sense, but it looks to me like they are just having a pisssing match to see who's cleverest.

The reference to experimenting on animals (golden hamster) curls my toes.

Hate 'em all, I do.

<<<Whether it has or not, I don't know and I don't care.>>>

JR: Don’t go looking for Logical Fallacies in Systems with Invalid Structures.

JR Comment on 4-19-21: The Germ Theory of Disease is Invalid, which means we don’t have to waste any time looking at any of their Details or their Specifics or their Contents of their Argument. They’ve already Failed the Invalid Structure Test.

HOWEVER, if we are to look at one thing and one thing only, the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter.


Freedom Talk 2: Lanka, Cowan, and Kaufman
Posted by: John Rose
Date: April 23, 2021 03:25AM

[odysee.com]
Freedom Talk 2: Lanka, Cowan, and Kaufman
1:23:20 Minute Video

April 7th, 2021
@DrAndrewKaufman

Dean Braus interviews Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dr. Tom Cowan, and Dr. Andy Kaufman on some important questions of our time. This is part 1 in a series of discussions.

JR’s Notes:

“Water is fluid, soft, and yielding. But water will wear away rock, which is rigid and cannot yield. As a rule, whatever is fluid, soft, and yielding will overcome whatever is rigid and hard. This is another paradox: what is soft is strong.” -Lao Tzu



15:41 MM
Dr. Andy Kaufman: He [Bruce Lee] talked about being like Water, in that, whereas, if you fill a Tea Pot with Water, right, the Water becomes the Tea Pot - it takes on that form and it is so adaptable and we know that it can exert it’s influence to even erode massive rocks, right? And that if we have this Flexibility to take on different forms and that if we can be Weak and Yielding and also Firm and Strong at the appropriate times as Water, then we will Empower ourselves towards, you know, a Freer, Healthier Future for ourselves and that Effect will be amplified and emanated throughout, you know, the entirety of Humanity. 16:53 MM

16:53 MM
Dean Braus: Let me see if I can bring this in.

16:58 MM
Bruce Lee: This is what it is, OK? I said Empty your Mind, be Formless, Shapeless, like Water. Now you put Water into a Cup, it becomes the Cup. You put Water into a Bottle, it becomes the Bottle. You put it in a Tea Kettle, it becomes the Tea Kettle. Water can Flow or it can Crash. Be Water, my friend. 17:25 MM

17:35 MM
Dean Braus: That was the one you sent to me, right? [AK: Yeah, gives me chills, Dean.] Me too. Alright, let’s transition to the next part of our Panel Discussion, which is the crux of the matter, which I called it the Virus Isolation Claim. We have some recent Projects of yours that I will bring in afterwards, after the discussion and you will certainly talk about yours. Maybe Tom, would you like to start this time? Why the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter.

SLIDE
Why the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter.

18:18 MM
Dr. Tom Cowan: Right, so the interesting thing about this is if you just talk to normal people or you talk to Health Care Professionals, i.e. doctors and other Health Care people, and you say, so how do we if there’s a New Virus or even any Virus associated with Disease? I mean, most people give you answers like a lot of people get Sick that means it’s a Virus, which, obviously, is kind of ridiculous. But the people who have thought about it a little more and are sort of more “Scientific” about it say, well, what we do is we take a Sick person and we take some of their Fluid and then, we see if they have thousands or millions of Copies of this identical Virus and then, once we find that, we know that that Virus Caused that Disease. The fact of the matter is that, as far as I can tell, has NEVER actually been done. It certainly has NOT been done with SAR-CoV-2 and that’s shocking to people because they say, you mean you can’t find a Virus in the Secretions or Lung Fluid or Vesicles or Blood of a Sick person? And, you know, evcn for me, as even being part of the HIV-AIDS thing, it was very difficult to sort of wrap my brain around, like is that actually True?

Now the importance of that, as you said, if you can’t Isolate, and that just means Purify, so that you have these many, many Copies, like thousands or Copies of an identical Particle, right? That’s what we’re looking for - Not various shaped Particles - Not some Particles that are 10 feet tall and others that are 6 inches tall. You should find thousands of Copies of the identical Particle.

JR Comment on 4-19-21: The “You” and “We” are our so-called Experts.

Once that happens and only if that happens can you then characterize the Particle and see what it’s made of, see it’s Genetic Material if it has any, see what the Sequence of that Genetic Material is and then, see if that Particle, actually Causes Disease.

Now if you haven’t done that Isolation, you have No Idea what the Particle is made of - you have No Idea if you’re looking at a Brew of Genetic Material, where that Genetic Material is coming from and you have No Idea what that Particle can and can’t do.

It’s my Ping Pong Ball example. If you put a Ping Pong Ball in a bucket of Stones and Ice Cubes and you throw it at a wall, you will Never know that the Ping Pong Ball broke down the wall. Every Human being says the only way to do that is to Isolate the Ping Pong Ball and throw only that at the wall.

So since this Topic came up with us, I decided to scour the Medical Literature in the past week to see - there must be 1 Article, 1 Journal Published Article showing the Isolation of a Virus, a Pathogenic Virus from a Sick person. 22:03 MM

22:36 MM
...Rabies Virus Particles have been studied recently under the Electron Microscope by various investigators who found the Morphology of the Virus to be variable. 22:48 MM

23:03 MM
In other words, they looked for a Pig and found Pigs and Chickens and Horses and they said see, they’re all Pigs. Because we’re looking for something that’s Identical and they found all of these variety of shapes and so, that’s Not a single Virus and so, that’s Not Isolated.

I found other ones. I found a CDC Report that I’m also going to quote, so this is from the CDC July [June], 2020 and they were showing SAR-CoV-2 from various Tissue Cultures and they said, I’m quoting here, “SARS-CoV-2 showed robust nucleocapsid protein in both Vero cell types, less protein in HUH7.0 and 293T cells, and minimal protein in A549 and EFK3B cells.”

JR Insert from [wwwnc.cdc.gov] ...
Volume 26, Number 6—June 2020
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States
... SARS-CoV-2 showed robust nucleocapsid protein in both Vero cell types, less protein in HUH7.0 and 293T cells, and minimal protein in A549 and EFK3B cells.
End of JR Insert.

In other words, they took this Un-Purified stuff from a so-called COVID patient and grew it on these different Cell Lines and what they found then and this is what they call Isolation - what they found is when they grew it on Vero Cells, the Capsule, the Protein Capsule, it had lots of Protein and when they grew it on the HUH Cells, it had less Protein and then, when they grew it on the other Cell Line, it had almost No Protein. And to any normal Human being looking at that you would say that’s Not the same Virus - that Protein content came from the Tissue that you grew it on - Not from the Virus - that’s obvious and somehow this became the definition of Isolation to the CDC to Virologists.

In other words, at the end of hours of looking through PubMed I could not convince myself that there was a single example of an Isolated same Morphology, same Structure, same Genetic Material from one Sick Human being ever published in the Medical Literature. And maybe somebody knows different, but I certainly couldn’t find and I don’t think it exists. And once people realize that, there is No Virus, you can’t then say this Piece of the Sequence came from that Virus - you can’t say it Causes Disease. I hope this whole thing is over and we Never have to deal with this again. 26:06 MM

26:10 MM
Dean Braus: Yep, nothing to add again. Stefan, would like to continue this time?

26:18 MM
Dr. Stefan Lanka: Yeah, I think starting with Lao Tzu again, if you just show what happens in Virology, the Information… 33:20 MM

33:20 MM
Dean Braus: Andy, you sent me some SLIDES - tell me when you want to see them.

33:28 MM
Dr. Andy Kaufman: OK, yeah, thanks Dean; it’s really only that one Slide that I want to show because it answers this exact question, which I know is really an important one. 33:40 MM


34:41 MM
Dr. Andy Kaufman: But this is, in fact, the most important issue of the whole Pandemic to look at and you can bring up the Slide now as I go over why and I would like to say that the most important reason why this is the, go to Slide 10 please, perfect, thank you, so here is the, you know, most important reason #1 because this is the Truth that there is No such thing as a Virus that Causes Disease and this particular alleged Virus, SARS-CoV-2, has Not been Proven to exist at all. And once we realize that, if we say anything else, we’re Not telling the Truth. And, you know, for me, I think the most important way to Freedom, to advance Science and Knowledge, to achieve Health, Harmony and Balance in the World is to try to learn the Truth and then utilize that Truth to bring about those things and that is Paramount in all of our endeavors.

JR’s Version...
Why the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter.

There is No such thing as a Virus that Causes Disease and the Corona Virus, SARS-CoV-2, has Not been Proven to exist at all. And once we realize that, if we say anything else, we’re Not telling the Truth.

So when we look at everything we’re facing in terms of the Medical Science, like Tests, Mortality, Vaccines, Quarantines, Lock Downs and then, in terms of other Economic Policies, every single Policy, every single Test, every single Operation, every single Article and Website Data are all based upon the existence of this Virus

So if you understand there is No Virus, then you know all these things are False and you don’t have to waste time learning about PCR Test, studying Mortality Statistics or anything else.

JR: Don’t go looking for Logical Fallacies in Systems with Invalid Structures.

JR Comment on 4-19-21: The Germ Theory of Disease is Invalid, which means we don’t have to waste any time looking at any of their Details or their Specifics or their Contents of their Argument. They’ve already Failed the Invalid Structure Test.
End of JR’s Version.

Now if you also understand this, then all of these issues, OK, everything we’re facing in terms of the Medical Science, like Tests, Mortality, Vaccines, Quarantines, Lock Downs and then, in terms of other Economic Policies and, you know, etc. these are all, every single Policy, every single Test, every single Operation, every single Article and Website Data are all based upon the existence of this Virus.

So if you understand there is No Virus, then you know all these things are False and you don’t have to waste time learning about PCR Test, studying Mortality Statistics, I mean, one of the most diligent people it took 30 pages to write a paper just explaining Mortality Data, right? There’s No reason to do that because you know if anyone died, it wasn’t from a Virus.

So it really helps cut through all the confusing Information and Data that’s out there and you can understand everything in one instant once you understand this One Fact. And it’s also much, much easier to understand this Issue about the Virus because it’s simply a Yes or No question. Does the Virus exist - Yes or No? If it doesn’t exist, it can’t Cause Diseases, right?

So everything else is for some other reason and you can understand it immediately through that lense. And then, of course, beyond that we can Never know what is the True Cause of any Illness or Disease if we assume that it is Caused by something that it’s Not. And this is why, even though we have a hundred years of extensive Funding and Research being done in Health Care we’ve made hardly any progress. There are No Diseases, really, which can be Cured as a result of all of this Research.

So we’re really missing out on having actual True Health outcomes and then, of course, there are a lot of other False Narratives and Stories that have thrown in here maybe to subvert our efforts to people who understand that there’s No Serious Illness and to Distract us and etc. For example, you know, the fact that this has been a, you know, Government Engineered Virus that has been put out into the World.

Now there’s just No Evidence whatsoever to support that at all and you would understand that - it’s Not even possible if there are No Viruses that Cause Disease because if there are No Natural Viruses Causing Disease and passing from person to person, then how can they make one in a Laboratory, right?

So straight forward, this is, you know, without a doubt really the only Issue that you need to spend time figuring out and you really only need one to two hours of thought and consideration and looking at the material carefully to understand it. 39:12 MM

...Autopsies...

57:14 MM
Dr. Tom Cowan: And the same thing is if you Kill the Frog, there’s actually nothing more to understand about how Frogs live or the Life of a Frog. 57:23 MM


1:16:50 MM
Dr. Tom Cowan: And the best explanations for how things work are in Fairy Tales. They have exact descriptions, you know, how does it work, I mean, you know, not airplanes because they didn’t talk about that, but, you know, how does the World get Sick? Because the Materialistic Witch put a Spell on the World - that’s the Sleeping Beauty Story.

And how does the World Heal?

When the Prince decides they’re Not Afraid. Then the Toxic Thorns fall down and immediately the whole World is Healed and their use of words is this imaginative World that’s without sort of this naming Consciousness that we have decided is the only way to be. 1:17:43MM


Per Audio Tape JR# F1-20 - 04:14 made 4-19-21:

Why the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter.

There is No such thing as a Virus that Causes Disease and the Corona Virus, SARS-CoV-2, has Not been Proven to exist at all. And once we realize that, if we say anything else, we’re Not telling the Truth.

So when we look at everything we’re facing in terms of the Medical Science, like Tests, Mortality, Vaccines, Quarantines, Lock Downs and then, in terms of other Economic Policies, every single Policy, every single Test, every single Operation, every single Article and Website Data are all based upon the existence of this Virus

So if you understand there is No Virus, then you know all these things are False and you don’t have to waste time learning about PCR Test, studying Mortality Statistics or anything else.

JR: Don’t go looking for Logical Fallacies in Systems with Invalid Structures.

JR: The Germ Theory of Disease is Invalid, which means we don’t have to waste any time looking at any of their Details or their Specifics or their Contents of their Argument. They’ve already Failed the Invalid Structure Test.

If you can’t Isolate a Virus, that’s Never been done, then you have No idea what the Virus is made of - you have No idea if you’re looking at a Brew of Genetic Material, where that Genetic Material is coming from and you have No Idea what the Virus can and can’t do. All you know is it’s a Particle and you call it a Virus.

JR Insert from “Dr. Andrew Kaufman” file...
Now if you haven’t done that Isolation, you have No Idea what the Particle is made of - you have No Idea if you’re looking at a Brew of Genetic Material, where that Genetic Material is coming from and you have No Idea what that Particle can and can’t do.
End of JR Insert from “Dr. Andrew Kaufman” file.

If you put a Ping Pong Ball in a bucket of Stones and Ice Cubes and you throw it at a wall, you will Never know that the Ping Pong Ball broke down the wall. Every Human being says the only way to do that is to Isolate the Ping Pong Ball and throw only that at the wall.

...what we do is we take a Sick person and we take some of their Fluid and then, we see if they have thousands or millions of Copies of this identical Virus and then, once we find that, we know that that Virus Caused that Disease. However, that has actually NEVER been done and it certainly has NOT been done with the Corona Virus - SAR-CoV-2.

...
[End of F1-20] [404 words]

Per Audio Tape JR# F1-22 - 01:00 made 4-23-21:

So everything else is for some other reason and you can understand it immediately through that lens.

The fact that the Virus has Never been Isolated is really the only Issue that we need to spend time figuring out and we really only need one to two hours of thought and consideration and looking at the material carefully to understand it.

It’s Not that Complicated. Once we understand that there is No Virus, then we realize everything they’re doing to us in terms of the Medical Science, like Tests, Mortality, Vaccines, Quarantines, Lock Downs and then, in terms of other Economic Policies and, every single Policy, every single Test, every single Operation, every single Article and Website Data are all based upon the existence of this Virus. And if you understand there is No Virus, then you know all these things are False and you don’t have to waste time learning about the PCR Test or studying Mortality Statistics or anything else.
[End of F1-20] [162 words]

7-22-21

Who’s really behind YouTube’s censorship of medical researchers?

Google is behind YouTube’s censorship because of Google’s Vaccine Investment - see Video below and the new file I created today on the MEGA Group, which is a Group of Zionists Billionaires, where they were talking about it’s time for you, the Elite, to Control the New Hackable Animals and led them where you will.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman did a great job on the Alex Jones Show today describing Virus Variants - see Video below and my file on Virus Variations or Mutations.

[articles.mercola.com]
The Latest Google Censorship Due to Their Vaccine Investment

1:00:04 Minute Video

Story at-a-glance

• • YouTube’s parent company, Google, is directly invested in the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID “vaccine.” This is why YouTube censors anything that threatens the rollout and future profits of COVID-19 gene modification therapies
• Silicon Valley has been pushing to transform the health care system into a system based on telemedicine and personalized care through the use of artificial intelligence (AI). Google is heavily involved in this movement
• Google is also partnered directly with the U.S. military, which is increasingly working on a transhumanist agenda
• DARPA is heavily invested in transhumanist technologies for the use in soldiers, including brain-machine interfaces and other even more extreme ideas. They recently teamed up with the Wellcome Trust to create something called “Wellcome Leap,” a movement to usher in transhumanism
• Normally, there are very strict rules and regulations surrounding the testing and use of gene modification technology in humans. It’s only because they’re calling the COVID shots “vaccines” that they were able to get the EUA, which allows some standard safety regulations to be bypassed

In the video above, German attorney and co-founder of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss1),2,3 Dr. Reiner Fuellmich,4 interviews Whitney Webb, an independent investigative reporter, about who’s really behind YouTube’s censorship of medical researchers and their published works.

Google Is Invested in the COVID ‘Vaccine’

38:41 MM
Whitney Webb: Yea, but I think there’s a couple of different things there because he [Epstein] worked for more than one Intelligence Agency doing different things, but I think, honestly, his main handler at the end of the day is going to be this Group of Zionists Billionaires in the Key West called like the MEGA Group, which is, basically, the Leslie Wexner and the Bronfman Family both of whom have ties to Organized Crime going back to like the 20s and 30s who have a considerable amount of influence over both the US and Israeli Politics. 39:12 MM

47:38 MM
Whitney Webb: This is how the Elite view us now - Hackable Animals and this was right before COVID hit in March, you know. This was in January talking about Hackable Animals - time for you, the Elite, to Control the New Hackable Animals and led them where you will type of scenario. 48:00 MM

Here’s another Video…

[freeworldnews.tv]
MIT Scientist Exposes Covid-19 Hoax in Bombshell Interview - MUST SEE!
43:23 Minute Video

JR’s Notes:

0:00 MM
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: They sequenced this entire Genome and they did this in a way where they had, basically, Fragments of Genetic Material from whatever would be in someone’s lungs who was Sick, which would be a lot of different things and there turns out that there’s like 56 Million Individual Little Fragments of RNA and they sequenced those and we don’t know where any of those Individual Fragments are from because we didn’t get it from a Virus, right, and we don’t even know that there is a Virus because it wasn’t even shown.

So, basically, they put these Fragments into a Computer and the Computer combines them into over 3 Million possible Genomes and they pick one of those, tweak it to make it look like a Bat Coronavirus, which probably was a predetermined outcome, and then, they put that and they say this is the Index Genome, OK?

So then what they do is they put out a set of instructions, like a recipe, of how anyone around the world can now do this Experiment, except what they’re going to do is in the end is they’re going to compare it to that Index Sequence, which is totally contrived by a Computer. But since they’re Never going to get an exact match, right, because they’re Not actually testing a real thing, right, they’re just combining all of these random Sequences together.

So every time they repeat the Experiment by this recipe around the world and there’s been something like, I think someone said 40,000 of these things that have been done, NOT one matches exactly. They all are a little bit off and this is what happens when you try repeat an Experiment that’s Invalid is that you don’t get the same results. 1:47 MM

1:47 MM
You know, you can see that there’s a major effort everywhere to control people’s thinking on this and to make sure that they don’t question what’s going on and, you know, I really compare this to a cult-like situation because, you know, the Television, for example, … 2:06 MM


4:42 MM
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: Well, I really appreciate that and, you know, I like to start at the beginning because what happened is, you know, since the announcement of a Pandemic in March of 2020, we have been experiencing a total change in the way our Government handles things and, essentially, what they’ve done is an End Run around the Legislative Process and taken away many of our Freedoms and now, of course, they’re putting a lot of pressure on us to take an Experimental so-called Vaccine.

And so when this started occurring, I said, you know, I want to start at the Root Cause because really everything that has happened has been justified by the Virus. So I thought I’d start at square one and, you know, I come from a Scientific and Medical background, so I’m able to read the literature and understand what things are what. And so I started looking at the articles where they say that they’ve discovered a Novel Coronavirus and what I uncovered is that they put forth this Experimental Criteria that Proves the existence of a Virus, but when you take a closer look, it’s actually the Experiment itself that gives them the Proof they need even if you don’t even have any source of a Virus in the Experiment at all. And this was actually carried out recently by a Dr. Stefan Lanka in Germany who showed that he got the same Proof of a Virus by doing the Experiment without any Source of a Virus whatsoever.

And so I learned that they’ve Never, actually, taken a Sick person and pulled a Virus out of the Sick person directly and got it by itself in a Purified Isolated Form so they could study it. Instead, what they have done is, essentially, use a Computer to generate what they call an In Silico Genome, which is completely Computer generated and we know this by several ways. 1) Simply just looking at the Experiments that they do - you can see that they don’t start with an Organism with 1 Piece of Genetic Material - they start with a Big Mixture that they don’t even know what’s in it.

But also, the alleged PCR Diagnostic Test, which is based on this Genome Sequence, was, actually, used before they even had shown the presence of this New Virus in any way. In fact, it was made completely based on the published Genome Sequence from the SARS Virus in 2003, which also, by the way, was an In Silico Genome.

And then, we’ve seen other Evidence, for example, the Pictures that we see allegedly showing this Virus. Now many of them are just Artistic Renderings created by Graphic Artists and have nothing to do with reality. But the Pictures that from an Electron Microscope that are in Black and White that show these Round Particles with the so-called Spiked Dots on the outside that those have, actually, been shown in regular Kidney Biopsies from as early as 1999 when those people had nothing to do with SARS-Cov-2, obviously, or any Virus. And in the literature, the Scientists, the Kidney Doctors who wrote this Paper, they said straight out, these Particles are indistinguishable from what they call Viruses and this would be a point of confusion and should be paid attention to. And even in their article, they alluded to the CDC, which actually published another Paper about this issue previously.

And so, all of the Scientific Community is somewhat aware of this confusion, but they Never acknowledge it and they just, basically, pretend that this Virus is real. And why this is so important is because, obviously, if there was NOT an actual Virus that’s even been discovered to be real, then you can’t have a Genome, it can’t Cause a Disease, it cant’t spread from person to person or do anything if it doesn’t exist. And once you can understand this based on the Evidence that is widely available and published, then it’s really easy to understand everything that’s going on and, of course, all of the Fears about your Health being affected by this Invisible Boogie Man simply disappear. 9:18 MM

AJ:

10:30MM
Dr. Andrew Kaufman:

AJ:

13:55 MM
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: Yeah, I’d be happy to. So I described before that [0:00 MM] they sequenced this entire Genome and they did this in a way where they had, basically, Fragments of Genetic Material from whatever would be in someone’s lungs who was Sick, which would be a lot of different things and there turns out that there’s like 56 Million Individual Little Fragments of RNA and they sequenced those and we don’t know where any of those Individual Fragments are from because we didn’t get it from a Virus, right, and we don’t even know that there is a Virus because it wasn’t even shown.

So, basically, they put these Fragments into a Computer and the Computer combines them into over 3 Million possible Genomes and they pick one of those, tweak it to make it look like a Bat Coronavirus, which probably was a predetermined outcome, and then, they put that and they say this is the Index Genome, OK?

So then what they do is they put out a set of instructions, like a recipe, of how anyone around the world can now do this Experiment, except what they’re going to do is in the end is they’re going to compare it to that Index Sequence, which is totally contrived by a Computer. But since they’re Never going to get an exact match, right, because they’re Not actually testing a real thing, right, they’re just combining all of these random Sequences together.

So every time they repeat the Experiment by this recipe around the world and there’s been something like, I think someone said 40,000 of these things that have been done, NOT one matches exactly. They all are a little bit off and this is what happens when you try repeat an Experiment that’s Invalid is that you don’t get the same results. 15:47 MM [1:47 MM]

15:47 MM
But, of course, all of these different results they call Variants and this is a very important Scheme to not only continue the Fear, but to Ramp it Up and then use this to justify everything. But they haven’t Isolated and Characterized any one Variant at all and they’ve Never done any Studies even where they look at the actual Clinical Outcomes. Generally, what they do is they do some kind of Computer Simulation that says this maybe more Transmissible or more Dangerous, but it’s really, probably, you know, just people sitting around and saying how can we make this scary and how can we Fudge the Science to make it look like it backs that up? 16:30 MM

20:48 MM
AJ: Look, they made a lot of Science Fiction Movies and Authoritarian Movies where the Government uses the Fear of Virus to take control. V for Vendetta did that back in, you know, 2005 - 2006 whenever it came out. 21:00 MM

22:32 MM [1:47 MM]
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: You know, you can see that there’s a major effort everywhere to control people’s thinking on this and to make sure that they don’t question what’s going on and, you know, I really compare this to a cult-like situation because, you know, the Television, for example, … 22:51 MM [2:06 MM]

23:41 MM
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: But, you know, some people, many people are realizing that Allopathic Health Care System, which is turning, you know, into this Bio-Surveillance and Transhumanists Establishment is not available for people any more, right? 23:57 MM

New

[www.bitchute.com]

I have read through the above, plus watched the interview with Cowan & Kaufman. Thanks to both of you.


"Why the Virus Isolation Claim is the crux of the matter."

Only to a point, i.e., they therefore have no basis for claiming transmission.

But supposed they have isolated a virus - my question is so what. Does that absolutely prove that the virus somehow causes symptoms? Maybe we need a definition of "cause". My own thinking is that viruses are somehow doing nature's work of dealing with a pre-existing pathological condition.


Kaufman refers to germs' saprophytic function. But who is willing to accept this is the point. There will be a hundred pro-lockdown doctors who say that Kaufman is full of baloney, so what are we left with? We are left with governments and their truly stupid Chief Medical Officers being permitted by the System to do anything and everything to "save" us. Why do they get away with their fairy tales and their excesses of public health orders? Because the majority of people want to be "saved", that's why.

The general public loves the idea of their largely self induced illnesses being undeserved, the actions of a nasty Mother Nature. SMH.

This is about the creation of two classes - the Obedient and the Non-Obedient. How this may play out makes my skin crawl.

Well said Horsea

Although
They went a little off the rails for me at the end of the video

PS. Is it any accident that Dr. Cowan & Kaufman were not part of the Roundtable? The participants in the Roundtable are only halfways there. Still fixated on viruses and "germs".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2021 03:12PM by Horsea.

Quote
fresh
Well said Horsea

Although
They went a little off the rails for me at the end of the video

You mean the supposedly woo woo stuff about morphogenetic fields, resonance, and all that sort of thing? These ideas might turn off some folks, but maybe there is something to it. The 3-way conversation just naturally slithered (in a legitimate way) into these kinds of non-scientific things. But maybe this all needs to turn around into a hard look at the socalled scientific method. That method itself is not a direct path to God.

As always, these doctors reiterate that "we don't know everything". A kind of escape clause that all science-based people latch onto at the end of any discussion. And that is why we need to have 100% freedom in health matters, a separation of medicine and state. How do we achieve this? Chipping away at the structure of our govt-enforced, bullschit form of medicine? Not sure about that but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Maybe some strong medicine is needed to put certain parties in their place. Somebody has to do SOMETHING.

Thanks, Horsea! I sort of 'follow' a lot of those doctors. I'm interested in what they have to say!

Here's a link to an article about The Awareness Foundation Roundtable -

Awareness Foundation COVID-19 Roundtable

[www.globalresearch.ca]

Link to the video -

[inoneplace.com]

Fourteen of the worlds highest-profile doctors, all specialists in their own fields, come together to discuss the dangers that we all face from the Covid 19 pandemic. They discuss in detail the merits and the dangers posed by the vaccines that are being rolled out and pushed onto society.

Hear their honest opinions and learn about the censorship that they have all faced from speaking out. Discussing together in one place for the first time, learn from the experts and heed their warnings.

Presented by Katherine Macbean of The Awareness Foundation

Featuring the following specialist:

Professor Dolores Cahill
Dr Ryan Cole
Dr Richard Fleming
Dr Dmitry Kats
Dr Tess Lawrie
Dr Li-Meng Yan
Dr Robert Malone
Dr Peter McCullough
Dr Joseph Mercola
Dr Lee Merritt
Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Dr Richard Urso
Dr Sam White
Dr Vladimir Zelenko

I listened to about an hour and a half of this forum so far, and I love it! The part that starts with the questioning of 'the virus doesn't exist because it was never isolated, etc.' is interesting. I think it was Dr. Fleming who had a dissenting opinion on that. I don't understand all 'the science' of it, but it's still good.

(At 22:40 minutes is the question of Isolation of the Virus)

The Doctors I like on here - Dr. Lee Merritt, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Mercola, Professor Cahill, McCullough, are good. There is talk in the Comment section about Dr. Malone, that maybe he's like 'controlled opposition' or something, but I guess we should hear both sides of an issue.

They started talking about 'shedding' (transmission) and that's one of my big interests! I think I picked up something from both my flight to CA and back home again! I have 'symptoms'

So Dr. Malone went after Dr. Merritt and Dr. Tenpenny about the 'shedding' thing, which bugged me, but they weren't cowed by 'the science' of Dr. Malone.

(The discussion of the issue of 'shedding' started at 50:40 minutes.)

Apropos now along with "Alex Jones was right!" -

"May you live in interesting times!"

[en.wikipedia.org]

Quote
Jennifer

Apropos now along with "Alex Jones was right!" -

"May you live in interesting times!"

Also this -