Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
rawnoggin
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Date: March 13, 2008 11:04AM I have an A. Vogel pamphlet at home that came with a sprouter-thing of mine. Under red clover, it says it has B12. I think this might have been the only (or one of the very few) sprout listed with B12.
I really didn't think any sprouts had B12? I can't see why they would. It's an old pamphlet (4-5 years old, at least, I think), and the information isn't repeated on their web site or anywhere else on the web, for that matter! Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
Simple Living
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Date: March 13, 2008 05:21PM cleanse dot net says this about red clover:
It doesn't say anything specifically about B12. But, about B12, I found the following:
I hope this helps in some way. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
rost0037
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Date: March 13, 2008 05:58PM Unfortuntely, it is well-known by scientists that the B-12 in these foods is actually analogues that *interfere* with absorption of B-12. Some older tests (not accurate) used to count these analogues as B-12, which is why it was thought that they had B-12. But they can actually lead the to opposite effect.
Vegan Outreach has good info on this--> [www.veganhealth.org] Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
Leesah
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Date: March 13, 2008 06:14PM I recently learned that the B-12 in "superfoods" is likely the analog (as you say rost0037). It was very disheartening.
I've been drinking Odwalla Vanilla Almondo protein drinks b/c its says it has 100 % of B12. I tried reading the ingredients to figure out where the B12 was coming from and all it said was B12. Here the list of ingredients: Organic Soymilk (Water and Organic Soybeans) Organic Oatmilk(Organic Oat Flour and Pure Filtered Water) Banana Puree Organic Evaporated Cane Juice Isolated Soy Protein Ground Almonds Vanilla Extract Natural Flavors Tricalcium Phosphate Zinc Gluconate Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) Vitamin B12 Does this mean the put some type of supplement in the beverage? I love the drink (as part of my non-raw 15%). Any thoughts as to whether or not this is a good way for me to get my B12? Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
rost0037
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Date: March 13, 2008 07:04PM I bet Odwalla adds it, I don't think they would lie about that on the label. For exmaple, lots of soymilk makers add B-12, it's not from the soy. So it would be real B12, like if you buy a B12 supplement. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: March 13, 2008 08:58PM Leesah, essentially all B12 comes from bacteria. There is a way to make it in the lab but it is much more expensive and has much lower yield than what bacteria can do. Therefore I would not be concerned if it came from a supplement. The bacteria still did the work. Better to get it that way than to kill an animal for it, or to do without. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
rawnoggin
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Date: March 13, 2008 10:18PM Thanks for the replies :-)
That Vegan Outreach article was good (read it quickly, will go through it properly again later). Can I ask a (possibly stupid!) question? Aside from the B12 in the red clover sprouts (which I'm thinking is more an error/misprint), it makes you wonder WHY (from a natural perspective) we can have foods such as spirulina- which are very nutritious- have a screw-up whereby the fake B12 messes with our own B12? It'd be like finding out that apples have a vitamin that destroys other nutrients in our bodies. Seems a bit weird. Could this be because the natural plant sources of B12 (spirulina etc) are usually processed? If you ate freshly harvested seaweed, I imagine there would be a lot of bacteria in there as opposed to the final, sanitised product we buy in the shops wrapped in plastic? With the tests that are done, I can't imagine a lot of money being invested in proving that there are fresh vegan sources of B12 (when the big money is in supplements and dry superfoods) so I'm kind of dubious of them. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
Lillianswan
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Date: March 13, 2008 11:06PM B12 is a bacteria that grows in the soil, think of the growing conditions in the soil - damp just like you keep your sprouts damp - there are also seeds in the soil for B12 to grow on just it grows on your clover sprouts. If you get plant material damp and let it sit around for a few days you are going to get B12 growth.
My question is, how can it be an analogue if the growing conditions are perfect for B12 growth? Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
mira
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Date: March 13, 2008 11:30PM i agree with aragula and Lillianswan
B12 is a bacteria... I dont wash my organic vegatables (like carrots, they always have a little bit of soil on them) and i dont know if my levels are ok, but i think they are Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
rost0037
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Date: March 14, 2008 02:38AM Natural plants don't need B12, so they don't have it. And the analogue exists because it fits into the ecology somewhere else, even if there's no known purpose for humans. Basically I would say--not everything is designed for humans and that's okay. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
Cynderella
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Date: July 09, 2017 08:34PM Hi Everyone,
Just wonder if anyone has any new research on B12. Has anyone done anymore recent studies on Red Clover, and Comfrey? I really think Comfrey got a bad rap, and it maybe no coincidence( Conspiracy), since I read that it has B Complex, including B12. These, plus the Clover, Broccoli Sprouts, sea weeds, (& of course, Nutritional Yeast) are my plant resources to refer to at this time. I see so much on the web about B12's only source as being meat &/or supplementation, so I really want to clear the research on these great Plant based resources, so we can tout about them more and let those meat eaters realize how WE have special monopoly resources. As a Plant Based Well Life Coach I do believe such referenced adds (especially, by Vegan authors, themselves), deter people from a full plant based lifestyle. I may even do the research myself, as a Dissertation topic, coming up soon. If someone knows a biologist who might team with me on B12 research, please send them my why. So, if anyone has recent research, or knows someone interested in Team studies on these, as B12 foods, please have them chat here &/or contact me at Health Energy Earth Options,512-297-4696. The phone doesn't always ring in, so please leave a vm with best times to return the call & I will do my best to get w/ it asap. Thanks, & ttfn, Happy Vegans Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
RawPracticalist
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Date: July 10, 2017 12:42AM [www.veganhealth.org] Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
Tai
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Date: July 10, 2017 06:55AM Cynderella,
I love comfrey. It's my favorite top pick for leafy greens because of its medicinal value. I know a raw vegan increased his b12 just by eating more organic leafy greens (not comfrey though), so it seems soil health has a lot to do with b12. There's definitely a conspiracy against comfrey in the U.S. Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
The Sproutarian Man
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Date: July 10, 2017 11:40PM The peer reviewed research suggests that sprouts do have some B12, but not near enough. Yes, l do recall red clover having some B12, but still, not near enough.
When l lived on large quantities of red clover sprouts for a long period of time l still needed to supplement B12. www.thesproutarian.com Re: Red Clover Sprouts = Source of B12???
Posted by:
RawPracticalist
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Date: July 11, 2017 12:26PM >The peer reviewed research suggests that sprouts do have some B12, but not near enough
Yes. Not enough b12 but many vegans do not look at the research. This x plants has b12, this y plant has b12. It is better to supplement to be on the safe side. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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