I've narrowed down my selection to either:

1. Omega 8003/8005/8006 (Single Auger Dual Stage)
2. GreenStar GS3000 (Twin Gear)

At first glance, the Omega 8003/8005/8006 seems like the right choice. It offers double the warranty at half of the price of the GreenStar. Not to mention half of the cleaning time and single auger is less pulpy, better for fruits.

But then, on a closer look... What's with that PLASTIC auger? And, how does it offer double the warranty with that plastic thingy? Is it because of the low RPM? And, why does the GreenStar (which look like a rock) offers only a 5yr warranty?

Anybody with experiences of both juicers, please shed some light on me!

-Many Thx!

I'd go with the Omega 8006, with the new super-hard GE
Ultem material -- 8 times harder than the Omega 8005 Juicer auger.
Plus, you'll like the clean-up....so much easier than the twin-gear...WY

Wheatgrass Yogi,

Someone complained about plastic scraping off the Omega 8005 at:
"[www.epinions.com];

"The rotating auger grinds against the juicing insert actually scraping off trace amounts of the plastic!!! I tried 3 machines of the same model all displaying the same problem. The Co. Sent me a replacement one afterwards, but the same issue persisted. The auger shouldn't make contact with the juicing insert under it; what do you think happens when plastic and metal grind together."

I've never seen a single auger in action. I don't quite get how that can happen.

I've tried a twin gear juicer at my friend's place before. Can't remember which brand. It was a lot of work. You have to cut up the carrots in a certain way and force them in. It was very slow. And, it kept jamming up with spinach or some similar leafy greens. Cleaning was also bad.

Overall, I don't want to eat plastic. But, the twin gear is just not very practical either.

-rawie

It's not Rocket Science. I'd say all Juicers 'rub'
somewhere until they're seated. The produce being juiced helps
this situation by getting between the parts. If you're worried,
I'd run some 'trial' juicings until the juicer is 'broken-in'.
I have an Omega 8003 that I use for Celery Juice....WY

Just try to place an order at [www.omega8006juicer.com]. It's on back order. Have to wait for another two weeks...bummer...

Rawie Wrote:
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> Have to wait for another two
> weeks...bummer...
I just checked HarvestEssentials.com and
DiscountJuicers.com, and it's on 'back order' there too.
But at Discount Juicers it'll be available 4/8. I've
bought several juicers from them over the years...WY

WY, What do you think about Super Angel? Is that basically a beef-up GreenStar? It seems to have less parts. I wonder if cleaning is still a pain in the neck?

-rawie

Rawie Wrote:
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> WY, What do you think about Super Angel? Is that
> basically a beef-up GreenStar? It seems to have
> less parts. I wonder if cleaning is still a pain
> in the neck?
Someone here posted negative comments about
the Super Angel 3500. I think it was on gear clearance
if I remember correctly.
I can't picture you cleaning that 'monster' on a daily
basis. Those twin gears are heavy, and bulky. I've owned
many Commercial juicers over the years, and have found that
smaller is better...WY

WY, I'm wondering if the augers of the 8005 and the 8006 are interchangeable? If they're, I can just get the 8005, and if I don't like the auger or if it breaks after 10yrs, I can just get the replacement for $30 and still come out ahead.

--

I wish we could get someone here to post
on the virtues of owning a GreenStar. I've owned several
twin-gear Juicers. I didn't like any of them. Omega Juicers,
the Best manufacturer of juicers (imho) even came out with
a big twin-gear model about 10 years ago. They soon discontinued
it. I guess they felt it was better to 'drop' it rather than
update it. A friend of mine owned one, and I used it several
times, hating it every time. It had big twin-gears, but the
Carrots were still hard to push through. I've owned a small
twin-gear, the Samson Ultra. The gears are too small for serious
juicing. I've owned a GreenLife (the big Brother to the GreenStar).
I had gear problems with it and even called the President of
TriBest. That's a long story, so I'll stop here...WY

Rawie Wrote:
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> WY, I'm wondering if the augers of the 8005 and
> the 8006 are interchangeable?
This is getting frightening...you're beginning
to think the way I do. Yes, they are interchangeable. In
fact, I'm using the new 8006 auger and housing with my old
Omega 8003. The two augers look the same, but the new 8006
is more efficient, as well as being 8 times harder than the
8003....WY

Hi WY,

I called fernsnutrition.com. They also don't recommend the Angel for home use.

>I wish we could get someone here to post
>on the virtues of owning a GreenStar....
>A friend of mine owned one, and I used it several
>times, hating it every time.
>
Same here! I've tried my friend's twin gear once, and hated it. My friend swears by it, even though he doesn't use it himself. Go figure? In fact, he trashes the single auger, yet he uses a centrifugal on a daily basis!?!

>This is getting frightening...you're beginning
>to think the way I do.
>
Yes, we're definitely on the same page!

>I'm using the new 8006 auger and housing with my old
>Omega 8003.
>
Why would you do that? Is your 8006 broken?

>Yes, they are interchangeable.
>
Great. Save me a call to Omega.

>The two augers look the same, but the new 8006
>is more efficient
>
More efficient in what way? I thought the shape of the augers are identical; just the materials are different. Would you elaborate on that.

-Many, Many Thx!

Rawie Wrote:
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> he trashes the single auger, yet he uses a
> centrifugal on a daily basis!?!
I love my centrifugal (Omega 4000) for Carrot Juice.

> >I'm using the new 8006 auger and housing with my
> old Omega 8003.
> >
> Why would you do that? Is your 8006 broken?
It's strictly a Vanity issue. The black-and-chrome
of the 8006 doesn't go in my kitchen next to the white Omega 4000.

> More efficient in what way?
More juice with dryer pulp...WY

WY,

Now, I'm really confused...

I thought that the 8006 has the exact same motor and gear as the 8005, how could it give more juice with dryer pulp?

Also as efficient as 8006 can be, it's still not good enough for carrots or any root vegetables for that matter? I assume you only use the 8003 for leafty greens?

-rawie

Rawie Wrote:
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> Now, I'm really confused...
I thought we were on the same page?
>
> I thought that the 8006 has the exact same motor
> and gear as the 8005, how could it give more juice
> with dryer pulp?
The 'tail' of the 8006 auger is thinner than
the 8003. There may be other small differences too. That,
and the hardness, makes it more efficient.
>
> Also as efficient as 8006 can be, it's still not
> good enough for carrots or any root vegetables for
> that matter?
Carrots are still difficult to push through. I juice
2 1/2 pounds of Carrots every morning. My centrifugal makes easy
work of them.

> I assume you only use the 8003 for leafty greens?
I use leafy greens only in smoothies. My 8003 is strictly
for Celery Juice. I also have a separate juicer (Wheateena
Green Label) for Wheatgrass.
Three juicers and One blender do it all for me...WY

>The 'tail' of the 8006 auger is thinner than
>the 8003. There may be other small differences too. That,
>and the hardness, makes it more efficient.
>
I see. The shapes are not identical, but close enough to be interchangeable.

>Carrots are still difficult to push through. I juice
>2 1/2 pounds of Carrots every morning. My centrifugal makes easy
>work of them.
>
I do lots of root vegetables, carrots, beets, etc. I've owned a few centrifugals from the most expensive Breville to the Jack LeLang. To be honest, I like the Jack LeLang the best even though it's the cheapest. I should consider the Omega 5000 since we seem to share similar feature requirements.

>I use leafy greens only in smoothies. My 8003 is strictly
>for Celery Juice.
>
Good for celery only? Why can't your centrifugal juice the celery?

I often juice cucumbers, apples, and grapefruits besides carrots, and beets. Can the Omega 8006 do these reasonably well? I'm thinking perhaps I'd use baby carrots instead of regular carrots if that's what it takes.

I wanted the auger style partly because centrifugal can't do leafy greens, and partly because I know the auger (or twin gear) can extract as well as preserve the nutrients much better. If the 8006 can't juice these efficiently, then I might as well stick with the centrifugal.... I thought a citrus juicer for grapefruits and the Omega 8006 should take care of the rest. Apparently, I might need a wheatgrass juicer and another centrifugal for carrots and beets.

>I also have a separate juicer (Wheateena
>Green Label) for Wheatgrass.
>
Can it juice other leafy greens like spinach or parsley?

>Three juicers and One blender do it all for me
>
Have you consider the Normal Walker juicer. Would that one just do it all? I also tried the blender route. In fact I just broke another BlendTec 3hp blender.
(Well, I'm known to break things... I suppose that's how I learn about that. Anyways, that's another story).....

Hope we're back on the same page.

-rawie

Rawie Wrote:
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> .......I should consider the
> Omega 5000 since we seem to share similar feature
> requirements.
The Omega 5000 is a Citrus juicer.

> .....Why can't your centrifugal juice the celery?
For some reason it puts too much air (causing
foam) into the juice. The Carrots aren't affected that
way.

> I often juice cucumbers, apples, and grapefruits
> besides carrots, and beets. Can the Omega 8006 do
> these reasonably well?
Yes. If I had to have only one Juicer, it would
be the Omega 8006. It does everything reasonably well.

> I thought a citrus juicer for grapefruits and the Omega 8006 should take care of
> the rest. Apparently, I might need a wheatgrass
> juicer and another centrifugal for carrots and
> beets.
Your Jack LaLanne should do Carrots for now. I've never owned one,
but have seen them advertised on TV.
I forgot about the Breville Citrus Press I own. It's the
best, but the Omega 5000 should serve you well. I owned one years
ago, but in my search for the BJs (best juicers), I chose the Breville
citrus juicer over the Omega 5000.

> Have you consider the Normal Walker juicer. Would
> that one just do it all?
I've owned a Norwalk Press Juicer. I considered that
as Cruel-and-Unusual punishment. It was a 'mess', without going
into the details.

> Hope we're back on the same page.
I would say so. Your choices....Jack LaLanne, Omega 5000,
and Omega 8006 should prepare you to juice anything you want.
Best Wishes....WY

WY,

>The Omega 5000 is a Citrus juicer.
>
I'm sorry, I meant Omega 4000. I'm also looking for a citrus juicer. I'm planning to get the Breville Diecast Juice Press. It's the only one I found that it's all metal.

>For some reason it puts too much air (causing
>foam) into the juice. The Carrots aren't affected that
>way.
Without looking at the spec, it might be the rpm is too high? I tried two other Breville centrifugals: the compact juice fountain, and the very powerful elite. I prefer the Jack Lalanne over them. It does carrots, celery, cucumber and even citrus fruits quite reasonably well. It doesn't do beets very well. Probably nothing really does, except maybe the Champion.

>I've owned a Norwalk Press Juicer. I considered that
>as Cruel-and-Unusual punishment. It was a 'mess', without going
>into the details.
>
LOL! You mean the $2000+ *lengendary* Norman Walker Hydraulic Juice Press
(http://www.nwjcal.com/the_juicer.htm). LOL!

>Your choices....Jack LaLanne, Omega 5000,
>and Omega 8006 should prepare you to juice anything you want.
>
How about the Wheateena? Can it do leafy greens like spinach or parsley with it?

-many thx!

Rawie Wrote:
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> I'm sorry, I meant Omega 4000.
Good choice. I Love mine.

> I'm also looking for a citrus juicer. I'm planning
to get the Breville Diecast Juice Press. It's the only
one I found that it's all metal.
It's also a Work-of-Art. It won a prestigious
Engineering Award when it first came out. I use mine in
Nov.-Dec. every year when my Citrus Trees are producing.

> It doesn't do beets very well. Probably nothing
> really does, except maybe the Champion.
Beets are too 'messy' for me. I've decided that
I can live without them.

> How about the Wheateena? Can it do leafy greens
> like spinach or parsley with it?
It has a very small auger....just perfect for a few
ounces of Wheatgrass Juice each time. The best juicer for Greens
would be a larger single-auger model, like the 8003, or the 8006....WY

WY,

I saw a couple of Omega 8003 videos on youtube, it's very slow and a bit of struggle to do carrots and spinach. I see why you have to use the centrifugal. I'm hoping the 8006 is better than that.

The Champion on the other hand looks a lot easier, but don't know if it's good enough for 2.5lbs of carrots. I read that it tends to jam up after a while. Do you have any experience with the Champion, or any horror stories to tell? I'm planning to get one from eBay, used is going for $30, brand new, G5-NG-853S (not the 2000+) for ~$100.

-rawie

Rawie Wrote:
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> ....... I read that it tends to jam up after a
> while. Do you have any experience with the
> Champion, or any horror stories to tell? I'm
> planning to get one from eBay, used is going for
> $30, brand new, G5-NG-853S (not the 2000+) for
> ~$100.
The Champion Juicer has remained basically unchanged
since it's inception (50 years??). When I first started juicing
I owned a Champion, and used it for many years juicing Carrots.
It has problems with the screen clogging up, and also with the
auger trying to 'work' its way off the shaft (pulp collects behind
it if the auger isn't seated properly). In its favor, it is very
easy to clean.
For juicing 2 1/2 pounds of Carrots, day-in and day-out, like I do,
I want easy (not necessarily the Best). That's why I favor a centrifugal
over an Auger, or twin-gear, Juicer...WY

rarely have i seen a two people thread take on such gargantuan proportions and so swiftly to it may i add.

thank you yogi.....i'm in the middle of spring cleaning, dandelion picking and eight iron pitch shots over the garden fence. making carrot apple beet lemon and ginger(if i can find some) with satisfyingly little difficulty in my greenstar.

makes me feel like i'm touting a fancy sports car here. well then..... make it a 1967 auustin healey mark 3, 3000. that's what a green star is compared to a deux cheveau.

rawie shall buy what he likes. it is not my joy to bend his ear away his omega single gear.

jj

rarely have i seen a two people thread take on such gargantuan proportions and so swiftly to it may i add.
oops.....i posted this on the other thread ...welll any ways i'll just c/p it over here..
thank you yogi.....i'm in the middle of spring cleaning, dandelion picking and eight iron pitch shots over the garden fence. making carrot apple beet lemon and ginger(if i can find some) with satisfyingly little difficulty in my greenstar.

makes me feel like i'm touting a fancy sports car here. well then..... make it a 1967 auustin healey mark 3, 3000. that's what a green star is compared to a deux cheveau.

rawie shall buy what he likes. it is not my joy to bend his ear away his omega single gear.

juicin' john

juicin' john Wrote:
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> rarely have i seen a two people thread take on
> such gargantuan proportions and so swiftly to it
> may i add.
You may blame Rawie for that. She just 'pulls' it
out of me.

> thank you yogi.....i'm in the middle of spring
> cleaning, dandelion picking and eight iron pitch
> shots over the garden fence. making carrot apple
> beet lemon and ginger(if i can find some) with
> satisfyingly little difficulty in my greenstar.
Enjoy!! I'm having Carrot Juice with a little pulp
these days. I find it moves through me better than Green
Smoothies.
I remember hitting my 8 iron 140 yards when I was playing
College Golf. No telling what they're hitting them now.

> rawie shall buy what he likes.
I think Rawie is a she, but I don't know for sure.

> it is not my joy to bend his ear away his omega single gear.
Oh go ahead JJ, and tell us what you think.
By the way, I just got a sales magazine from Tribest, I never have
understood why they put magnets in the twin-gears of the GreenStars?....WY

Hi JJ, and WY,

Yes, I'm a she. And, I'm extremely grateful for WY's input. I think we share very similar tastes (not just in juicer but blenders as well). I don't take his advices lightly. He is by no means bending me away from the single auger Omega. In fact, I realize no one juicer can do it all. I think I'm going to end up with the Breville Citrus Juicer Press, Omega 8006, Champion (used), and the Omega 4000 and possibly a CitriStar for lemons.

>Enjoy!! I'm having Carrot Juice with a little pulp
>these days. I find it moves through me better than Green
>Smoothies.
>
Again. I had the same experience too! I tried smoothies for a while too. It passess thru too quick as solid matter, but not thin enough for max assimilation. It doesn't go thru me very well, so I'm going back to juicing. Thay serves different purposes, you just have to find the right happy medium.

I actually placed an order on Omega 8006, but the 2-wk back order has given me an opportunity to explore other options. I'm closely watching a few bids on the Champion. I think if I can get one for $50 buck, it's well worthy. Sometimes, it doesn't matter how much rsh you do, you just have to try it. $50 is a good price to pay to test the water and decide which direction I want to go with.

>I never have
>understood why they put magnets in the twin-gears of the GreenStars?....
>
This is quoted from "[www.rawfoodlife.com]

"... Their main purpose is to remove heavy metals and pesticides from the content before you drink it. This is how you get more healthier juice, clean and pure from harmful ingredients. This also helps juice to remain fresh for longer period of time. After you produce some juice with your Green Star juicer, you have 48 hours to drink it. That's a huge time difference comparing to other juices, made with cutting blades."

That was one of the reasons I considered the Green Star in the first place. I think that the first 4oz of carrot is going to go thru the Champion the easiest, followed by the Green Star and the Omega 8005. But, the next 4oz is going to be the reversed. So, it really depends how much carrot you juice.

--Happy Juicing!

Rawie Wrote:
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> And, I'm extremely grateful for
> WY's input. I think we share very similar tastes
> (not just in juicer but blenders as well).
We're usually singing out of the same Hymnal.

> think I'm going to end up with the Breville Citrus
> Juicer Press, Omega 8006, Champion (used), and the
> Omega 4000 and possibly a CitriStar for lemons.
That sounds like a nice lineup. I'd omit the
Champion, but I understand your desire to try it.
Keep us posted on what you end up doing....WY

WY,

>We're usually singing out of the same Hymnal.
>
When I first saw the Norwalk Juicer video on youtube, I thought there was a joke. I just laughed out loud when you say that juicer is a 'Cruel-n-Unusual' form of punishment. Apparently, many people put the Norwalk juicer on the pedestal, very few have actually tried it.


>That sounds like a nice lineup. I'd omit the
>Champion, but I understand your desire to try it.
>Keep us posted on what you end up doing....WY
>
Only if I can get it for $50 or less. If not, I'll use that on the CitriStar. Discountjuicer.com just updated the status of the Omega 8006 to 4/14. I also emailed omega8600juicer.com. I'll most likely end up getting from blenderjuicerdepot.com since they do price match and has a 60-day no question ask money back guarantee even though I'll pretty sure I'll keep it, love it and make good use of it.

-Juice'On!

I own the GreenStar 3000 and Omega 8005 and i would say hands down go with the GreenStar. The feed chute on the Omega 8005 is smaller than the one on the GreenStar making it a tedious process to juice anything other than wheatgrass.

jonl138 Wrote:
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> I own the GreenStar 3000 and Omega 8005 and i
> would say hands down go with the GreenStar.
Your post would be more credible if you didn't
hide behind a phony name.

> The feed chute on the Omega 8005 is smaller than the
> one on the GreenStar making it a tedious process
> to juice anything other than wheatgrass.
Celery Ribs go through very easily. Large Carrots
need to be cut-up, but they probably do for the GreenStar too.
I'd like to hear from someone who juices Carrots, on a daily
basis, with the GreenStar....WY

jon,

I'm not a fan of the "bigger-is-better" camp when it comes to chute size. The power of many big-chute-juicers simply does not match the size of their chute. The bigger chute size is mostly a marketing scheme (or scam?). Very few fruit or vegetables can actually benefit from it w/o overloading the motor and/or wearing out the blade pre-maturely. An adjustable chute would be ideal (which I think can be easily achieved with a split pusher), that's the wishlist. For now, I'd take a smaller chute over the big chute for all of the centrifugals I've owned. At least you won't waste as much fruits/vegetables with the smaller chute.

Having said that, according to [www.discountjuicers.com], the chute size of the Omega 8005 and Green Star are the SAME!

>The feed chute on the Omega 8005 is smaller than the one on the GreenStar making >it a tedious process to juice anything other than wheatgrass.
>
Wow! I found that hard to believe after watching numerous youtube videos on how tough it is to push down carrots through the GreenStar. It's a mini workout (I'm not exagerating at all). The Omega on the other hand is self-feeding, it sucks the carrot on its own until the very end. I have to admit the Omega is not the fastest (or most efficient) machine to juice carrot, but it beats the mini-workout that you have to battle with the GreenStar, at least for me!

-rawie