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Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: dhsredhead ()
Date: June 20, 2009 07:19AM

Can anyone recommend a good blender with a glass container? I see that the Vitamix and Blendtec have plastic containers. I'm trying to avoid plastic as much as possible, but it seems like only department store type blenders have glass containers and I worry about their motors dying out from frequent use.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: juicerkatz ()
Date: June 20, 2009 08:00AM

Funny, I was looking into this as well, as I will be in the market for a new blender soon. I read in another posts that the "new" Blendtec plastics are the "safe" ones, but how do you really know what you are getting, since there is probably old stock floating around on the shelves...

Maybe someone can comment further on this...it would be nice to have a glass container.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2009 08:01AM by juicerkatz.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: frances ()
Date: June 20, 2009 09:01AM

As I understand it, the high speed blenders are never made with glass containers because of the risk that at high speeds the inside of the container may be chipped. Since swallowing glass shards can kill, I'm on board with this decision.

The decision you need to make is which feature is more important to you, a huge motor, or a glass jar.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Wheatgrass Yogi ()
Date: June 20, 2009 11:24AM

The Vita-Mix 5200 has the new Eastman 'Tritan' container.
I use a Vita-Mix with the old style plastic, and have no problem
with that....WY


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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: dhsredhead ()
Date: June 20, 2009 07:36PM

Frances, this comment seems extremely rude and is not very constructive. Yeah broken glass can kill but BPA can cause a wide range of issues that can lead to death. If I'm going to invest the time and energy to be on a raw food diet I would prefer not to use appliances that could potentially cause me or my family harm. Also am I honestly supposed to believe that there is not an alternative? What did they do before plastic? They used glass. I'm not even worried about getting a blender that is high speed, just something that will last a long time through some abuse and make a smoothie. I probably don't need a commercial grade blender.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Jgunn ()
Date: June 20, 2009 08:33PM

well before plastic yes thre was glass .. but the motors were no where near as powerfull in comparison to now

i dont think frances was trying to be rude , just pointing out the facts smiling smiley

its true too about the BPA's

honestly i miss my old vitamix with the metal container , my new one comes with plastic .. althought it is cool being able to see the contents i just felt *better* with the metal container lol smiling smiley

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: juicerkatz ()
Date: June 20, 2009 09:37PM

Ah yes, Jgunn; you brought to mind a blender we had some 25 years ago; It was my parent's actually. An industrial grade Stainless Steel Oster, we thought it was the best thing going!

When my parents' purchased it, the demo booth demonstrated the power/versatility of the unit by grinding up whole eggs in it, shells & all, adding milk, ice cream, etc. YUK!!!

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: socalvdubgirl ()
Date: June 20, 2009 11:39PM

I have a Cusineart with a glass Jar I use it every day. Makes very smooth smoothies.. I've been purposely trying to get it to die Just because the hubby doesnt think I should get a VitaMix when I have a blender that works perfect. It only has a 600W motor but it will do for now.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: eaglefly ()
Date: June 21, 2009 09:06AM

I have a $29 Oster and it has worked fine for two yrs now.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: frances ()
Date: June 21, 2009 11:52AM

Hi dhsredhead,

I was only trying to point out that high speed blenders cannot be made with glass containers, which I felt was an important point because many people assume that it is due to the manufacturer's failure to understand concerns about plastics that no glass carafes are offered for sale. Given these restrictions, we each have to decide whether we're willing to sacrifice glass in favor of power. Some people on this forum come to each conclusion, so I don't feel comfortable telling people what they should do. I'm not sure what you thought I was implying, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't.

That said, I had forgotten that although new Vitamixes are not available with stainless steel carafes, the Waring Xtreme still has this option. It's a 3.5HP motor, so you get the advantages of a powerful blender without the risks inherent in most plastics. I know that many people use Vitamix carafes with the Waring blender, so the opposite may also be possible for people who strongly prefer the Vitamix, but I'm not sure.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: dhsredhead ()
Date: June 21, 2009 11:56AM

Jgunn,if only they still did make the Vitamix with a stainless steal container! I've been searching online and I did find a a few with the stainless steal containers, a few blenders by Waring and a Kitchen Aid Professional series blender. The Waring ones had some pretty negatives reviews but the Kitchen Aid blender looks like it has some pretty positive ones, I also found it on sale for a pretty good price...so I may take the leap and try it.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: JohnA ()
Date: April 09, 2012 10:10AM

Hi
It seems hard to believe that 3 years after the first post it's always impossible to find a pro very hight speed blender with metal or galss bowl. Meanwhile concerns have grown not only with BPA but also with BPB. All the plastic containers including Vitamix have BPB. Manufacturers promote their BPA free bowls not mentioning of course that BPB is as dangerous.
Only health concerned consumers might reverse the manufacturers economical choices.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 11:04AM

Please provide the full name of the BPB and risks with full references. Thanks. btw, according to your profile you just joined this forum one hour ago (at the time of this writing) and dragged up and old potentially controversial thread with an arcane unsupported post that affects many members here. I just googled BPB..nothing came back. got ya. You are a troll and you are bsing. I will gladly apologize when you answer my request substantively with references. But until then, post reported.

Just curious, why didn't you introduce yourself first? One other point BPb with a small b is lead. There is no lead in any Vitamix product. But you made a capital "B"... I doubt if you were sincere the acronym would be the same. Toxicologists and risk assessors are kind of funny like that... they don't like confusing metal toxicants with organics.

Paul



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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: JohnA ()
Date: April 09, 2012 12:08PM

I did not know I had to introduce myself, as I did not see anybody doing it on the previous posts. I did not know I had to appologize for raising a point of general interest either.
I am sorry my post was so confusing for phorst, I assumed that everyone new about BPA as bisphenol A and BPB could supposely be bisphenol B. As scientif article are using BPB, I am sorry Wikipedia has not yet an article to help phorst understand. Other bisphenols like BPF seem to be used in plastic to replace BPA. It is not easy to find information on these bisphenols. It seems, as far as I understand it's hard to make plastic without it.Articles are in German, French and other European languages as it's more a concern in Europe since a few years.
2 links easy to read without going into scientific articles :[www.nytimes.com]
[ellicottcity.patch.com]

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 01:08PM

"John A"

I repeat my request... please provide a full chemical name with CAS # for "bisphenol b". Also please provide detail on how as a monomer it is used in Eastman Tritan Copolymer which is the plastic used in most Vitamix Blenders. Don't worry about my understanding John. I understand only too well.

your urls are nonsequitor since they do not respond to my request.

If you are not a troll, then make my day and go post elsewhere on this forum on another topic... a recipe, your personal struggle, a simple hello (you didn't need to introduce yourself, my point is you went from zero to trolling), whatever. You drag up a three year old thread and make a post that could have scared the bejezzus out of many here. And now, my friend you need to account for yourself. If you can provide an authoritative document showing that Eastman Tritan Copolymer contains "bisphenol b" and that bisphenol b has similar endocrine disruptor risks as BPA, then I will apologize to you on this thread. And if you can't, all I ask is that you stop trolling whoever you are.

btw, the offer for an apology is only good if you can provide the CAS #... Chemical Abstract Society #.... it's a unique identifier. btw, sport in case you think I'm BSing you... the CAS # for BPA is 80057 [www.speclab.com]. So maybe there is a bisphenol B with risks.. all you need to do is

1. provide the full chemical name
2. provide the CAS #
3. provide authority that it is risky for human exposure and
4. show that it is a monomer in Eastman Tritan Copolymer.

There... that shouldn't be too hard. I'm waiting.

Paul

Paul



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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 01:23PM

and if you don't pony up... I will be watching. and others will as well. troll on.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 01:39PM

John A....

you still there? winking smiley good. Sorry sport. Actually BPB as you call it appears to be covered under the BPA family. See slide 5. [oehha.ca.gov] So, at least for this scare tactic, your cover is blown... no BPA or BPB in Vitamix or other Eastman Tritan Copolymers. Are there risks in the latter??? Maybe .. though they have a better MSDS. but you are blowing smoke my friend. No apology now or ever. Stop trolling ok!!

Paul

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: JohnA ()
Date: April 09, 2012 02:49PM

Dear phorst you are so obnoxious.
I can focus on a topic and anyone may have their own opinion, nobody has the right answer on such a controversial issue.
A forum is about confronting ideas. Purpose of science is to question.
Insulting and writing mean comments on me does not make you better or right.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 03:15PM

JohnA Wrote:
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> Dear phorst you are so obnoxious.

I think trolls are by definition obnoxious so the feeling is mutual.

> I can focus on a topic and anyone may have their
> own opinion, nobody has the right answer on such a
> controversial issue.

I think you are conveniently forgetting that you came here this morning and made a bold assertion that all Vitamix containers and all plastic containers were risky because of an unknown substance BPB (which is just BPA which is well known and discussed and not something different).

> A forum is about confronting ideas. Purpose of
> science is to question.

I agree. What science have you brought? zip. You make alarmist unsupported assertion to scare people on this forum though you have no real science behind it, do you? When you have an idea, let me know. I will be glad after your apology to the forum to discuss it with you.

> Insulting and writing mean comments on me does not
> make you better or right.

Make me better or right about what? You come in here thoughtlessly and carelessly and make bold unsupported assertions about purchases than hundred of members have made in hopes of scaring them. And when questioned with some pretty simple questions, you dried up. You came up short. Your cover got blown. If you don't like it, stop trolling. Stop scaring people needlessly. If you have some hard science behind the risk of a chemical in anything we buy, I'm all ears.

You haven't done that here today. You came here today with an unsupported fear mongering message. Live with it.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 03:26PM

Just a reminder of why I am on you sport.... your alarmist words to the Board.

JohnA Wrote:
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> All the plastic containers
> including Vitamix have BPB. Manufacturers promote
> their BPA free bowls not mentioning of course that
> BPB is as dangerous.


Without the science to back it up John, that is needless fearmongering and false. I gave you every opportunity to correct your mistake and you refused to do so. I offered to apologize if you could make right. Unfortunately, that didn't happen and couldn't happen. We have enough to afraid of in this world. Time to stop fear mongering John.

> Only health concerned consumers might reverse the
> manufacturers economical choices.


I want you to apologize to the Forum John or back up your statement.

Paul

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: JohnA ()
Date: April 09, 2012 03:40PM

Among the forum members are regular people like most of us, but all major companies have social media specialists, hired to be active on blogs and forums to protect the company economical interests and trying to prevent any topic that could hurt the company.
Aggressive pseudo scientific arguments from phorst sound like this type of actions, maybe initiate by the platic manufacturer Tritan (the one he quotes who makes the plastic for the bowls).
Again it'a our health in jeopardy and if many non professionnal blender maker use glass,(more fragile, more expensive, more heavy to ship) they might have good reasons.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 09, 2012 03:51PM

Adapted from "Proud Mary"

"Trollin, trollin... trollin on the river".

Let's see sport. I have conceded that there may be unproven risks in Tritan Eastman Copolymer. I own a Vitamix and and Blendtec. I have worked for the federal government for 22 years plus. Who the hell are you? As far as I can tell, some guy who can't back up his statements who is into scaring people. I never said Tritan Eastman Copolymer is safe. it's BPA and "BPB" free which contradicts your assertion.

Everyone on this forum takes risks everyday, we put a cell phone close to our head, we eat food not on the list, etc. We manage risk consciously and otherwise.

When someone comes into our world as you have and opines falsely about items costing hundreds of dollars for most members about hypothetical risks, it makes my blood boil.

In case you didn't get it, you lost today. I challenged you with specific requests to back up your statements and instead you start to blather. Ok. Blather on. Your original statement about risks in Vitamix are false. You have failed utterly to support your points. Grade F! Failure.

Now if you want to keep on trolling here, be my guest. I will keep reporting you, quietly. Have a nice day.



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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 09, 2012 10:17PM

I've got a Sunbeam Multi-Blender Pro 800watt with a 1500m glass container. The glass is pretty thick, and I'd be very surprised if it ever chipped, unless you were grinding up nuts'n'bolts. It was designed to handle block ice, and does this very well. Depending on what I shove in to blend, it can leave very small 'bits', but generally I'm pretty happy with its performance.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: JohnA ()
Date: April 10, 2012 02:33AM

Thanks for this recommandation.
I use currently an Oster blender (max speed 11000 RPM), having chosen like you good price and glass. (faster Oster In2itive model was not released)
I don't grind grains. Smoothies or soups are not as perfectly smooth as I expect. Ice is crushed but does not reach the icecream consistency that Youtube videos shows for some pro blenders. This is why I was looking again for upgrading, but I guess I will have to wait again.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 10, 2012 01:27PM

Hmm, how about an blade upgrade? Mine has a four blade system, though there may be a better design available now, that will improve blending. Just a thought, and I might check that out for my sunbeam since it's a few years old.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 10, 2012 03:08PM

Ok, just to get it all clear...the first of my last two replies was in response to the query made by the author of this thread. The last was partly due to the reply of 'JohnA' who has been identified rightly or wrongly as a 'troll'. So shoot me; although, I'm sure others here may benefit from the idea of a blade upgrade rather than buy a whole new machine.

However, JohnA does appear to have joined this forum for the soul purpose of adding there bit to the discussion, in which they immediately dragged up an old, and apparently controversial thread...

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: pborst ()
Date: April 10, 2012 04:49PM

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: ivac ()
Date: April 11, 2012 02:31PM

Hey, thanks for posting, John. I also am very concerned about the plastic container of my Blendtec, but I don't know what else to get. I'm also concerned about the rubber top and the loud noise it makes. I wonder if the Vita-Mix is quieter. I'd like to become a liquidarian, but think the plastic will undermine the benefits.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:06PM

My vitamix is very quiet and I'm not concerned about the plastic. It's not made with BPA and it's also not a storage container, the food touches it for only minutes as just a juicer with plastic parts. How is that enough time for any contamination? I do use glass for food storage but the blender? Seems a bit over the top to be too paranoid about that.

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Re: Blenders with Glass Containers?
Posted by: chat ()
Date: April 15, 2012 04:57AM

JohnA, thanks for your post - personally I think "dragging up" an old discussion might have been relevant in this case (although i'm also a new member and perhaps doing so is never relevant for this forum?)

I thought it was relevant because last post expressing concerns about BPA was from 2009, however one can see from even basic wikipedia article that there were few new studies/reports made in 2010 and new developments such as for example Canada declaring BPA toxic. Link to wiki page:

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

Just yesterday browsing this forum I came across several members mentioning that they try to avoid plastic in any form, and I wondered why. Now after reading your post i went and googled BPA and learned the above. There is indeed no wikipedia page specifically on BPB, however there is a very brief page on Bisphenols generally:

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

which mentiones BPB and even the CAS number which the other member was impatient to learn: 77-40-7.

The wikipedia page does not say that BPB is dangerous at all, in fact it doesn't say anything about it's possible/proven health effects. Maybe there are none. Maybe even studies made so far on BPA are also controversial. But I figured, and this is of course personal choice, but it is such an easy compromise to be made to refuse to use plastic at all, just in case. After all, there is always a benefit of contributing positively to the environment in this waysmiling smiley In other words, I think I now understand why the other members I mentioned earlier say they would rather avoid plastic regardless whether it has BPA, BPB or other Bisphenols etc.

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