I recently received my Omega Big Mouth centrifugal pulp ejection juicer from Discountjuicers. And I'm very pleased. This is my second juicer, my first being the Green Power Kempo 1304 Twin Gear from Kitchen's Best. The total price including shipping for the Big Mouth was $209, quite a bit more expensive than comparable other centrifugal pulp ejection types like the L'Equip 215XL which retails for about $115. I went with the Omega for the more powerful motor, larger screen, tighter pulp bin fit, better pusher guide and a 20 percent higher yield. See John Kohler's review [www.youtube.com],

These style of juicers are a trade off, convenience and speed of juicing vs. quality of juice. The Big Mouth has a 3" feed shoot so that you can put whole apples, lemons, pears, or multiple carrots, celery at the same time. It works well with some leafy greens with a high water content and a "crunchy" consistency such as romaine lettuce hearts or cabbage. It works well on hard fruits such as pears, apples as well as citrus. It works very poorly on soft leafy greens such as spinach, kale, and collards. I tried to juice 2 lbs. of kale in the Big Mouth and the yield was less than half a cup.

On the other hand, if you are into an anti-cancer diet, then this is your baby. Juicing time goes way way down as does cleaning time relative to a twin gear juicer. I can process a beet juice, carrot juice, cabbage juice and add in deep green juice I juiced previously from the kempo (will keep for 72 hours in a Mason jar in the frig) and take it down. The quality of the juice is more pulpy than a twin gear juice. And I'm sure with RPMs it's heated more as well. But time is also a factor. It's easier to drink freshly made carrot and beet juice with lower juicing and clean up time. I simply don't have time in the morning to juice with kempo, notwithstanding that it produces a superior juice. And it's not that much more pulp, about 10 to 20 percent I think. If it bugged me, I could strain it or use a nut milk bag. I don't bother. a little pulp is actually nice.

In sum, the things I like about the Big Mouth are ease of juicing and ease of cleaning. The limitations and tradeoffs including limited produce, and lower quality juice are ok by me having the Kempo 1304 when I need to produce a higher quality juice or juice soft vegetables and fruits, and leafy green or wheat grass. And obviously the Big Mouth is a juicer only, does none of the other non-jucing functions that an Omega 8006 or the Kempo would do for nut butters, sorbet, etc. But for nut butters and milks, I use my blender anyway (nutmilk bag for the nut milk) so that's a non issue. Overall, I'm very satisfied with the Omega Big Mouth. It's my go to convenience juicer.

Paul ,

pborst Wrote:
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> I recently received my Omega Big Mouth centrifugal
> pulp ejection juicer from Discountjuicers. And
> I'm very pleased. This is my second juicer, my
> first being the Green Power Kempo 1304 Twin Gear
> from Kitchen's Best. The total price including
> shipping for the Big Mouth was $209, quite a bit
> more expensive than comparable other centrifugal
> pulp ejection types
Thanks for your fine report on the Omega BMJ330. It
Tempts me enough to order one from DiscountJuicers.com to compare
with my Omega 4000 Pulp Ejection (of which I am very pleased).
I'll use the discount code TENSPOT to get $10 off, which I see you
did for the $209 price.
Actually, the Big Mouth is not a selling feature with me, but the
large screen area, and significantly more Juice yield, gets my full
attention.....WY

"I usually avoid Temptation....unless I can't resist it"....Mae West

Wheatgrass Yogi Wrote:
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> pborst Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I recently received my Omega Big Mouth
> centrifugal
> > pulp ejection juicer from Discountjuicers.
> And
> > I'm very pleased. This is my second juicer, my
> > first being the Green Power Kempo 1304 Twin
> Gear
> > from Kitchen's Best. The total price
> including
> > shipping for the Big Mouth was $209, quite a
> bit
> > more expensive than comparable other
> centrifugal
> > pulp ejection types
> Thanks for your fine report on the Omega BMJ330.
> It
> Tempts me enough to order one from
> DiscountJuicers.com to compare
> with my Omega 4000 Pulp Ejection (of which I am
> very pleased).
> I'll use the discount code TENSPOT to get $10 off,
> which I see you
> did for the $209 price.
> Actually, the Big Mouth is not a selling feature
> with me, but the
> large screen area, and significantly more Juice
> yield, gets my full
> attention.....WY
>
> "I usually avoid Temptation....unless I can't
> resist it"....Mae West


WG Yogi,

Thanks. I don't know how the screen in a Big Mouth compares to one in the Omega 4000. And the higher yield was relative to the L'Equip. Dunno how the yield would compare against the 4000. Fair is fair. But I'm happy the Big Mouth.

Paul

I loved reading your review, Paul. I am always on the lookout for a fast 'n' convenient juicer to supplement my oldish, and none-too-convenient, Omega 8001, a single-auger type. I might add that the single-auger style of juicer regardless of brand is sometimes advertised as a "wheat grass juicer". But my Omega was sold to me as useful for everything. I think I was lied to.

It is torture doing carrots, beets & apples in the Omega 8001. Endless chopping of the veg. & fruit. Also, I saw a woman demonstrating a double-auger style juicer and she had to exert much force to get the produce down the chute. It was like she was mining coal back in the 19th century.

If produce juiced in a fast-moving juicer is refrigerated thoroughly first, I would opine that the coldness would offset any heating up from the high speed. What do you think? I know if you buy some powdered food supplement containing raw items or vitamins, they always tell you to add ice cubes or frozen fruit before doing it up in your blender.

Horsea Wrote:
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> I loved reading your review, Paul. I am always on
> the lookout for a fast 'n' convenient juicer to
> supplement my oldish, and none-too-convenient,
> Omega 8001, a single-auger type. I might add that
> the single-auger style of juicer regardless of
> brand is sometimes advertised as a "wheat grass
> juicer". But my Omega was sold to me as useful
> for everything. I think I was lied to.
>
> It is torture doing carrots, beets & apples in the
> Omega 8001. Endless chopping of the veg. & fruit.
> Also, I saw a woman demonstrating a double-auger
> style juicer and she had to exert much force to
> get the produce down the chute. It was like she
> was mining coal back in the 19th century.
>
> If produce juiced in a fast-moving juicer is
> refrigerated thoroughly first, I would opine that
> the coldness would offset any heating up from the
> high speed. What do you think? I know if you buy
> some powdered food supplement containing raw items
> or vitamins, they always tell you to add ice cubes
> or frozen fruit before doing it up in your
> blender.

Horsea,

While I'm not technically qualified to assess, as a layperson, that makes sense. Also, notwithstanding the high RPMs, the convenience factor has to be weighed as well. If I choose another food(s) in lieu of vegetable juice because of the juicing/cleaning time that is less nutrient rich than centrifugal veggie juice, that's what I'm comparing. In plain english, I can't have freshly juiced kale in the morning with my Kempo because the juicing time/clean up time is prohibitive. So, it's Big Mouth juice vs. a Blendtec smoothie vs. a fruit salad. The Big Mouth juice is going to be more nutritious than the fruit salad (though sometimes I have both). Also, just an empirical thought, it's fair to suppose that an 11,000 rpm juice will be warmer than an 80 or 160 rpm produced juice. But how much? Is it one degree or 10 degrees warmer? And what does that mean for nutrients. What I can say is that my Big Mouth cabbage, cucumber, beet, carrot juice that has been a staple is cold to the taste notwithstanding that it is probably warmer than if I had juiced it in the Kempo. FWIW, looking into the Omega VERT, though may go Hurom since they have the handle and now offer then 10 year warranty. More of a budget issue than anything else. Best.

Paul

pborst Wrote:
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> Horsea Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I loved reading your review, Paul. I am always
> on
> > the lookout for a fast 'n' convenient juicer to
> > supplement my oldish, and none-too-convenient,
> > Omega 8001, a single-auger type. I might add
> that
> > the single-auger style of juicer regardless of
> > brand is sometimes advertised as a "wheat grass
> > juicer". But my Omega was sold to me as useful
> > for everything. I think I was lied to.
> >
> > It is torture doing carrots, beets & apples in
> the
> > Omega 8001. Endless chopping of the veg. &
> fruit.
> > Also, I saw a woman demonstrating a
> double-auger
> > style juicer and she had to exert much force to
> > get the produce down the chute. It was like
> she
> > was mining coal back in the 19th century.
> >
> > If produce juiced in a fast-moving juicer is
> > refrigerated thoroughly first, I would opine
> that
> > the coldness would offset any heating up from
> the
> > high speed. What do you think? I know if you
> buy
> > some powdered food supplement containing raw
> items
> > or vitamins, they always tell you to add ice
> cubes
> > or frozen fruit before doing it up in your
> > blender.
>
> Horsea,
>
> While I'm not technically qualified to assess, as
> a layperson, that makes sense. Also,
> notwithstanding the high RPMs, the convenience
> factor has to be weighed as well. If I choose
> another food(s) in lieu of vegetable juice because
> of the juicing/cleaning time that is less nutrient
> rich than centrifugal veggie juice, that's what
> I'm comparing. In plain english, I can't have
> freshly juiced kale in the morning with my Kempo
> because the juicing time/clean up time is
> prohibitive. So, it's Big Mouth juice vs. a
> Blendtec smoothie vs. a fruit salad. The Big
> Mouth juice is going to be more nutritious than
> the fruit salad (though sometimes I have both).
> Also, just an empirical thought, it's fair to
> suppose that an 11,000 rpm juice will be warmer
> than an 80 or 160 rpm produced juice. But how
> much? Is it one degree or 10 degrees warmer? And
> what does that mean for nutrients. What I can say
> is that my Big Mouth cabbage, cucumber, beet,
> carrot juice that has been a staple is cold to the
> taste notwithstanding that it is probably warmer
> than if I had juiced it in the Kempo. FWIW,
> looking into the Omega VERT, though may go Hurom
> since they have the handle and now offer then 10
> year warranty. More of a budget issue than
> anything else. Best.
>
> Paul


What about the new Omega 8006? I just got one for $299 free shipping on discount juicers. It really juices greens well! I am constantly amazed how it grasps parsley effortlessly. The minor quibble is a narrow feeding chute, but the prep time is still minimal. It is easy to set up and clean, and slicing fruits and veggies is hardly time-consuming.

What I want is a wide-chute juicer, preferably inexpensive. So, the Omega Big Mouth sounds good, but I just happened upon an inexpensive juicer by HAMILTON BEACH also called Big Mouth! And it's about $75 US dollars! In Canada, where I live, it is $100.00 Cdn dollars.

On epinions, the HB Big Mouth is well-rated. In general, it is excellent for hard vegetables and less so for soft fruits & soft vegetables. So, I think that together with my slow-moving, single-auger Omega 8001, I would have the pair that I need.

Horsea Wrote:
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> What I want is a wide-chute juicer, preferably
> inexpensive. So, the Omega Big Mouth sounds good,
> but I just happened upon an inexpensive juicer by
> HAMILTON BEACH also called Big Mouth! And it's
> about $75 US dollars! In Canada, where I live, it
> is $100.00 Cdn dollars.
>
> On epinions, the HB Big Mouth is well-rated. In
> general, it is excellent for hard vegetables and
> less so for soft fruits & soft vegetables. So, I
> think that together with my slow-moving,
> single-auger Omega 8001, I would have the pair
> that I need.

Horsea,

I think that is this is one of those largely personal preference issues. I don't know the HB Big Mouth. So, it may well be a great buy. couple of things. Check on line reviews and warranty. I was about buy the L'Equip as I mentioned in my original email. Once I say how large and intrusive it's guide was preventing me from putting in whole pieces of fruit and vegetables plus John's comparison on juice yield advantage (caveat: between Omega and L'Equip, not Hamilton Beach) I went with Omega. I think probably you will be happy with your purchase whatever you buy. Having a wide-mouth centrifugal pulp ejection juicer is definitely a nice compliment. I just wanted to make sure you thought about the after costs,e.g. warranty, juice yield, design. Just be sure it's what you want at a price you can afford!

Paul

Thanks muchly for your good information & advice, which I will look into. I must say that I don't want to buy an ultra-cheapie, you know, the juicers that cost about $39.95 regular price.

Know what I REALLY want? A Norwalk. Or at least a stand-alone hydraulic juice press, like the Welles I've heard about. Moneywise, it's not doable at the present.

Horsea Wrote:
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> Know what I REALLY want? A Norwalk. Or at least
> a stand-alone hydraulic juice press, like the
> Welles I've heard about.
Take the advice of someone who has "Been there...Done that",
don't buy a Norwalk. Katz....jump in here and defend your Norwalk. For
me it was a disaster, with carrot pulp thrown on the walls and ceiling.
I had enough after the third time.
Also, I did buy an Omega Big Mouth Juicer (BMJ 330) to compare to my
Omega 4000. Its 11,000 rpm blew me away, as I felt the juicer just
might 'take off'. I prefer the 5,200 rpm of the 4000. In addition, the
BMJ 330 has a Cutter Plate that is 3 1/2" in diameter, very thin, with
12 rows of 'teeth'. I felt it was too small to effectively handle whole
Apples, or 4 Carrots at a time. My 4000 has a thick Cutter Plate with 16
rows of 'teeth', and is 4 1/2" in diameter. True, the feed chute of the
BMJ 330 is 3" in diameter, as compared to 1 1/2" by 3" of the 4000.
Final decision.....stay with the 4000, and donate the BMJ 330 to the local
Thrift Store.....WY

Yogi, I was fascinated by your experience with the cadillac of juicers, the Norwalk! I wonder if the company has fixed that 'little fault' of leaving carrot pulp on the walls. I saw a video on youtube of someone using the Norwalk where I didn't see that problem. I must admit that it's all a bit of a production, though. Yes, any owners of Norwalks - do chime in here.

What you said about the high speed of the BMJ 330 occurred to me, also, namely that it is kind of on the fast side, like the larger Breville. I want a fast juicer, but that is way too fast. Which is why I am looking into the BMJ's poor cousin, the Hamilton Beach Big Mouth.

Still, I'd like a hydraulic press for getting every last molecule of juice out of carrots ground up in the Omega 8001, which, like the Champion, acts as a sort of food processor when you remove the juicing screen and put in a plastic cutter instead.

Horsea Wrote:
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> Yogi, I was fascinated by your experience with the
> cadillac of juicers, the Norwalk! I wonder if the
> company has fixed that 'little fault' of leaving
> carrot pulp on the walls.
The 'little fault' was my own for not being able to
properly operate the Triturator (or grinder). The problem I had
with the Norwalk was the 'taste' I detected in my Carrot Juice.
I spent a couple of sessions on the phone with Harold Arnoldus,
the President of the company. He informed me that the bags and
cloths used to press the juice were once made of Hemp, but were
now made of a Food-grade nylon. He told me the fruit acids dissolved
the cotton, so they had to go with the nylon. It was the Nylon of
the new bags I was tasting. I decided I wanted a pleasant tasting
Carrot Juice, even though my juicer wasn't as efficient as the Norwalk.
Plus, I didn't enjoy using the Norwalk....WY

[www.youtube.com]

Well, for heaven's sake, if they can make bags out of cotton or nylon, then surely they can make them out of hemp, as was done in the past. If it was me, I'd find some hemp cloth and sew my own.

That baby in the video sure is cute. Nice to see children drinking something healthy, not like so many I see sucking back on pepsi.

The main thing when choosing a juicer is, as you imply, that you enjoy using it. If it rubs you the wrong way, there's no point, is there. I am glad you finally found something suitable, namely, the Omega 4000. "New and improved" versions of things aren't always improved, are they.

Horsea,

I don't know much about the HB Big Mouth. It may be great. A couple of thoughts. Check the warranty, the size of the shredding disk and the guide in the opening before buying if possible. These were things the L'Equip fell short on even though it was $100 less than the Omega Big Mouth. Since my original review of the BM330, I've really grown to love the convenience of putting whole romaine hearts, 5 or 6 carrots, a celery heart or two beets at a shot and having fresh juice in seconds. It's something I just don't have time for with my twin gear Green Power Kempo. I've got my clean up time down to under 2 minutes for the BM330. If you go with the HB, let me know how it works for you.

Paul

banana who Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pborst Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Horsea Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I loved reading your review, Paul. I am
> always
> > on
> > > the lookout for a fast 'n' convenient juicer
> to
> > > supplement my oldish, and
> none-too-convenient,
> > > Omega 8001, a single-auger type. I might add
> > that
> > > the single-auger style of juicer regardless
> of
> > > brand is sometimes advertised as a "wheat
> grass
> > > juicer". But my Omega was sold to me as
> useful
> > > for everything. I think I was lied to.
> > >
> > > It is torture doing carrots, beets & apples
> in
> > the
> > > Omega 8001. Endless chopping of the veg. &
> > fruit.
> > > Also, I saw a woman demonstrating a
> > double-auger
> > > style juicer and she had to exert much force
> to
> > > get the produce down the chute. It was like
> > she
> > > was mining coal back in the 19th century.
> > >
> > > If produce juiced in a fast-moving juicer is
> > > refrigerated thoroughly first, I would opine
> > that
> > > the coldness would offset any heating up from
> > the
> > > high speed. What do you think? I know if
> you
> > buy
> > > some powdered food supplement containing raw
> > items
> > > or vitamins, they always tell you to add ice
> > cubes
> > > or frozen fruit before doing it up in your
> > > blender.
> >
> > Horsea,
> >
> > While I'm not technically qualified to assess,
> as
> > a layperson, that makes sense. Also,
> > notwithstanding the high RPMs, the convenience
> > factor has to be weighed as well. If I choose
> > another food(s) in lieu of vegetable juice
> because
> > of the juicing/cleaning time that is less
> nutrient
> > rich than centrifugal veggie juice, that's what
> > I'm comparing. In plain english, I can't have
> > freshly juiced kale in the morning with my
> Kempo
> > because the juicing time/clean up time is
> > prohibitive. So, it's Big Mouth juice vs. a
> > Blendtec smoothie vs. a fruit salad. The
> Big
> > Mouth juice is going to be more nutritious than
> > the fruit salad (though sometimes I have both).
>
> > Also, just an empirical thought, it's fair to
> > suppose that an 11,000 rpm juice will be warmer
> > than an 80 or 160 rpm produced juice. But how
> > much? Is it one degree or 10 degrees warmer?
> And
> > what does that mean for nutrients. What I can
> say
> > is that my Big Mouth cabbage, cucumber, beet,
> > carrot juice that has been a staple is cold to
> the
> > taste notwithstanding that it is probably
> warmer
> > than if I had juiced it in the Kempo. FWIW,
> > looking into the Omega VERT, though may go
> Hurom
> > since they have the handle and now offer then
> 10
> > year warranty. More of a budget issue than
> > anything else. Best.
> >
> > Paul
>
>
> What about the new Omega 8006? I just got one for
> $299 free shipping on discount juicers. It really
> juices greens well! I am constantly amazed how it
> grasps parsley effortlessly. The minor quibble is
> a narrow feeding chute, but the prep time is still
> minimal. It is easy to set up and clean, and
> slicing fruits and veggies is hardly
> time-consuming.

Banana Who,

Apologize for the late response. I don't own an 8006 and so can't speak to its performance vs. the BMJ except what I have seen from John Kohler's video. But I think the tradeoffs are similar to what they are for my primary twin gear Kempo juicer. The Omega Big Mouth is a large feeding (3" opening centrifugal juicer which is quick and easy to clean ergo convenient. It's just a juicer, does none of the "nutrition center" things you can do with the 8006 (nut butters, sorbets, etc). And the Big Mouth doesn't work well on leafy greens, wheat grass. It' very convenient in terms of juicing time and clean up time for hard veggies (carrots, beets) and fruits (apples, whole lemons, see John's video url above in my original post). John's advice has always been check your needs. Mine vary so, I have two juicers. And my wife thinks I'm extreme. I'm going to let her read WY's post and claim moderate status until I sneak the Vert into the house next month (shhh, don't tell! . In any case, any centrifugal juicer is cheaper and more limited than a masticated, auger, single or twin gear juicer. I like a contrast. Depends on your budget and needs. I've hear no negative reports on the 8006. WY says it stand up better feel wise than the Vert. If you have to go with just one juicer, which is what most do, not a bad choice based on what I've read! Best.

Paul



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Just an opinion here, but I somehow see the Vert as a bit of gimmick; does anyone agree with me? They took a single auger, enlarged the auger and turned it up & down (so as not to go against gravity, I guess). Then they charge you a whole bunch of money, but yet it does not have the food-processing capacity of the standard single-augers.

I think if money was not an issue for me, I would nevertheless not buy a Vert because I think they are inventing something new just for its own sake. I do like the grinding ability of my old Omega 8001; I use it a lot.

Paul, were you just joking when you said you'd sneak a Vert into the house? Why? You have your Green Power, you have your Big Mouth...what gives? Just curious. Or do you just like collecting juicers? I'm not criticizing, just asking.

Horsea Wrote:
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> Just an opinion here, but I somehow see the Vert
> as a bit of gimmick; does anyone agree with me?
> They took a single auger, enlarged the auger and
> turned it up & down (so as not to go against
> gravity, I guess). Then they charge you a whole
> bunch of money, but yet it does not have the
> food-processing capacity of the standard
> single-augers.
>
> I think if money was not an issue for me, I would
> nevertheless not buy a Vert because I think they
> are inventing something new just for its own sake.
> I do like the grinding ability of my old Omega
> 8001; I use it a lot.
>
> Paul, were you just joking when you said you'd
> sneak a Vert into the house? Why? You have your
> Green Power, you have your Big Mouth...what gives?
> Just curious. Or do you just like collecting
> juicers? I'm not criticizing, just asking.

Yes, I was joking about sneaking it into the house. But not joking about getting a third juicer. Remember, if I wake up and find I have one extra, that's what Craigslist is for. In this case, John Kohler has made a powerful case for the Vert, one that has been corroborated by numerous folks. Not going to repeat all of the arguments on this thread except to say that most of the "extra stuff" my Green Power and the 8006 do, I can do in my Blendtec, nut butters, sorbet, etc. I like the Vert's ease of cleaning, versatility of juices (when I want a slow juicer), and small shelf space. I think I probably will sell my Green Power if/when I buy the Vert. If tomorrow, I didn't like my Blendtec, it'd be on Craigslist and I'd get a Vitamix 5200. Easy come, easy go.

Paul

pborst Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> banana who Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > pborst Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Horsea Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I loved reading your review, Paul. I am
> > always
> > > on
> > > > the lookout for a fast 'n' convenient
> juicer
> > to
> > > > supplement my oldish, and
> > none-too-convenient,
> > > > Omega 8001, a single-auger type. I might
> add
> > > that
> > > > the single-auger style of juicer regardless
> > of
> > > > brand is sometimes advertised as a "wheat
> > grass
> > > > juicer". But my Omega was sold to me as
> > useful
> > > > for everything. I think I was lied to.
> > > >
> > > > It is torture doing carrots, beets & apples
> > in
> > > the
> > > > Omega 8001. Endless chopping of the veg. &
> > > fruit.
> > > > Also, I saw a woman demonstrating a
> > > double-auger
> > > > style juicer and she had to exert much
> force
> > to
> > > > get the produce down the chute. It was
> like
> > > she
> > > > was mining coal back in the 19th century.
> > > >
> > > > If produce juiced in a fast-moving juicer
> is
> > > > refrigerated thoroughly first, I would
> opine
> > > that
> > > > the coldness would offset any heating up
> from
> > > the
> > > > high speed. What do you think? I know if
> > you
> > > buy
> > > > some powdered food supplement containing
> raw
> > > items
> > > > or vitamins, they always tell you to add
> ice
> > > cubes
> > > > or frozen fruit before doing it up in your
> > > > blender.
> > >
> > > Horsea,
> > >
> > > While I'm not technically qualified to
> assess,
> > as
> > > a layperson, that makes sense. Also,
> > > notwithstanding the high RPMs, the
> convenience
> > > factor has to be weighed as well. If I
> choose
> > > another food(s) in lieu of vegetable juice
> > because
> > > of the juicing/cleaning time that is less
> > nutrient
> > > rich than centrifugal veggie juice, that's
> what
> > > I'm comparing. In plain english, I can't
> have
> > > freshly juiced kale in the morning with my
> > Kempo
> > > because the juicing time/clean up time is
> > > prohibitive. So, it's Big Mouth juice vs. a
> > > Blendtec smoothie vs. a fruit salad. The
> > Big
> > > Mouth juice is going to be more nutritious
> than
> > > the fruit salad (though sometimes I have
> both).
> >
> > > Also, just an empirical thought, it's fair to
> > > suppose that an 11,000 rpm juice will be
> warmer
> > > than an 80 or 160 rpm produced juice. But
> how
> > > much? Is it one degree or 10 degrees warmer?
>
> > And
> > > what does that mean for nutrients. What I
> can
> > say
> > > is that my Big Mouth cabbage, cucumber, beet,
> > > carrot juice that has been a staple is cold
> to
> > the
> > > taste notwithstanding that it is probably
> > warmer
> > > than if I had juiced it in the Kempo. FWIW,
> > > looking into the Omega VERT, though may go
> > Hurom
> > > since they have the handle and now offer then
> > 10
> > > year warranty. More of a budget issue than
> > > anything else. Best.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> >
> > What about the new Omega 8006? I just got one
> for
> > $299 free shipping on discount juicers. It
> really
> > juices greens well! I am constantly amazed how
> it
> > grasps parsley effortlessly. The minor quibble
> is
> > a narrow feeding chute, but the prep time is
> still
> > minimal. It is easy to set up and clean, and
> > slicing fruits and veggies is hardly
> > time-consuming.
>
> Banana Who,
>
> Apologize for the late response. I don't own an
> 8006 and so can't speak to its performance vs. the
> BMJ except what I have seen from John Kohler's
> video. But I think the tradeoffs are similar to
> what they are for my primary twin gear Kempo
> juicer. The Omega Big Mouth is a large feeding
> (3" opening centrifugal juicer which is quick and
> easy to clean ergo convenient. It's just a
> juicer, does none of the "nutrition center" things
> you can do with the 8006 (nut butters, sorbets,
> etc). And the Big Mouth doesn't work well on
> leafy greens, wheat grass. It' very convenient in
> terms of juicing time and clean up time for hard
> veggies (carrots, beets) and fruits (apples, whole
> lemons, see John's video url above in my original
> post). John's advice has always been check your
> needs. Mine vary so, I have two juicers. And my
> wife thinks I'm extreme. I'm going to let her
> read WY's post and claim moderate status until I
> sneak the Vert into the house next month (shhh,
> don't tell! . In any case, any centrifugal
> juicer is cheaper and more limited than a
> masticated, auger, single or twin gear juicer. I
> like a contrast. Depends on your budget and
> needs. I've hear no negative reports on the 8006.
> WY says it stand up better feel wise than the
> Vert. If you have to go with just one juicer,
> which is what most do, not a bad choice based on
> what I've read! Best.
>
> Paul

Hi Paul-

I had a centrifugal juicer and found that it was very loud (Omega 8006 is blissfully quiet, although not silent), hard to clean (that basket is very wide), and the pulp is wet (so there is not the same yield). The "downside" of a narrow chute is pretty negligible, from my experience. It was the one thing which made me hestitate to buy this machine, but honestly, the prep time is very quick. I don't feel that I saved time with the centrifugal, despite a wider chute. It was cancelled out in the cleaning time. And the cost difference is pretty minimal. I cannot remember how much (or if you mentioned) you paid, but at $299 altogether, I think it's comparable to a Champion or other centrifugal (my centifugal was $229+ tax). And I have those attachments, which on the Green Power are all extra (their base price is about $349 or so). I am just mentioning all these things for people like me who are mulling over which juicer to get and have a certain amount of money they wish to spend. I am not trying to get you to purchase yet another juicer...

BW,

I think for one juicer, you couldn't go wrong with an 8006 based on everything I've heard. Let us know how it performs. Everyone seems to agree that it's a good value, easy to clean, and versatile. Basically, if there was a criticism, it's that it doesn't juice carrots or hard veggies particularly well. Can't speak to that. My Green Power Kempo isn't as fast as my BMJ330 but produces a superior juice. I would assume the same is true for an 8006 carrot juice vs. one produced by a centrifugal juicer. Best!

Paul

Hi again Paul-

I created a thread on here about my initial experiences with the Omega 8006. Whoever said it didn't work on hard veggies is either fibbing or didn't give it a chance. Carrots juice splendidly. Greens are amazing. Celery sometimes gets wound around because of all those threads, but I have found that if you follow up with a hard veggie like carrot, it'll push out the celery strings. Fruit are also fine, although any pulpy fruit is not going to vield major juice obviously. If I didn't like this machine, I would not be extolling its virtues. I really researched before I made the purchase, but in the end I just didn't want to spend that extra money. I juice often but not multiple times a day for many people.

BW,

Outstanding. Thanks for sharing. Had I known now what you knew then, I might have chosen the 8006 over my Twin Gear Power Kempo and saved $130. Am so glad it's working well. And thanks for the update on the hard veggies. Best.

Paul

RE: CARROTS and single-auger juicers.

But what would be the basic difference between the 8006 and the 8001, the old model that I have? As far as I can tell, you still have to make the carrots into long, pointy spears (or little dices) to get them wound around the auger, along with plenty of pushing with the pusher. How is the 8006 an advantage over the old original 8001? Hope to hear back from you.

Horsea Wrote:
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> RE: CARROTS and single-auger juicers.
>
> But what would be the basic difference between the
> 8006 and the 8001, the old model that I have? As
> far as I can tell, you still have to make the
> carrots into long, pointy spears (or little dices)
> to get them wound around the auger, along with
> plenty of pushing with the pusher. How is the 8006
> an advantage over the old original 8001? Hope to
> hear back from you.

The density of the auger. John Kohler of Discountjuicers.com, the founder of this forum reports that the 8006 has a polymer that is 10 times more dense/durable than prior juicers, presumably including the 8001. Can someone corroborate? In any case, since I don't own either juicer and haven't tried to juice carrots on juicers I don't own, I'm going to go out on a limb and ask the one man I know might be able to give a first hand answer, John Kohler at sales@discountjuicers.com. Maybe worth a video, who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Republicans really want health reform... whoops. never mind. I'll ask John.

Paul

just sent

"John,

Thanks for your kind thoughts. Need your help. Some debate on my BMJ330 thread not about the Big Mouth, but rather the Omega 8001 vs. 8006 and juicing carrots. Horsea and Banana Who are the main parties. Horsea owns an 8001 and says that juicing carrots in it is torture. Banana Who owns an 8006 and says his experience is different. I opined that the density of the auger might be the deciding factor. Having seen and juiced them both. what do you say? Worth a video or a suprise appearance on the thread. [www.rawfoodsupport.com] Thanks a lot John.

Paul "

I will report what I hear back if John doesn't directly respond.

Its true. I have used and owned both juicers.

there is a huge difference between the 8001/8003 and the 8003/8004/8005/8006 models.

the 8001/8002 are "single stage" single auger juicers, and those juicers "choke" on carrots (do not perform well). When the advent of the dual stage, single auger juicer 8003/8004/8005/8006, they are more effective at juicing carrots. That being said, the single augers arent the "best" juicer to juice carrots, in my opinion. A centrifugal ejection juicer, is my choice. As the 8001-8006 series, all have the smaller feed chute.

Once again, we should look at "getting the best juicer to juice (most effectively) what you want to juice" and not "the best juicer"

much akin to "100% health" NOT "100% RAW" which seems to be so prevelant in the raw foods movement today.

That being said, I upgraded my Omega 8001 to an 8006 by purchasing everything except the motor to get the 2 stage juicing..

Hope this helps.
John

ps The opinions expressed in this are my own, based on my experience. Your results and opinions may vary...

I want to thank you, pborst, for putting these questions to John, an expert. So this is the cheerful John who makes those videos comparing juicers? I find them quite entertaining + informative + helpful.

John, thank you for your information. What you say makes sense, namely, that we have to pick a juicer for our particular situation. I like carrot + celery juice, mostly. If I get a centrifugal juicer, my 8001 Omega certainly wouldn't go to waste, since I use it a lot as a grinder. However, I would likely have to get a manual press to squeeze the pulp from the centrifugal machine, wouldn't I. I read all the juicer reviews, and there is conflicting opinions over the dryness/juicyness of the pulp they eject.

I'd sure like to know how one goes about buying a juicer minus the motor.

100% health and not necessarily 100% raw? Bingo! You said it! I can't do 100% raw. I'm only 50% in the winter and more in the summer what with being in the garden a lot.

To change topics from juicing, I have heard a few food historians/experts/philosophers opine that we need to eat according to our ethnicity plus or minus necessary adjustments for the living styles of today. My ancestors didn't eat much raw and I doubt that anyone's did. Someone has suggested that thousands of years of cooking food has caused our pancreas to change in such a way that it could not now handle large quantities of raw food all year round. Grist for the mill, I say, and thank you so much John & pb for your endless help and to Bryan for permitting these discussions.

-Horsea.

Horsea Wrote:
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> RE: CARROTS and single-auger juicers.
>
> But what would be the basic difference between the
> 8006 and the 8001, the old model that I have? As
> far as I can tell, you still have to make the
> carrots into long, pointy spears (or little dices)
> to get them wound around the auger, along with
> plenty of pushing with the pusher. How is the 8006
> an advantage over the old original 8001? Hope to
> hear back from you.

As narrow a chute as the 8006, I don't have to do anything with carrots. I put pretty fat ones in there. The only prep I do on carrots is cutting off the tip. Yes, I do push down fairly hard. I figured it was par for the course with a masticating juicer. But so what if I have to exert a bit of force? It's not this big ordeal. I am letting people know that you can get a decent masticator for less than a Greenstar.

I finally bought the Hamilton Beach, relatively cheap, Big Mouth Juicer 67650! I paid CDN$100. It is quite a bit cheaper in the USA.

I can't compare it to any other similarly-priced centrifugal juicer, as the only juicer of that style I have ever used was made by Sanyo, and this was 15+ years ago. It did not have pulp ejection. It was about $35.

I can only compare the HB 67650 to single-auger-type juicers and say that it is much, much faster and produces more juice than the omega 8001 per pound of carrots (my main juice). Whether it produces more than the Omega 8006 is not for me to say.

As you all know, the fast-moving, centrifugal juicers, regardless of quality or price, are almost useless for leafy greens, as they leave behind large wads in the pulp tank.

Everything pborst says on this thread is absolutely correct. And yes I have to resort to using both my juicers at once sometimes, when I want a combo of carrot, parsely & cabbage, for example.

All of which leads me to wonder why the heck the Norwalk Co. doesn't overhaul its 1930s style pulverizer + hydraulic press into something where you just drop your produce into the hole, and out comes your perfect juice a minute later, without all that folded-cloth etc etc etc nonsense. Yes, it would take an entire team of engineers a year to design this, but the increase in sales would make it worth everyone's while.

Horsea,

Good to hear from you my friend. Congratulations on your new HB Big Mouth. I won't rehash the pros and cons of this type of juicer from above. Most of us who own centrifugal juicers understand their limitations and opportunities. I would never recommend just having a single juicer to a serious raw food practioner. I just hope you get as good use out of your HB Big Mouth as I have gotten out of my Omega Big Mouth. I use it twice daily for all of my carrots, beets, cabbage, lemons, limes, romaine lettuce, cabbage, apples, ginger, garlic, pears, celery, bitter melon, zucchini, golden squash, etc. It's really quite versatile and as said above useless or close to useless for other soft leafy greens like kale and collards. It's a niche juicer.

Regarding the Norwalk, I would just remind you of WY's warning above in the thread. He ain't talkin' to me since the Yogi Bear incident! j/k. Seriously, the Norwalk press sounded like a great reliable artifact. I have no interest in one. maybe when I retire. lol. Best Horsea. Be well my friend.

Paul

pborst Wrote:
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> Regarding the Norwalk, I would just remind you of
> WY's warning above in the thread.
That's right. I'd give up Juicing if I had to
use a Norwalk.
He ain't talkin' to me since the Yogi Bear incident!
LOL. Not True!! I just haven't had anything to
say. Plus, you guys have everything under control.
I got my new Omega 8004 today. Tomorrow I'm going
to try Carrot-Celery-Cucumber juice with it.....WY