Hi.

Just making some waives :-)

Now serious: are you, guys, still juicing (and discarding all the phytochemicals from fibers?)

Don't you want to let the 3+ HP blenders to atomize the fiber content and to unlock the power of hundreds of phytochemicals?

Juicing (for me) it's like I will re-start cooking and chewing the food in "traditional" way!

I would waist up to 25 % of the food I eat - just because its (simply) NOT DIGESTED. Just take a look (I don't tell you where) and think! Results will vary.

Sure, juicing is better than doing nothing and just eating plain raw.

Post Scriptum:
This was just a question. Pls. no offense. Are we still friends? (I hope so).

Pls. excuse my English - foreigner.

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not quite idiotic...but extremely close.

jj

juicing many pounds of veggies...blending or eating fruits.

who can eat 20 pounds of carrots in one day..i can easily juice and drink them.

my body is literally flooded with the highest quality nutrients and i have used very little digestive energy in the process of doing so.

my greenstar juices at a low rpm ..so i have preseved maximum enzymes and integrity of nutrients and phytos.

blenders are great for smoothies....and also as a raw food prep tool for sauces etc.

i admire erik's enthusiasm ...but he has alot to learn.

juicin' john

my body, i have found,
does not thrive on high fiber.
it loves nutrient dense
water dense food
but fiber
gives me bloating
gas
indigestion
especially from veggies

so i have yet to get a blender
though smoothies sound good
i love my juicer
i have never regretted it

i don't throw away anything
i have a dog
and a dehydrator
i get pretty creative

peace-

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> i don't throw away anything
> i have a dog
> and a dehydrator
> i get pretty creative


ROFL thats great .. id have to add to that .. i have a dog, dehydrator , and compost .. nothing goes to waste

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

I'm with Mama Cass - who writes like a poet - I did Green smoothies for a year and a half before my Vitamix broke and I switched to green juice in my Champion juicer. It was like someone flipped a switch on my level of health - it took off and I've never looked back. Juicing feeds my cells like no other thing. I get plenty of fiber throughout the day 'cause my juicer doesn't fit in my purse...

Good health to you all!

I'm still Juicing, and would like to incorporate a mid-day, high-speed Blending of Carrots and something Green....maybe Kale. I'm pretty well set with Wheatgrass and Celery juices in the morning and evening, but need a 'filler' in between.....WY

I juice veggies for breakfast (sets me up for the day!)

Blend fruits for lunch

large salad in the evening with a fruit or avocado.

Lorretta,

I think veggie juice for breakfast, blended fruit for lunch, salads for dinner is a great idea. That makes tons of sense. Perfectly balanced, in the right order.

I'm trying that tomorrow.

Thanks,Gina

If you don't have a juicer, blended smoothies are a satisfying alternative to chewing the equivalent number of fruits and vegetables every meal. Jucin John, do you really eat 20 pounds of carrots every day?



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sorry to be so blunt ....ezrac

but i try not to engage in dumb dialogues with anyone ..including you.

jj

One thing I've learned through eating raw is that one size does not fit all! One person swears by juicing, another swears by blending. As long as we are getting our nutrients in the ways that works best for us as individuals, we are doing the right thing- just not all the same way. Nothing wrong with that! I prefer blending because I need the fiber. When I juiced, I owned a L'equip juicer that did an awesome job, but I hated the cleanup involved.

And that person who said their Vitamix broke- OMG! I thought they lasted forever!
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> sorry to be so blunt ....ezrac
> but i try not to engage in dumb dialogues with
> anyone ..including you.


Hmm, ok let's drop it.

I've had my blender (Vitamix) for a week now I absolutely love it... It really does a great job at juicing ! And it is super-super-easy to clean!!! It will do wheatgrass with no problem at all.

P.S. I'm not bashing juicers at all, for I own a green power and love it too...

I can se JJ's frustration

ignorance seems to be eternal on this issue

the vitamix is a blender, it isn't making juice past-present or future. you can strain it through a microscopic wind-sock and it ain't juice.

so forget the good/bad.

a juicer serves a specific function...so a blender cannot possibly be an alternative to a juicer. people can live off anything, so they can certainly be very happy the rest of their lives making green soups or whatever it is that they do with their blender.

personally I think large amounts of fruits and greens blended is NOT ideal and that fruits are meant to be eaten whole and preferably mono.

juicing greens, and small amounts of fruits - while not natural - can be a great practice, for a number of reasons. if you disagree, make your green goups or whatever, just don't rag on other peoples practices. when you can't even define what it is you are consuming..ha!

the whole 'which is natural' debate is equally dumb..ask Ms. bonobo if she'd like to unlock the power of hundreds of phytochemicals. I imagine she will be less then thrilled with any ground up goo.

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Yes, a vitamix does juice very well, and I will contineu to juice with it in the present and future.

roy is easily food by promoters of misinformation...perhaps he is also of that ilk.

feeling sorry for roy ....really wont help much soo..

have a nice day roy!

jj

yes, you all have my support in pursuing your healthiest habits in the present..sounds awesome. (no sarcasm)

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> not quite idiotic...but extremely close.
>
> jj


Hi.

I'm sorry I did not see your post 'till today - Sept. 22.

I have to admit that I'm not happy with the way I formulated my starting post.
English is not my native language and the way I express my thoughts (in English) is just plain.

I have two mitigating circumstances:

1) I have to express myself into a foreign language,
2) I am new in raw, happy about the benefits I started to have, not much personal experience in only 5 months of raw and for sure, not enough research in this field of nutrition.

But I have something in common with most (if not all) of the distinguished members of this Forum: I am seeking to improve and maintain my health, I try to find more info about this new (for me) lifestyle, I try to understand SO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS (even specialists, doctors, scientists they contradict each other with their theories) and at the end, I try to find out what is good for me.

As a small trick to get more posts in my threads I initiated, I have to admit that I formulated the titles into a kind of provocative manner, not meant to irritate, but to stimulate the dialog.

This is why I took the title of a different thread "Is anyone still juicing" and I added the rest willing to get some opinions (not the rude and offending kind - like yours).

(That was what I intended!...but I got burned) OK - I did not like it, I learned a lesson today and I hope that you will do the same.

What you should learn is to show more respect regarding other ppl opinions or ideas.

I am sure that you will have to admit that you are not the smartest one and for sure, you are not on the other ("dumber" side.

What will be if everybody will start labeling people as "dumb", "paranoiacs", "ignorants" - for those having the tendency to ignore some realities?

If one thinks that the way he/she does certain things is "the right way", "the smart way" or even "the only way" and other individuals have different perceptions, this should not aggravate, offend or irritate us so much.
We have the freedom to do what we want.

You already did, but I will NEVER post the way you do - I don't think you paid attention reading the NETiquette about how one is supposed to post here (and everywhere else).

I will never write that "I don't engage in dumb dialogs" (by the way: why did you engaged?) and I will never write that someone wrote something idiotic.
I will be understanding and patient or If I don't have time, I will just NOT INTERFERE in some threads. Nobody will be offended. I only want nice and constructive dialogs. I like debates, not arguments or sarcasm.

When we can see from one's posts that the comments or ideas are plain wrong, the most efficient thing we can do is to copy/paste some links we know and help that individual to achieve a better understanding, offering a simple guidance.

That will help more than an insult or showing such a sarcastic attitude.

Don't you think that you can do better than the way you did?
Or this is the way you are and there is nothing we or you can do about that?


My best wishes for you, JJ

Pls. excuse my English - foreigner.

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erik

i know how dumb i am.

you are pretending to know something that you only think you know and that is not telling the truth.

call yourself anything you like.

for the benefit of anyone who does not know...juicing is the highest leveraged health regenerating modality on earth.

be well and juice.

juicin' john

ErikSkulasonUSA Wrote:
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> [...] are you, guys, juicing (and
> discarding all the phytochemicals from fibers?)
> [...]

Edited later:
Maybe this is the way I should reformulate my initial post.

* I would waist up to 25 % of the food I eat - just
because its (simply) NOT DIGESTED.

Edited later:
* This remark apply (obviously) to my specific digestive problems.

> Post Scriptum:
> This was just a question. Pls. no offense. Are we
> still friends? (I hope so).

Edited later:
Wasn't this nice enough?

Pls. excuse my English - foreigner.

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Erik....Don't be so apologetic. I like your stance on Power Blending, but I also like JJ's stance on Juicing. Both can play a part in anyones diet. You're both right......WY



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> Erik....Don't be so apologetic. I like your stance
> on Power Blending, but I also like JJ's stance on
> Juicing. Both can play a part in anyones diet.
> You're both right......WY


Thank you for pacifying us and also for being nice.

I'm not upset or ofended now, but I just cannot let other ppl to be rude and to abuse me or anyone else. (I was told that I have too much Ego - this makes me to (over)react faster).

The idea I expressed in this thread it's not mine.

I am too new in the raw lifestyle to even think about giving an advice to someone, and if I would, I would tell to a newbie, I will not "teach" the vegan gurus how to eat.

As I mentioned in other section of this forum, my starting point in this raw adventure or transition was MD Tom WU ND. I just watched his 3 DVDs (provided with my Vita-Mix), I found the information with a lot of common sense and I decided to follow his ideas and to see if will work for me.

I was and I am very enthusiastic - heaving great results and especially when I have colleagues following the raw way (I always refer them to this forum and other web sites to help them to understand what is good and what is wrong in their lifestyle), i don't push them to do the way I do - I always tell them that every person is different and has different needs and health problems and I encourage them to read and then to take their own decisions, even to discuss with their doctors everything AND also to request a full set of blood tests, check their weight and to keep a journal updated in every day where they should write what they do and what they feel in every day - so this way thay can have a future reference.


But to go back to the thread.

After 5 months of raw, I believe that I am still in transition. I am 100% raw at this time and 100% vegan, I eliminated the seafood recommended by Dr. WU and I seen that I have no problems eating 100% veg.

I continued to make all kind of smoothies - of everything.

At this time or level of my transition, I don't select my menu based on how much I like the taste of a certain veggie/fruit. I keep the idea of variety, but I feel perhaps the need for a change, because I noticed that blending more vegetable and/or fruits together is making them to lose their "identity". The taste of the smoothie will be most of the time less pleasant compared with the taste of the ingredients blended alone - a kind of mono eating like.

I enjoy more the taste of each ingredient eaten separately instead to mix all the ingredients together.

I believe I am going to start blending small amounts of the same kind - with some exceptions.

I forgot to mention - I don't puree everything I eat.

I wonder what other vegans think about this kind of mono blending or poly blending theme?

What is your prefference?

(I think that I wil start a new thread with this title "Mono blending OR Poly blending" - hopefully nobody will execute me this time ?)

Pls. excuse my English - foreigner.

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Certain web site mentioned that they are attaching small magnets to the container base (on the outer side) and that was supposed to have some + effects, but I never tried to do this and I don't know about the consequences or the impact of doing that.

There is anyone using magnets this way or perhaps for water?

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erik

your unbased criticism of juicing was the reason for my being tough on you.

i can tell you are a sincere person who is extremely excited about new health with raw food ...and that is very very good!

i accept your apologie and will extend mine to you. we are basically together on the important things. lets be friends.


as wheatgrass yogi says....both can play an important part.

juicing is good because large quantities of instantly assimlable nutrients can be given to the body.

blending is also good.

both require "some chewing to mix salivary enzymes for optimal digestion.

"chew" your juices and your smoothies.

juicin' john

haha, there really isn't a correct way to play devil's advocate is there?

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> haha, there really isn't a correct way to play
> devil's advocate is there? You could always take a side against both Juicing and Blending, and present a Strong Argument that neither is 'Natural'......WY

sure...thats actually what I think.

the idea that 'processing' isn't on equal footing 'refining' in terms of what constitutes 'nutrition'...is absurd. Firstly, the idea about what is natural, or what steps are needed to create natural health and vitality is subjective. 'exercise' isn't nautral, its just diciplined activity.

With juicing..people can get their nutrients..and some calories etc...with a great deal of digestive rest saved..and also if they have digestive or fungal issues (which most folks seem to)..they can get the minerals into the blood with no hassles from any critters or as much mixing with internal deposits.

blending can only be some kind of quick fix for not wanting or not being able to consume whole foods in adequate quantities, there is no way you will digest food as well as chewing it whole and mixing it with saliva. And runs contarary to the whole NH ideal that foods should be palatable by themselves to be made a meal of..so th whole un-natural NH argument against juicing..is quite hypocritical anyway.

pick whatever works. The only 'facts' are a vitamix or any non-extracting aka blending device..isn't producing juice. and anything that ain't extracted..is being processed in the stomach..unlike fruit..eaten alone..in the lower intestine.
personally I don't believe green smoothies will in any way cleanse the colon.

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> blending can only be some kind of quick fix for
> not wanting or not being able to consume whole
> foods in adequate quantities, there is no way you
> will digest food as well as chewing it whole and
> mixing it with saliva. I Love a good discussion, don't you? I feel like one of Pavlov's Dogs when I start preparing a Green Smoothie. The Digestive Juices just start flowing on their own. Besides, there's no way chewing can extract nutrition unless you chew very thoroughly, something we don't (and won't) do but Blending does. I like to mix saliva in with every swallow.

> personally I don't believe green smoothies will in
> any way cleanse the colon. No? It sure gives me a clean feeling. I'm presently living on Carrot-Wheatgrass Juice in the morning and one Green Smoothie in the afternoon, with Water in-between. I feel that's plenty of nutrition for me.....WY

not to sound harsh, but out of curiosity...is there a reason you cannot chew throughly? if so...you have my support in blending..my only response was against the argument that blending somehow makes things more digestable..which it does not...IMO

nothing ever leaves my throat but watery liquid, whether i'm eating fruits or greens....dunno