SueZ Wrote:
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> YOU ARE WRONG, POWERLIFTER. The shortcomings
> you speak of are just usually tested for more
> often in vegans. These shortcomings are the
> shortcomings of everyone who eats in the modern
> flawed food chain. The soils have been killed and
> so have huge areas of water covered lands.
>
> *edited for typos only

Thats not true though either because the amount of research in Vegans is very low and raw vegan research is few and far between. If more research was available on veganism and strict raw vegan diets id suspect many of you guys wouldn't like the findings, if current vegan research is anything to go by. Compared to vegetarianism which has much more science as to the long term safety of such diet and possible health benefits.

I don't disagree that these short-comings are applicable to other diets and even ones that include animal foods. Consuming these foods also comes with their own contraindications, consume too much and there is possible increased risks of certain cancers and maybe even heart disease. Just that there are significantly less potential problems when you are eating a wide range of food groups and foods which actually contain these nutrients to being with. Remove full food groups in the diet and then several deficiencies can rear there head.

No different from the SAD meat eater who doesn't include any plant foods. These people raise the risk of deficiencies in nutrients such as Vitamin C, various minerals and obviously miss out on the antioxidant/phyto-chemical protection these foods offer. Without plant food intake these peoples diets are also notoriously low in fiber, whilst being excessively high in meat and often low fiber, high sugar refined white grains by comparison. These people are no different in that they all have a vitamin C supplement in their cupboards but choose to eat no plant foods which naturally contains this nutrient.

Its not about bias, its about the truth and no these vegan pitfalls don't apply to the same severity or extent as a diet which would include these animal foods and thus providing nutrients of vitamin b12, vitamin D, iodine, zinc, iron etc. Many of these nutrients are completely missing from a vegan diet and/or not provided in sufficient quantities on a raw diet.