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Just curious...
Posted by:
Joanne81
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Date: August 06, 2008 02:58PM As a raw-vegan, are you primarily concerned with your own health or the ethics of veganism (lessening cruelty and environmental damage)? I believe they are inexorably linked, but I am definitely identified with ethics first and then the health part comes secondary. I think primarily focusing the goal of perfect health can be damaging because it is an ego-centric endeavor. We are all fleeting and to become too preoccupied with our body may cut one off from the really important things. Plus, working towards the health of the planet and helping others is food for the spirit and a healthy spirit is an integral part of a healthy body. I am just curious of others thoughts on this. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2008 02:58PM by Joanne81. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
pakd4fun
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Date: August 06, 2008 05:04PM My illness,and my child's illness, led me to veganism. My ethics don't matter if I don't have my health. The two are so intertwined that I couldn't seperate them in order to put one above the other. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: August 06, 2008 06:36PM health first for me. i can't do much if i'm not in a good healthy state. it's like being on an airplane in an emergency, they say to put the oxygen mask on yourself first, then try to help those around you. otherwise you might pass out from lack of oxygen and then you'd all suffer!
my mom was really into the "think globally, act locally" movement when it first came about and i believe those principles are a terrific place to start. first myself, then my family, then my home, my community, my province, counrty, continent, and finally the world. i don't think it works as well in the opposite direction. though i do believe as pakd4fun stated that my own personal health and my ethics are very closely connected. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: August 06, 2008 10:44PM Ethics first, health second. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
Lightform
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Date: August 06, 2008 10:59PM I agree with Coco. I believe in leading by example, and also that our bodies are our highest temple. The healthier one allows their body to become, the easier it is to cultivate outward benelovlence. I hold the welfare of animals and our planet in extremely high regard, but as the others above suggest, I feel that my assistence to it is interconnected with my own welbeing. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
dewey
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Date: August 06, 2008 11:31PM mine started spiritual so i`m not sure what that represents. LOL i just felt it was right so i did it after years of my intuitional nagging LOL
patty Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
blue_sky
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Date: August 07, 2008 01:27AM arugula Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Ethics first, health second. Same here. :-) Joanne81 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...primarily focusing the goal of perfect health can > be damaging because it is an ego-centric endeavor. > We are all fleeting and to become too preoccupied > with our body may cut one off from the really > important things. Plus, working towards the health > of the planet and helping others is food for the > spirit and a healthy spirit is an integral part of > a healthy body... Very well said! =) All the Best, Wong Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: August 07, 2008 08:33PM putting animals and environment first is inconceivable
humans have the MOST impact on the earth not animals and not plants plants are sessile animals don't litter human beings need to have a HUGE FOCUS on their OWN alignment animals are already aligned so are the members of the plant kingdom if human beings take great care to clean up their internal ecology it naturally follows that they will also wish to be superior stewards of their external environment Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: August 07, 2008 08:36PM human beings who pollute their own bodies with cigarettes, alcohol, junk food
television commercials,etc. and then spend gargantuan amounts of time fighting for animal rights and the environment strike me as a conundrum as well as an enigma i could use other euphemisms but i won't Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
pakd4fun
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Date: August 07, 2008 09:05PM Wow LaV!!! Impressive post! Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
Joanne81
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Date: August 08, 2008 07:53PM la_veronique - It is heartening to know what is best for our bodies is best for the Earth Community. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: August 08, 2008 07:54PM la_veronique Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > if human beings take great care to clean up their > internal ecology > it naturally follows that they will also wish to > be superior stewards of their external environment you got it lady. right on the money, honey! Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
davidzanemason
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Date: August 10, 2008 04:17AM Right! LaV is straight on. The key is not to achieve 'perfect health' but perfect non-attachment....to either one: having health or not having health. Have truly peaceful people....and the 'world' is cured....trying to 'heal' the world any other way is a stop-gap measure at best. I certainly agree with you Joanne that helping others can be a great way to go beyond the self.....and bring peace.
-David Z. Mason WWW.RawFoodFarm.com Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
Lightform
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Date: August 11, 2008 05:52AM Mmmm.... this is something that is taking on new meaning for me as well. I'm noticing that I have to alter my way of thinking or the focus of my general attention in order to be comfortable eating in a manner that premotes health. I believe that what david has just said is also true of healing the planet, it has got to start with your own mind !!!
It is so awesome to know that there are people out there who either know, or are starting to realise this. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: August 11, 2008 07:24AM "its too late
tonight to drag the past out into the light we need to carry each other.. carry each other oooooooooooooooohhhhh" i LOVE this song its by U2 been listening to it and singing along a lot lately somehow its related to the post not sure how just a feeling Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
pakd4fun
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Date: August 11, 2008 03:01PM I see the relation,LaV, for me anyway. Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
dewey
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Date: August 11, 2008 04:19PM la_veronique Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "its too late > tonight > to drag the past out into the light > we need to carry each other.. carry each other > oooooooooooooooohhhhh" > > i LOVE this song > its by U2 LOVE THAT SONG! i was out dancing the other night to an amazing cover band and they played it. it is awesome! patty Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
davidzanemason
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Date: August 11, 2008 05:27PM Ha! Yes....a bit of a co-incidence Lav! I was thinking of another U2 lyric in relation to this post: "A man melts the sand so he can see the world outside." Heh...heh.
-David Z. Mason WWW.RawFoodFarm.com Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: August 12, 2008 02:58AM hey davey
name of song? post the link? i wanna hear it i always ignored U2 not sure why but i heard this song recently and it just HIT me real good now i can't get it out of my head and i'm so happy about it  Re: Just curious...
Posted by:
dewey
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Date: August 12, 2008 03:28AM u2 is an awesome band!
glad you`re taking notice Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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