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Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: August 15, 2008 05:34PM

[www.breitbart.com]

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A 'Frankenrobot' with a biological brain
Aug 13 03:25 PM US/Eastern




Meet Gordon, probably the world's first robot controlled exclusively by living brain tissue.

Stitched together from cultured rat neurons, Gordon's primitive grey matter was designed at the University of Reading by scientists who unveiled the neuron-powered machine on Wednesday.

Their groundbreaking experiments explore the vanishing boundary between natural and artificial intelligence, and could shed light on the fundamental building blocks of memory and learning, one of the lead researchers told AFP.

"The purpose is to figure out how memories are actually stored in a biological brain," said Kevin Warwick, a professor at the University of Reading and one of the robot's principle architects.

Observing how the nerve cells cohere into a network as they fire off electrical impulses, he said, may also help scientists combat neurodegenerative diseases that attack the brain such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

"If we can understand some of the basics of what is going on in our little model brain, it could have enormous medical spinoffs," he said.

Looking a bit like the garbage-compacting hero of the blockbuster animation "Wall-E", Gordon has a brain composed of 50,000 to 100,000 active neurons.

Once removed from rat foetuses and disentangled from each other with an enzyme bath, the specialised nerve cells are laid out in a nutrient-rich medium across an eight-by-eight centimetre (five-by-five inch) array of 60 electrodes.

This "multi-electrode array" (MEA) serves as the interface between living tissue and machine, with the brain sending electrical impulses to drive the wheels of the robots, and receiving impulses delivered by sensors reacting to the environment.

Because the brain is living tissue, it must be housed in a special temperature-controlled unit -- it communicates with its "body" via a Bluetooth radio link.

The robot has no additional control from a human or computer.

From the very start, the neurons get busy. "Within about 24 hours, they start sending out feelers to each other and making connections," said Warwick.

"Within a week we get some spontaneous firings and brain-like activity" similar to what happens in a normal rat -- or human -- brain, he added.

But without external stimulation, the brain will wither and die within a couple of months.

"Now we are looking at how best to teach it to behave in certain ways," explained Warwick.

To some extent, Gordon learns by itself. When it hits a wall, for example, it gets an electrical stimulation from the robot's sensors. As it confronts similar situations, it learns by habit.

To help this process along, the researchers also use different chemicals to reinforce or inhibit the neural pathways that light up during particular actions.

Gordon, in fact, has multiple personalities -- several MEA "brains" that the scientists can dock into the robot.

"It's quite funny -- you get differences between the brains," said Warwick. "This one is a bit boisterous and active, while we know another is not going to do what we want it to."

Mainly for ethical reasons, it is unlikely that researchers at Reading or the handful of laboratories around the world exploring the same terrain will be using human neurons any time soon in the same kind of experiments.

But rats brain cells are not a bad stand-in: much of the difference between rodent and human intelligence, speculates Warwick, could be attributed to quantity not quality.

Rats brains are composed of about one million neurons, the specialised cells that relay information across the brain via chemicals called neurotransmitters.

Humans have 100 billion.

"This is a simplified version of what goes on in the human brain where we can look -- and control -- the basic features in the way that we want. In a human brain, you can't really do that," he said.

For colleague Ben Whalley, one of the fundamental questions facing scientists today is how to link the activity of individual neurons with the overwhelmingly complex behaviour of whole organisms.

"The project gives us a unique opportunity to look at something which may exhibit complex behaviours, but still remain closely tied to the activity of individual neurons," he said.

Both cool & scary at the same time!

For the religious types - does this bot with a brain have a soul? Or, if you arbitrarily believe only the human animal has a soil, would the cyborg have a soul if it had a human brain?

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Joanne81 ()
Date: August 15, 2008 06:17PM

I feel sorry for the rat stuck in a robot body. He/she will never know what it is like to fully experience being a rat. Rats laugh when they are tickled you know, the sound is just too high for humans to hear. The poor rat will never know the joy of being tickled. They are also very playful, with big personalities. I hate how they are disrespected and seen as objects to experiment on.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/15/2008 06:25PM by Joanne81.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: dewey ()
Date: August 15, 2008 11:44PM

Joanne81 Wrote:
Rats laugh when they are
> tickled you know, the sound is just too high for
> humans to hear.

seriously? do you have some web proof? i`d like to send it to my friend...she has 2 pet rats
patty

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: la_veronique ()
Date: August 16, 2008 01:01AM

hmmmm

something to think about
will think about it some more

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Joanne81 ()
Date: August 16, 2008 02:31AM

[news.bbc.co.uk]

[www.youtube.com]

Here is an article and a video about rats laughing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2008 02:31AM by Joanne81.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: arugula ()
Date: August 16, 2008 03:50AM

Yeah, I think I have previously posted this. There is a guy (Panskepp) at Bowling Green State Uni that wrote about 5 papers on it. Some of them are free, they might not say so in pubmed but a google search will provide them.


[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: August 16, 2008 04:11AM

i'm sorry, i couldn't get past the rat brain tissue part in the beginning. that was sad and painful to read. we had rats as pets too. sad smiley

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Lightform ()
Date: August 16, 2008 04:21AM

I've just been thinking about this after reading the artical CB, and in relation to your question. My interpretation of the soul is that it is an inherent consciousness/energy which suffuses all things, and that we as humans start to identify with it when it reaches a certain level of complexity.

So I think that this robot would have about as much of a "soul" as a fruit fly or there abouts. Of course.. there are those who would atribute a soul selectively to humans, in which case the question would need to be be directed to those specific individuals.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: August 16, 2008 05:08AM

i'm confused... are you saying that a fruit fly has a "lesser" soul than a larger creature? by what measure? because they are small? it seems to me that a soul is a soul is a soul, if in fact there is such a thing, and that none are smaller or lesser than the rest. how can that sort of thing be qualified?

also, i wonder if the soul resides in the tissue of a creature or in the consciousness. i don't know if a part of a body, say a finger, holds soul even if it is kept "alive" in a lab. that seems quite odd to me.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: dewey ()
Date: August 16, 2008 05:29AM

Joanne81 Wrote:
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> [news.bbc.co.uk]
> m
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> [www.youtube.com]
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> Here is an article and a video about rats
> laughing.

thanks joanne...i passed it on to my friend smiling smiley
patty

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Lightform ()
Date: August 16, 2008 06:12AM

Coco
This is just my perspective. I feel that "a soul" is "the soul", and is just embodied in a fruit fly with less complexity. I was realy trying to express that I do indeed think that this robot would have a "soul" in the same way that I think a rock has one, and I have one, but is just expressed in a simpler form. As I said.. this is just my perspective. Who defines what it means anyway ?

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Joanne81 ()
Date: August 16, 2008 01:09PM

I think I agree with Lightform. I see all life is an embodiment of the universal consciousness, which like energy never ceases and constantly changes form. This consciousness is what I think of as soul. The rat has a soul. The scientists were even amused by it's personality. I imagine it is just shining more dimly, while embodied in this way then say a normal rat. Although it is ignorant to try and quantify one type of soul as superior to another, because that would just be opinions coming from my human centered biases. I would rather live in gratitude and wonder for this mysterious, gorgeous, numinous existence and all the beings in it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2008 01:11PM by Joanne81.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: August 16, 2008 01:39PM

ah, yes. in that case you are right in line with my thinking. soul=universal energy. yes, absolutely.
i am liking the ideas this brings to my mind of treating everything that one encounters with a respectful fraternity. kwim? even the rocks. appreciating and honouring and taking nothing for granted for we are all one. we are the rocks dancing after all.

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Re: Cyborg with rat brain comes to life!!
Posted by: ThomasLantern ()
Date: August 17, 2008 06:13AM

fruit is alive too, you know. murderer.

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