BUT NONE OF THESE DEMONS -- INCLUDING THE GRAND DRAGON SATAN -- are powerful enough to be considered a dualistic counterpart to God. They are simply lost souls in need of heavy-duty repentance.
thanks loeve, good rocks, demons well just givem a cookie!
and tell em to go sit.

I like your post above Riverhouse.

We've all had our own demons, we've all been tempted. So, in that sense, I believe "the devil" and "demons" do exist. I prefer not to believe in "the devil" or "demons" literally.

But if someone else chooses to see it differently, or chooses any belief that's not the same as mine, that's OK with me too, as long as their belief is not hurtful to others.

There are many ways to interpret the Bible and most other religious scripts. When people say they interpret everything in the Bible literally, they really don't, or they'd be putting their children to death when the kids were sassy.

"And he that curseth (or revileth) his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death." - The Lord speaking to Moses (Exodus 21.17)

Nor would such literalists ever enter a church:

"And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone, for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it... (Exodus 20.25)

"Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar..." (Exodus 20.26).

And literalists would insist upon owning slaves:

"Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession...(Leviticus 25.45)

"And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-men for ever..." (Leviticus 25.46)

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I don't think Jesus cared much whether we believe in heaven or hell or demons or angels or reincarnation or the tooth fairy. He probably would not have killed any of his children or kept slaves. And, according to the Bible, he didn't mind working on the Sabbath to heal people.

I believe that the most important lesson of Christianity has nothing to do with demons or devils. It has everthing to do with how we treat one another.

Matthew 7. 1 - 21 contains the classic Christian lesson, including the "Golden Rule":

-"Judge not, that ye be not Judged." (Matthew 7.1)

-"For EVERYONE that asketh, receiveth. And he that seeketh, findeth." (Matthew 7.8)

-"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for THIS is the law..." (Matthew 7.12)

-"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7.21)



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Tamukha,

How do you know what I know of Christianity of today?

Lots of nonsense on google just because it is on there doesn't mean it is accurate.

Kwan if questions peoples posts is picking fights then we obviously have different definitions of the word.

Riverhousebill How dare you say there is no God when so many say they have God in them and is in all around us?

globalresult,

I'm gonna try breakin' it down for you one last time, and then you're on your own:
a.)The earliest Christians believed in the inherent Godness of every human being, that each of us is the literal child of the Creator and that Jesus had an innate understanding of this, which is how he became The Christ.
b.)Your knee jerk hysterics about pedophiles not having Godness and how we cannot have it either because God is without and not within prove that you do not understand point a.)
c.)Given this, I have made assumptions about what you don't know. If you knew this stuff, you would not engage in posts summarized in point b.)

If I am wrong about your being fairly doctrinaire, there was no anticipating this, based on your posts in this thread. If I am wrong, and you know of the Essene Gospels, and their ilk, you should write like you do and discuss the matter of the original post learnedly. Lastly, if you cannot go to Google and find verifiable archeological/ethnological data, you may be beyond my hope. And that's a shame.

Thanks can you provide me a source for your current statement
"
The earliest Christians believed in the inherent Godness of every human being, that each of us is the literal child of the Creator and that Jesus had an innate understanding of this, which is how he became The Christ."

If God is the all-powerful One, as Christians believe, that pretty much slays the devil right there, doesn't it. And if God created all things, then the devil would be His creation also, so Satan is just a lovable little scarecrow of a symbol, a metaphor for all the things that go 'bump' in the recesses of the collective human psyche.

Sharrhan:


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Yes, even in the war in heaven of Revelation 12:7 it was Michael, not God, who fought the dragon:

7 And war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, but they were defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The great dragon was thrown down, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world - he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Wouldn't it be ironic if hell turns out to be unoccupied.

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globalresult Wrote:
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> Yes,
>
> So if God sees then he must have a body right?
The Bible says God is a 'Spirit'. It's more
convenient for us to give Him a body.....WY

globalresult,

Thanks can you provide me a source for your current statement
"
The earliest Christians believed in the inherent Godness of every human being, that each of us is the literal child of the Creator and that Jesus had an innate understanding of this, which is how he became The Christ."


[sigh]Uh, no. This is exactly what I was talking about--if you don't understand what we're discussing, do your own homework on it. Google what I suggested a few posts above. I know these things already, and don't need to review. Godspeed you.

Riverhousebill How dare you say there is no God when so many say they have God in them and is in all around us?

There is no God Global like I say there is Jingo Bog yes but no god. my bible is right.

The Russian word for god is"Bog." The Basques call the surpreme Being "Jingo."
To purge your psychic dockets of built fixations about deity, you might try
singing improvisational prayerts to "Jingo Bog."

Globalresult how dare you say there is only one god? anyway if it is down to one
it's a she!

remember Whats My Line- ( Will The real God please stand up)



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riverhousebill Wrote:
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> Riverhousebill How dare you say there is no God
> when so many say they have God in them and is in
> all around us?
Riverhousebill.....You could prove your Point
if you expressed your feelings differently. But maybe you're
proving, that for you, there is no God. I'll go through
your posts and look at what you say. You may even convince me.
There are Zen Masters who can take either side of an argument,
and win both ways.
I think I'd rather take the side that there is a God, and live
my life accordingly.....WY

Rather than debate whether or not there is
a God, I'd rather find out about the Essene Jesus.
Was he someone we can emulate? Or, is he unreachable like
the Jesus of the Christian Bible?.....WY

.....You could prove your Point
if you expressed your feelings differently. But maybe you're
proving, that for you, there is no God. I'll go through
your posts and look at what you say. You may even convince me

Wheatgrass if you look back at my post on quantum physics, the theorys on
this subject say God is real, yes and some of the world leading physicist are now
believers. a connect in physics and spirit has been made by the science, wave and light sub atom
thru sub atom.
god is real not only that, but all the gods are real in this theory! So for the record I believe in quantum physics,I have seen prove that would shock all here
thru a friend in Santa Barbara Ca, who was the first in this state to use quantum
physics to fight a rare cancer, more on that latter if you like. thankyou for
taking time to go back and read the post, It is the other way for me I believe
in the quantum theorys and they say all the gods are real! I
If you want to sell me on the one male god trip forget it, nice novel.

I think I'd rather take the side that there is a God, and live
my life accordingly.....WY Yes stand with all the gods who are of true peace
for all life!



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riverhousebill Wrote:
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> ...........WY Yes stand with all
> the gods who are of true peace
> for all life!
.....It's one thing to allow me to stand
with God, but another thing to select the God for me
to stand with. The one you selected is not my God of choice.
I'm still convinced we ourselves can become Spiritual
Creatures (God within, if you will), but I'd never say
"and riverhousebill, you should become one too......WY

The one you selected is not my God of choice. wrong I picked em all so yours is in there too unless you say no.


excusse me what god did I select, this is getting weird

If I had to pick it would be the one for peace and respect for all life like I said before, what kind have you selected?



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riverhousebill Wrote:
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> If I had to pick it would be the one for peace
> and respect for all life like I said before, what
> kind have you selected?
My God is a force.....a Wave of Love, that
can be felt and projected, but not seen.
Words are inadequate to describe God's Love.....WY

Wheatgrass Yogi Wrote:
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> riverhousebill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I had to pick it would be the one for peace
> > and respect for all life like I said before,
> what
> > kind have you selected?
> My God is a force.....a Wave of Love, that
> can be felt and projected, but not seen.
> Words are inadequate to describe God's Love.....WY

Yup thats my god to!

Hey I selected that same one too Wheatgrass

Tamukha,

No need to be moody I am asking you question and a opportunity to reply in a sensible manner that's all.

If you post something please clarify not all of us want to google.

The idea of God being in others and in rocks, trees etc. is nonsense and defamation.

One day you will understand.

He is the supreme soul all loving all knowing.

Please do not insult him.

Jingo bog, Jingo Bog, Jingo all the way... ;}

Globalresult wrote-The idea of God being in others and in rocks, trees etc. is nonsense and defamation.

What if Everything's Alive?
Yua is a term the Yupit people of Alaska use for the spirit that inhabits all
things, both animate aninanimate. a rock, for instance,has as much yua as a
caribou, sprucetree, or human being, and therefore merits the same measure of
compassion. If a Yupiit goes out for a hike and spies a chunk of wood lying
on a frozen river bank, she may pick it up and put it in a new position,
allowing its previously hidden side to get fresh air and sun. In this way,
she would betow a blessing on the wood's yua.
But Global say's this tribe is nonsense and only his religion is real?
Sounds like a fundalmenatist to me. Only my way to pray is right, the rest
are wrong right Glob? the Yupit are stupid right just you know.

I did not mention anything about praying this is termed "bhatki marg" rituals nonsense.

No need for this.

Yupit and others just follow rituals that have been handed down.

But to say God is in everything is a very big defamation.

I do not say my Religion is real or only mine.

I am not for any religion. Religions are founded by elightened souls but an enlightened soul is much different from the Father of souls.

Father is Father and children are children.

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People believe all sorts of different things about God. I don't think God is insulted by anyone's belief, especially if God is "all-loving". If I'm wrong, then God must be pretty unhappy all the time, since there are so many different beliefs out there.

Some people (myself perhaps included) might think that God is everywhere. If God is everywhere, then, naturally, God is in everything.

(Sundancer, that was too funny!)

Globalresult, forgive me for asking, but how do you know that God is not in rocks?

And how do you know what is nonsense and what is not?

You're just saying what you THINK, like the rest of us, right? None of us know all there is to know about God.

That's OK though.

I'd even go so far as to say that if there's a God, and if God has a plan, then not knowing everything all at once is probably part of the plan.

Maybe the plan is like a puzzle, and we all have a piece of it. Maybe our own piece won't do us any good until we can fit it together with the pieces of others. Maybe we don't even know what our own piece is, until .......? Maybe everytime we do something right by showing compassion to another, we are fitting our pieces together and helping to fulfill God's plan. (just a thought, but I like it)



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I see nonsense for what has not worked for ages.

The masters have come throughtout the ages and the world has not improved it has gotten worse so imho only God can give us the strength and power.

Imho I don't feel that God has feelings unlike ours he is what he is the ocean of love and knowledge.

It is a fascinating subject matter to me.

One in which I have deep repect and appreciation for the Beloved Father.

Yes it is a great mystery but I believe one day the mystery will be revealed and the world will be in awe.

"the ocean of love and knowledge"

"A Wave of Love"

"Peace and respect for all life"

Seems there's a common thread within this thread.





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globalresult Wrote:
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> he is the ocean of love and
> knowledge.
>
> It is a fascinating subject matter to me.
>
> One in which I have deep respect and appreciation
> for the Beloved Father.
>
> Yes it is a great mystery but I believe one day
> the mystery will be revealed and the world will be in awe.

Globalresult, I really like this - an expression of great reverence if I ever heard one.

I feel you've shined a light.

Please, know that you're not alone in your reverence for your creator, although it may be that we express our reverence in different ways.

When I say I believe that "God is in everything", or when I say "Aloha", it's only intended as an expression of my own reverence for the greatness and, yes, power of God.

I believe all expressions of reverence are worthy of appreciation and respect, as long as those expressions are not hurtful. Any gift from any Loving heart, left at God's door belongs to God, and the gift does not require prior approval from me.

None of us know the Truth, and none of us is perfect. We might as well rejoice together in whatever each of us is able to offer.



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suncloud Wrote:
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> None of us know the Truth, and none of us is
> perfect.
That kind of talk will keep you bound. I 'claim'
I'm Perfect, and All-Knowing, and become so.
My favorite Bible scripture is Mark 5:25-34....the woman
with the issue of Blood. "For she said...." is repeated
several times. We get what we say.......WY

[www.biblegateway.com];

globalresult,

I am not being moody; just fed up. I Google(or read books or listen to others) to find out what I don't know. I don't expect others to do it for me because that's intellectually lazy. Yes, it is. By the way,

"One day you will understand.

He is the supreme soul all loving all knowing.

Please do not insult him."

Yup. I was right. You're pretty mainstream and doctrinaire in your Christianity. And that's your right as a free person. But don't foist it on the rest of us with nothing to back it up but your [mistranslated] Good News Bible.

My God isn't a "he." Please don't insult It by ascribing anthropomorphism to It. My God is beyond male and female. Amen.