does anyone do it?
what programs , CD's do you use?
what was your intent?
what was your experience?

i'm interested

Has been beer.
Porno.
Loud music at a level that surpasses a live concert
Pizza
model building
working out
walks
enjoying licking an engorged nipple. and............
Juicing.
talking for hours to someone who is having problems.

really?
Do you want them all???

Vin

Hmmm, my list's a mite different from Vinny's, especially regarding the porno and nipple parts . . .

Crossword puzzles, especially the New York Times; reading a challenging essay or story that requires focus and opens up my mental parameters[like Borges]; listening to challenging/moving music; reading something in a language I once sort of learned but have largely forgotten; meditating on vague memories from my childhood to see if they become clearer; etc.

I find that I don't need a lot of tools: just musing about stuff is pretty interesting if you have a nerd brain[which I clearly do!]. A while back, I ordered a CD called, "Creative Mind System," from a researcher named Dr. Jeffrey Thompson. Haven't listened to it yet, though. It's supposed to be synthetic music that cycles the brain waves to those most conducive to creative expression. At the very least, I am expecting some relaxing techno

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> Loud music at a level that surpasses a live
> concert.

Not a good idea. If I were you, I'd get my hearing checked immediately. By the time you're 60, it'll show up.

Study: 1 in 5 US Teenagers has Slight Hearing Loss -


[news.yahoo.com]

okay

hey

thanks

u 2 kidraw

I read the book Brain Gym years ago and did the exercises for a while, but didn't stick to it, but I've been wanting to get started again. I think it helps with brain and eye coordination and other good stuff -

[esl.about.com]

I just bought another copy because I don't know where mine is --

[search.half.ebay.com]

Crosswords, Sudoku, Boggle, reading old texts and classic literature, trivia questions, keeping a log of new words as I read, learning to draw still using Loomis, jigsaw puzzles.

My goal is entertainment, but I find activities that require a little thought to be more entertaining than shopping, TV or light magazines. Unfortunately, I'm not that bright, so I find that I don't retain enough information to learn new languages or study music, which I actually would love to do, or to develop any kind of expertise in any field.

hi kidraw

thanks for the article link.
brain gym look s very interesting esp. the one where u cross the wrists and ankles. its true, it did make me feel calm immediately. i also like the one where you press on the heart chakra and navel simultaneously. that one was also very centering. i might check out

hi veghunter

u must have a LOT of patience to do crossword puzzles and jigsaw puzzles
both of those make me feel incredibly impatient LOL

u said you are not very bright so you hestitate with music and learning of other language

but u say you would LOVE to do those

love is its own form of bright- ness

and a very powerful form as well

explore what you love

and be delighted

you don't have to eat an entire chocolate bar in order to enjoy it

you can just take little tiny nibbles

so.. maybe learn a word a day or even a week
and then it gains momentum

same with music

and learning an instrument

Yeah, veghunter, you don't sound not bright

Vinny: may I suggest you try writing porn? You see to have a...way with words...

I think brain entrainment is getting confused with entertainment? Are you talking about guided meditations and such? I have been doing these almost daily online. Just look them up on Youtube. Also biaural beats are like wow!

Thanks, la_veronique and Tamukha, I tried for years and have learned very little. I think I missed the plasticity window for whatever those particular areas require.

La_veronique, I would like to know what you do to exercise your brain as the thread starter. You seem to have a unique outlook and writing style.

banana who Wrote:
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> Vinny: may I suggest you try writing porn? You see
> to have a...way with
> words...[www.freesmileys.org]-
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Hee Hee -

I thought the same thing a few weeks ago. Must be a deeply embedded talent that is aching to surface!

To end my confusion I looked entrainment up in the dictionary:

1. vt: To put aboard a train. vi: To go aboard a train.

I'm definitely all for it. I once jumped a freight going up the beautiful Eel River in NW coastal California. Great brain entrainment for the day.

No wait, here it is:

1. To draw along with or after oneself.

Finally here's a Wikipedia quote for any that were as clueless as me:

Quote

Brainwave entrainment or "brainwave synchronization", is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state (for example, to induce sleep), usually attempted with the use of specialized software. It purportedly depends upon a "frequency following" response on the assumption that the human brain has a tendency to change its dominant EEG frequency towards the frequency of a dominant external stimulus. Such a stimulus is often aural, as in the case of binaural or monaural beats and isochronic tones, or else visual, as with a dreamachine, a combination of the two with a mind machine, or even electromagnetic radiation.

[en.wikipedia.org]

The Gregorian Chants come to mind.

Hah, thanks, brome. I didn't even notice it when banana_who pointed it out. Did I mention language wasn't a strong point for me?

i play around alot on this brain tgame site [www.lumosity.com]

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

well, i asked the question
but i am not sure i still understand precisely ( as in PRECISELY) what the definition still means

but in my spirit
i understand it
its hard to explain
i understand it totally
but only in spirit

it means something different to me
than the definition
even though the definition is accurate

to truly understand it
i have to experience it

and i do
in many different ways
like when i am totally entranced by something i am doing, hearing or even a thought that is not really transcending but deeply resonates with me

when i am in that state
i feel i don't have to synchronize with anything
or listen to any CD's or programs ( which i sometimes do but it seems like a temporary solution)

other times,
i think its okay
that i am not in synchrony with a lot of things
i am in synchrony with chaos
and chaos pushed to its edge
results in its opposite
polarity

which is alright with me
but i'm always still interested

because i like to be in a constant state of flux
in a way that is flowing
which i am in always
once i make up my mind
that whatever state i am in
is the state i wish to be in

and actually perhaps entrainment and entertainment
are both two sides of the same coin
when you are entranced your brainwaves are entrained and to be entrained you have to be entertained because that is how you are entranced

and yes
gregorian chants are an excellent way as well coupled to certain music
and binaural beats are very entrancing as well

la_veronique, it sounds like you're well on your way to enlightenment without using any special techniques.

The common thread thru many techniques is to stop the internal dialogue and be aware. Once you stop talking to yourself the brain fades from the picture and all you're left with is the soul. Then you can realize that you're not the body or the mind, but the soul.

The chant of OM by Yogis and Hindus is mind entrainment. It is used to bring the mind into synchrony with eternal cosmic sound and energy current, Nadam.

Also all music takes the mind (entrainment) into special mental states. Lullabies and rocking induce sleep rhythms in the infant. Amazing Grace is so mystically profound that Bill Moyers did a special on it.

Google has millions of links to all sorts of cds and downloads. Here's one with some info and freebies:

[www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com]

la_veronique Wrote:
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> does anyone do it?
> what programs , CD's do you use?
> what was your intent?
> what was your experience?
>
> i'm interested

Well this is not Brain Entrainment, but it is entertaining brain stuff:

Chaos: [www.chaospro.de] The site has info, program is a free download.(fractal art, literally hours of free fun)

Mandelbulb: [www.skytopia.com] (lots more on fractals)

Download the program free:
[www.fractalforums.com]

The whole skytopia is worth checking out. (lots of areas of interest pertaining to math)

I've tried the fractals, but not much cuz I'm addicted to Houdini Master.

Sidfx Houdini: If you really, really want a "pull your hair out learning, but this is soooo incredibly cool it's worth the pain" type of a challenge:

Sidefx Houdini, a procedural based CG modeling and animation. Scripting in python. This is a steep, steep learning curve, but programming and math were never so much fun! What you can do with a couple trig functions is mind boggling!

A free non-commercial version called Apprentice is available at: [www.sidefx.com]

The Commercial (Master) version of the program is used for virtual effects in most blockbuster movies.

Also: ZBrush offers a free organic modeling program called Sculptris. It's still in the Alpha test stage, so it's not prefect. Organic modeling pure 3d art, no math or programming.

Available Here: [www.zbrushcentral.com]
info here: [www.sculptris.com]

All of these are legally free, safe to download, clean of viruses, fun and definitely worth a try.

Enjoy!



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thanks brome and swimmer

its always good to expand my horizons
and see what is out there

my mind keeps changing
with every breathe i take

wow

i give up trying to keep track of it
just gonna be

banana who Wrote:
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> Vinny: may I suggest you try writing porn? You see
> to have a...way with
> words...[www.freesmileys.org]-
> confused009.gif

People write porn? I thought it just kinda happened...j/k,lol.

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Oh, mirror in the sky
What is love?
Can the child within my heart rise above?
Can I sail through the changing ocean tides?
Can I handle the seasons of my life?

Just kinda happened? Are we talking "inspiration" or what?

I find it amazing how when ever the subject of "intelligence" or a persons mental faculty is raised, most people will immediately strip it down to someones academic or technical ability. To me this is a major oversight, due to our societal emphasys on success being the sole product of ones aptitude for control of our physical environment. We rate everything by "how much someone has achieved", not by how happy they are or how benifical they are to others.

IMO not being fluent at accedemic things does not mean that you lack intelligence, it means that your area of brilliance is in another area which you haven't yet acknowledged. Ironically alot of our greatest achievers were told they were nuts many times in their life because they went against convention and seemed very stupid at the time. I believe that we all have genius within us, and that it starts to immerge when we follow our passions, NOT when we conform to social standards of intellectual relelation.

intelligence is just a word

SWIMMER!!!!
Wow, that's so cool.


I sew or do other handy crafts like crochet which I find nearly mesmerizing at times. I've been cutting out the exact same sized pieces of fabric for a few nights in a row and it's certainly monotonous but not in an unpleasant way. I've got a little electronic sudoko thingy that I quite like, crosswords too but many of the clues get used regularly which makes it not as fun sometimes. I love to sit with the small girl in my lap and rub her back or her hair, that's hypnotic. More for me than for her, she's wiggly and runs away to play after a while. And I've written some porn but that's not very trance inducing. Sex might qualify, I can't quite remember that far back in time though .


I don't know that sitting meditation works very well for this culture, generally speaking we are a bit too active and outwardly focused for that I think. Things like monotonous activity (sweeping, vacuuming, washing dishes etc) are a bit more accessible IMO and just as mindless (by that I mean turn off the busy mind). Shovelling snow is a working meditation for me. I don't think about much, not even how far I've gotten or still have to go. I just shovel and sweat and shovel some more. It can be really quiet outside when the world is under a blanket of flakes too, very tranquil.

Hey coco!

How it going? Good I hope!

I really am having more fun learning Houdini than any other thing I've ever learned, and I've studied some pretty cool art and techie stuff over the years!

I started taking little trips to the beach for meditation. I'm not even bringing a camera, just watching and listening to the rhythm of the waves. The rhythm of the earth is powerfully energizing, and relaxing me at the same time.


Brome,

Thanks for the definition. I've never heard of it before, but have been playing with waves for to find pleasing pulsating visual effects. I can see how the right audible and visual frequencies could be very relaxing.

i wonder how much of our behaviour is a servant to neuro biology

I wonder if the egg came first