just wondering

like sometimes people fear death, i suppose

maybe that shows that the biggest hope is eternity

or maybe eternity is the biggest fear

i don't know

but i always thought that when i listen to people tell me what they fear

it always seems to indicate that the opposite of what is feared is what is hoped for

is that true?

i mean is that always true?

an example is if someone fears being robbed
that means their fear is of not having anything

so does that mean the hope is to have everything?

i think the way i am saying it sounds all wrong

i meant to say something
but it is coming out all wrong for some reason

maybe there isn't a direct correlation after all

or maybe there is but i'm getting all tongue tied

My one great fear is of shark attack. I don't live near an ocean, nor vacation near them, usually. I can safely say it doesn't mean anything deeper than that I don't want to be attacked by a shark : )

I think this is worth examining in the case of existential fears, like fear of robbery could indicate a desire for contentment, or security, or self-trust, or something like that.

Tamukha Wrote:
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> My one great fear is of shark attack. I don't
> live near an ocean, nor vacation near them,
> usually. I can safely say it doesn't mean
> anything deeper than that I don't want to be
> attacked by a shark : )
No one in their right mind would want to be attacked
by a Shark. If you're constantly thinking about it, there
may be a problem.....WY

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does one's biggest fear always indicate one's biggest hope?

I don't know about always (I mistrust "always" nearly always ) but it's a workable theory. I hate feeling trapped & I do love & hope for freedom. But I also hate being alone, unheard, misunderstood so I suppose I hope for connection. I guess my ideal would be supremely free & supremely connected at the same time.

Wheatgrasss Yogi,

I try not to think too much about shark attack, but the world, she is against me: I turned on the TV today, and was flipping through the channels, la-di-da-di-da, and what should be on Animal Planet but . . . a swimmer being attacked by a shark! I sank deep into the futon thinking, is there no escape?

cb,

You poor thing, you sound like me. But I am a Scorpio, and it is our curse to long for solitude as much as for togetherness. Flying Dutchmanitis. You can't have both liberty and real social connectedness. You must choose one or the other, or a fraction of both that you can tolerate. It's a life's work, it is . . .

tamukha says to cb:


<<You poor thing, you sound like me. But I am a Scorpio, and it is our curse to long for solitude as much as for togetherness. Flying Dutchmanitis. You can't have both liberty and real social connectedness. You must choose one or the other, or a fraction of both that you can tolerate. It's a life's work, it is . . .>>

ummm... can u give an example?
i wonder about this
i mean.. like.. what DO you mean?

are you saying that one has to choose one or the other?
are you saying that

1. being alone equals liberty
2. not being alone equals enslavement ( that is .. someone else or a bunch of people are nagging you and projecting onto you endless things LOL
3. one can be really socially connected but then lose one's sense of liberty in certain amounts
4. freedom is solitude?

5. then again, being alone can also feel like "solitary confinement" and thus not too cool
6. then again, if one was totally happy and content being alone... maybe one IS free after all..
7. jeeperz!!


i think i understand what u are saying
and i agree to a certain extent
but not completely

then again, you did mention fractions that one can tolerate

as for the shark thing

that is SOOOOOO interesting

because i have never enteratined fears of being attacked by sharks
and i think sharks are fascinating
so if i were to watch that show on animal planet

i would be captivated
not because i want to be attacked by a shark
but because i find sharks to be incredible creatures

but the reason why i resonated with your post is because

there are certain things i have obsessed over
and it just seems like whatever i tried to stop obsessing over

the universe , with its sometimes deplorable sense of humor
would decide to play tricks on me by having other people, media or whatever
incessantly fling those very obsessive thoughts i was trying to avoid
back into my face over and over and over again

so then i thought

1. okay.. if you just explore it ( like for you.. it would be the idea of being attacked by a shark)... then it will go away

and i tried to do it and it didn't go away

2. then i thought if i just ignore it.. it would go away...

and that didn't work

so.. then what i did was try to see what was good about the thing i feared
and that seems to help me a little


for example
i read an article
about a man
who was afraid of spiders
and he kept seeing them over and over again

and he also killed spiders too
because they were all over his house

and then of course, he would try to avoid them
and all other manners of things to get rid of them
both in his home and his mind

and then one time
he just decided to admire the spiders

the tensile strength of their webs
the geometry and ingenuity of their craftsmanship
etc. etc.

and then..

lo and behold
spiders disappeared from his home

i know that sounds far out

but i think there is something to that
maybe its karma
or something

i can't quite figure it out

but i'm working on it

one of my biggest fears used to be getting in a car accident
now i just focus on being TOTALLY healthy and protected
and i think that causes my driving to be on par with my beliefs

i have never gotten in a car accident
and my driving record is impeccable

so its like u with the shark attack
not sure why i have the fears sometimes

but maybe that indicates my greatest hope

is to always be whole happy and intact physically mentally spiritually

or something like that

it's called manifesting.

i decorated my bland wall at work with hand drawn pictures of animated fruit and witty sayings. every time i am at my computer i see those pictures and what do you think? i know, i know - geeze it's fruit - you eat that every day!

um- remember, i'm a greens eater, not a fruit eater - but about a month after putting those pictures up - fruit kept appearing in my life - which i consumed - but i did take those pictures down - cause too much fruit isn't as good as those greens for me!

the more you think about something - the more it appears in your life.
same is true for fear - even more so becuase it's backed up by emotion!

they say when you have a negative thought - that would include fear - turn it around into a positive one and your life will change for the better!

that's one of the reasons i try to surround myself with positive people, thoughts and deeds. it's a bit of work, but well worth it! i see wonderful changes in my life all the time!

Wheatgrass-it does this body good!



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I like this scene from Harry Potter about overcoming fears:

[www.youtube.com]

la-veronique,

You DO understand what I am saying: if liberty is marginally more imperative, then disconnect--this might be best for you; but if association is marginally more imperative, then connect--that might be best for you. Me, I try to connect and disconnect in about equal measure--sometimes I like to be in my own mind and independent, sometimes I like to congregate and meet other minds. Vacillation is part of my nature, I guess, and I have come up with a good fraction of separateness and togetherness for me. Now, I am not married, and perhaps my need for psychic solitude precludes this. And that's OK. The problem is when one tends more toward freedom but commits to a situation that hinders that, or when one tends more toward connectedness but commits to a situation that keeps one separated.

As for sharks: the rub is that I really respect sharks. They're a perfectly evolved life form; they occupy a specific, unchanging place in the ecosystem, and have maintained it for millions of years without needing to further adapt. Brilliant creatures! But brutal. I got nowhere to go to with my [slight]preoccupation with shark attack. I suspect that in a former life I was rent to pieces by one, and it's a vestigial phobia.

hey teloking wheatgrass diva

that is funny that u wallpapered with fruit and a bunch of yummy fruit kept appearing til u had to tear the pics down .. though made me a wee bit sad

but u know i love greens too
esp. drinking them
though i still am not too keen on the wheatgrass thing
but i do love all the other greens juiced except for mustard greens because those make me feel like my mouth is on fire

hi tamukha

yeah, just the other day i was wondering about that
i thought that maybe it was a past life thing
because sometimes i have such a strong connection to certain things
and i dont' know why
and i could swear that it was because that was what i was in my past life

maybe you fell off a pirate ship
had to walk a plank
and then became some maco shark's breakfast
or something

i'm thinking
maybe say " thank you" for that past life experience (IF.. and that is a big IF...you think that might be the cause... or not)

because if that is what happened
it opened up a doorway for you to be here now
in this form

if it didn't happen
you wouldn't be here
now
in this form

Tamukha:

Any time someone talks to me about sharks, I have to direct them here:

[www.youtube.com]

=)

According to ancient Hawaiian legend, wearing a shark tooth necklace will always protect you from shark attack. They are also VEGAN!!! (I did my research, sharks have 1000s of teeth that fall out all the time, and only the ones that fall out naturally can fossilize into what people can actually use for jewelry!)

My strange post about sharks!

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I also suppose, in a sense, losing your greatest hope is the greatest fear? Hmm... I hope to have no fear? =D

Thanks, phantom! Ah, that Steve Zahn--he makes anything wry : )

Omega Wrote:
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> I like this scene from Harry Potter about
> overcoming fears:
O....There's a lot of truth in your movie clip. The mind is more powerful than we realize. "The Secret" is a movie that says the same thing in a different way....WY

Tamukha

<<Brilliant creatures! But brutal. I got nowhere to go to with my [slight]preoccupation with shark attack. I suspect that in a former life I was rent to pieces by one, and it's a vestigial phobia.>>

that's kind of interesting
i do wonder about things like that sometimes
why there is such a charge on certain things ( seemingly for ZERO reasons and not much charge on others)
past life .... hmmmm... past life to me is just saying that energy is immutable just transformed

i have vestigial happiness too
like i'm happy for ZERO reasons
seemingly
i mean, i think i was born that way
maybe i have a bit of both

dunno

its good either way

maybe phobias mean that we are afraid of losing something
and the thing that is lost is a thing of great preciousness
so its still not a bad thing entirely
its an indication of a good thing
being extant