Anybody else sick of the "Bullying" Industry --

The Booming Anti-Bullying Industry

[www.newsweek.com]

"Edward Wall, a Massachusetts entrepreneur who developed an electronic tracking system for school bullies, is not deaf to the business possibilities inherent in his anti-bullying Web system."

Of course, we all know it's 'wrong' and 'bad' to bully anybody, but as usual, it's being carried to the Nth degree to fulfull some groups' agenda. Think of all the new non-profits who can make money off it.

No. There is no such thing as public opprobrium anymore and parents don't seem to care about The Golden Rule and to inculcate their children in its meaning anymore. So, people increasingly say and do things to others that ought to be unacceptable socially and, more important, which they would never submit to themselves, and get away with it. When social norms are not imposed in microcosm, the disorder that results will eventually get the attention of an external authority because it threatens a society's stability and encourages barbarism. This external authority will in turn attempt to reinforce pre-existing norms in order to reimpose order and stave off barbarism. This is a mechanism of civilization, and when we keep moving the goalposts away from civilization, but backward toward the Swamp, we become inured against injustice on a local level, things get out of hand, injustice goes viral and an over response from society naturally follows.

Denouncing laws that protect the vulnerable in our society is not the solution, because it doesn't address the origin of the problem. It is also unethical. Making sure we raise our children to be respectful and respectable, mentoring other's children to be the same way, and demanding respectfulness from adults and authorities are the solutions, because it is the lack of these things that is the problem.



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Kidraw,
"Of course, we all know it's 'wrong' and 'bad' to bully anybody, but as usual, it's being carried to the Nth degree to fulfull some groups' agenda."

I don't really see that. I have been a victim of what I understand now to have been workplace bullying. The problem was that all of the management was in on it, and most of the staff. I got out of the workplace after a very uncomfortable confrontation. But I can tell you that it only took a only few key people to make functioning at work very difficult or impossible, and then the rest of the people to agree that was ok. Unfortunately, there were two people who worked there who actually committed suicide after some workplace incidences. I only learned of it from outside sources. Uncomfortable topic really.

Well, for example, at my daughter's school, they are always giving them 'surveys', which we opt out of, except for when they don't even let us know, which they are supposed to.

The 'Safe Schools Survey' has questions about bullying, but also a lot of questions which are none of their business, like do you smoke cigarettes, do you smoke marijuana, do you do any other drugs, do you drink alcohol. And they want to know if anybody you know does and who they are.

So the "Safe Schools Czar" is this guy, who is promoting his sexual agenda to the kids in public schools --

Kevin Jennings’ Suggested Reading For Kids Included Sick Book that Promoted S&M to Children-

[is.gd]


Of course, the surveys in Sex Education (they call it "Family Life" now) are even worse.

I don't like the way 'they' are trying to control our kids and us through the guise of 'bullying'. What next - have Bullying Police. Make laws against Bullying.

Oh, it looks like they're already doing that --

[biggovernment.com]

Upward Bound Is Down… Radical Sexual Indoctrination of Kids Is In -

[biggovernment.com]

"$410 million in the 2011 budget for his “Safe Schools” czar Kevin Jennings. This is an increase of $45 million over last year’s budget."

That's a lot of money all in the guise of 'Bullying'.

Shut up, KidRaw, or I'll shove you in a locker!

Oh I just read the Jennings link - wtf? I don't want kids reading that garbage. But you know... I recently decided to watch a few episodes of Criminal Minds and I swear, those screen writers are some sick people. All episodes have been about the abduction and sexual torment of women in an S/M manner. Lots of bondage and torture tools and talk about dominant and submissive. Horrible stuff. The last episode had a girl handcuffed to a stripper pole and forced to dance for her 3 male captors, and a couple scenes in a strip bar with women giving lap dances. THAT is on primetime tv and available for kids to see!

Anyhoo... the Czaar should not be recommending such explicit material. Awful.



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Rocketship,
Its interesting, if I took the Survey, I would have to point out that 99% of that company were alcoholics, and smoked cigarettes. Also ate fast food like every day. A few employees occationally actually showed up to work with a hangover, or still drunk from the night before. Most were former military, I am sure that had little to do with anything either, right?

That is bad.

I wouldnt say i was bullied at school, i reckon pretty much everyone goes through a little bullying at some point probably.

But i did notice in one of my last jobs, it may even have been my last, minus a few good friends, the whole management team i was under which was just run by little jerks who though they had a bit of power, really went to town on me. But being myself i never let it get to me and in the end they made up alot of crap that i was taking long breaks, wasting time, not doing work and i ended up getting the sack.

That really sickened me off jobs as i was the hardest working in the department i knuckled down and go on with the job, whilst all them were sitting playing pool, taking multiple cigarette breaks when they were meant to be working, if i had let it show that they were getting to me id have probably still have the job but because i didnt they i guess felt defeated. Anyway jokes on them i ended up running a few successful businesses whilst there still in the same job and by the sounds of it still bullying other new workers there.

Some sad people in this world im afraid, the key is to keep strong, although you may lose your job in the process lol.



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This week all the county public schools are having assemblies on Bullying. They flew in someone for it -- gee, I wonder how much it's costing us. They said we can opt our child out of the assembly, so here's the note I wrote:

"I do not give permission for my daughter to attend the Assembly, which is using the taxpayers $1.8 Billion which is going to the "Safe School's Czar" Kevin Jennings, who is the founder and ten year member of GLSEN, who is now in charge of promoting homosexuality to school children, under the guise of "Bullying". "

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Fiscal Commission Calls for Elimination of Safe Schools Czar’s Office

[www.cnsnews.com]

KidRaw Wrote:
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> This week all the county public schools are having
> assemblies on Bullying. They flew in someone for
> it -- gee, I wonder how much it's costing us.
> They said we can opt our child out of the
> assembly, so here's the note I wrote:
>
> "I do not give permission for my daughter to
> attend the Assembly, which is using the taxpayers
> $1.8 Billion which is going to the "Safe School's
> Czar" Kevin Jennings, who is the founder and ten
> year member of GLSEN, who is now in charge of
> promoting homosexuality to school children, under
> the guise of "Bullying". "
>
> *********************
>
> Fiscal Commission Calls for Elimination of Safe
> Schools Czar’s Office
>
> [www.cnsnews.com]
> ion-calls-elimination-safe


Only in America...well, maybe not. I would write that same note to the school...

KidRaw,

Consider the source, as wise people say. Shades of Gary Glenn, who is protesting anti-bullying legislation on the basis that it is "promoting homosexuality." He gives himself away--the language actually prohibits:

"Any act based on a pupil's actual or perceived religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, disability, height, weight, gender identity, socioeconomic status or any other distinguishing characteristic . . . "

Clearly, this doesn't "promote" homosexuality any more than it "promotes" being Asian. Thus, fighting this anti-bullying measure on legal grounds is, as should be obvious, impossible as it requires violation of the Constitution. So I see they are approaching it from the [likewise fallacious]financial perspective of its being "too costly." The straw man army is limitless. I laugh and laugh . . .



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KidRaw Wrote:
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> > "I do not give permission for my daughter to
> attend the Assembly, which is using the taxpayers
> $1.8 Billion which is going to the "Safe School's
> Czar" Kevin Jennings, who is the founder and ten
> year member of GLSEN, who is now in charge of
> promoting homosexuality to school children, under
> the guise of "Bullying". "
>

Oh, that was great! LOL

Maude forbid anyone learn a little tolerance for others and their personal choices. Sheesh.

Here are the statements I read that seem totally in line with the anti-bullying agenda as I understand it:

"LGBT themes are fully integrated into curricula across a variety of subject areas and grade levels.”

"Jennings and GLSEN want homosexual, bisexual and transgender themes taught in every subject at every grade, all the way down to the kindergarten level, maybe even preschool."

"GLSEN’s stated mission is to empower gay youth in the schools and to stop harassment by other students. It encourages the formation of Gay Student Alliances and condemns the use of hateful words. GLSEN also strives to influence the educational curriculum to include materials which the group believes will increase tolerance of gay students and decrease bullying."

But those statements were prefaced with this piece of inflammatory garbage

"...a whole mess of fisting kits, leather bar guides and child porn books."

To me that clearly illustrates the heavy bias of that website. I mean, come on. Since when does teaching tolerance encourage Fisting? Get outta here!
Only recently a young gay man committed suicide when his fellow students did something hateful and horribly damaging to him. Totally preventable with the encouragement of some more empathy in our young people too. How anyone can preach against promoting tolerance in schools is beyond me.

Ummm....how about when the guy who heads the program is a believer in man/boy sex.....

This info is all new to me. I find it unbelievable. So I looked for more info and this is what I found:

Info about 'fistgate'
[en.wikipedia.org]

The audio recordings are in the right hand column:
[www.massresistance.org]



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KidRaw, et al,

The links you are citing are to not credible sites. There is no evidence from any legitimate news outlet discovering anything illegal, or morally abhorrent[unless you find homosexuality morally abhorrent] about Ken Jennings; most of the sites I went to exhibited clear slander, and I am wondering why Jennings doesn't sue someone. Or a lot of someones. Starting with Wiki--that page is a hot mess of hearsay, all right!

I would post links to reputable online news sites debunking the false information about Ken Jennings, but I'm pretty sure the candid nature of the information therein would violate the rules of these forums. Anyone interested in actual facts--you know, information that is objectively true and fully verifiable--can do a search along the lines of, "Is Ken Jennings a pedophile?" and go from there. A word of warning: you'll have to sift through many, many entries of specious dreck passin' fer reportage to get to a fact-based site. It will exhaust you.

[sigh]I sometimes regret changing majors half way through journalism school, because the world and people's lives really suffer from amateur reportage, the so-called "citizen journalism," and good comprenhesive journalism is desperately needed now.

This started out as a useful discussion about a pressing social issue, and we can all find common ground based on shared values in discussing it, if we stick to facts or our own personal experiences. I suppose it's a waste of time to ask people here to refrain from posting nonsense in an otherwise productive thread, but it's not my job to monitor the boards, etc.



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"There is no evidence from any legitimate news outlet discovering anything at illegal, or morally abhorrent[unless you find homosexuality morally abhorrent] about Ken Jennings;"

"unless you find homosexuality morally abhorrent"

nail on head.

Tamukha Wrote:
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> >
> I would post links to reputable online news sites
> debunking the false information about Ken
> Jennings, but...
>>

I would love it if you would do that for us. Another perspective is always welcome. Especially if from 'legitimate' sources. Thanks!

Tamukha, Coco... did you listen to the audio tapes from 2000? There is also a transcript of them on the same page if you prefer to read.

Tamukha, in your fact-finding mission, the accuracy of the Wiki would be a good place to start:

Was there a 'fistgate'?
Were three employees of the State Education department fired?
Did Abels sue and get reinstated?
Was there a hearing with Netherland and Wiseman and what was the result?
Did Abel really file suit against Camenker?
Was there a gag order issued (would love a link to THAT)?

How it all links to Jennings' position as Safety Czar in the long run is political spinning... but what is in the recordings is not teaching 'tolerance' and I can understand why any parent aware of 'Fistgate' would have concerns regarding such conferences or assemblies that their child may attend.

RocketShip,

First, really don't want to violate the rules re: decorum, so if you are curious, Media Matters, CBS News online, etc.

Second, "Fistgate" apparently did occur, but it was, as may be expected, a problem of contractees not having been fully vetted before being hired to give a presentation to school children. It wasn't anything insidious, but merely an administrative snafu that got very objectionable to a group of parents[full disclosure: I'm not gay, nor a parent, but if I were I wouldn't want my kids to be lectured on specific sex acts by anyone at school]. In other words,this was a single isolated event and not anything approaching Watergate levels of scandal. Btw, it was Ken Jennings who called for an investigation and for greater care to be taken in hiring so that things like that did not occur in future. The man is considered an adamant advocate for GLBT rights, but his record is not really controversial. The thing is, that lots of stuff has been made up about him, by people of no account--"interns", bloggers, etc.--people with no journalistic training and a non-disinterested agenda. Unfortunately, lies travel faster than truth. Which is how you have unsupported Orwellian doublespeak passing for real news, such as the Mass Resistance link you posted. It tries hard to appear to be journalistic, but authentic journalism does not use language like this:

Quote

Have you wondered what homosexual activists do when they are alone with kids in the tax-funded “gay clubs” in schools and other activities? It’s not pretty. In fact, it’s very disgusting.

This is the worst kind of hysterical hyperbole, and is designed to incite panic and ignorance and I can't stand it. I am fair minded. And analytical. And I can't stand this kind of nonsense at this point.

Again, this started out as a valid discussion of what should and shouldn't be done about children mistreating one another. How we got all the way out here, subject-wise, is mystifying. And, now that I think about it, I don't know how what this thread has degenerated into pertains to anything we, as raw foods veggies, should be concerned about.



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Darn, I was hoping for some links/resources to legitimate sources regarding the 'gate issue.

The below statement is very encouraging... where did you read it? (Links/source/etc):
"Btw, it was Ken Jennings who called for an investigation and for greater care to be taken in hiring so that things like that did not occur in future.

I am not trying to be controversial. I am on a fact-finding mission. There are some statments being made that have no supportive resources. Even by yourself... for example... "The thing is, that lots of stuff has been made up about him, by people of no account--"interns", bloggers, etc.--" At this point I am specifically interested in what "things have been made up about him" and supportive links to some facts. I felt that the book list was a good resource. What 'things' are you referring to specifically and where can read about them (in the context as being lies that are clearly untrue)?

I want to know the truth. *LOL*

You wrote:

"And, now that I think about it, I don't know how what this thread has degenerated into pertains to anything we, as raw foods veggies, should be concerned about.

First, I don't consider this as a 'degeneration'. A mere tangent.

Next, this is the "Other Topics" forum. Many topics will be discussed that don't pertain to raw foodism. Coco has a great one going now regarding cultural phrases and idioms. (colloquialism.)

I don't mind these types of discussions as long as it can be kept civil and links/sources are provided to substantiate claims.

I enjoy learning.

You know what... nevermind. I'll just read links that are posted -- whatever the source -- and do my best to ignore interjections that aren't substantiated in some way (links/resources/facts/etc).

Peace.