rawallison Wrote:
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> The person who started the post put the word
> "purist" in quotes. I took that to mean that that
> was his/her own label for people who think of
> their raw diet in a way differently from niK. As
> soon as you put a label on someone you are
> constraining your ability to think creatively and
> are in danger of creating divisiveness, and niK
> used an accusatory and angry tone. Many of us who
> eat raw are used to these kinds of encounters, and
> I often find it is isn't worth it to get angry. I
> just try to educate.
>
> I have no idea what a raw food purist is to niK,
> If I were to adopt a diet that I considered truly
> raw, it would look different from other people's
> raw diets. I would not eat anything manufactured.
> No bars, no refined oils (including olive oil),
> nothing with preservatives or other added
> ingredients. That's just me. I do not identify
> with the "raw food movement" nor as a "raw
> foodist" so I do not feel threatened by all the
> permutations of raw out there. To me, a raw diet
> is all about gaining/maintaining health in a way
> that fits each unique self and lifestyle best.

Yeah I agree there is an obvious tone to nik's post and personaly I don't see what the point of pointing this "purist" thing out really was, maybe nik was just wanting to get it off his chest, each to their own is what I say, I think that each individual will interpret this thread in their own way based on their own experience and take what ever they need from it I also think that with the tone of the post it also lends itself for the trolls to creep in and vent or make negative comments....ain't nothing wrong with being a "Purist" and nothing wrong with living your raw lifestyle how you choose, if you wanna eat your raw food off of the kitchen floor, hey....knock yourself out, it's your choice.

F1





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If we really want to be "purists", why stop at teflon. What about the fact that the dehydrator itself is practically entirely made of plastic. Isn't that also a bad thing? Probably best not to use it at all.

But for me, it really helps to have a few dried crackers and stuff around for when my family is snacking on tempting junk foods. I suppose I will eventually get to a point where I won't need it, but right now it works for me. When you live with a whole bunch of non-raw folks, there are a lot of temptations around.

I don't really think we are here to judge each other anyway.

Sapphire

Sapphire, you are right. There is always going to be something to pick on when it comes to critiquing someone's diet! I was thrilled to get my VitaMix and then people started talking about how bad it is that the container is made from polycarbonate (or something). :-D I agree with fruitarianfitness that there's nothing wrong with living the raw lifestyle we choose.

Cheers, everyone!

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Sorry guys, but I just can’t resist.

A perfectly ripe looking banana, dressed in Bishop’s robes, walking with extreme dignity and a serious look on his face, enters the room and approaches a dais. With great care he pulls out a scroll, clears his throat, and reads in a clear loud voice.…

By the Power of the order of the Ministry of the Association for the Administration of the Religion of the Raw Purists, follower of the Organic Fruits and Veggie Ways and Means to Better Health, and Deliciousness. It is hereby declared that henceforth and so on, the following to be the true and correct for the People of the Raw Food Vegan Purists:

Only fresh raw organic fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds are to be consumed. Altering a fruit or vegetable, other then cutting into edible portions is forbidden, and could result in ex-communication from the “Purest Order”

There shall be no use of teflon, teflex, or any other product manufactured by Dupont Chemical, Dow Industries, or any other company making or using chemical, plastic or, inorganic, un-natural items in food preparation and serving.

The only containers, utensils, and dishes to be used are stone and wood. There shall be no cutting down of trees to use for food preparation or serving. Fallen trees are usable, provided the user can prove the tree did not die by the hands of man or woman.

The sun is the only approved method for dehydrating food. However the person wishing to dehydrate any food must first explain the need to, and request permission from the Ministry of Purposely Altered Food Water Content. All requests must be submitted at least 1 month in advance of the requested wavier of the Al-Mighty Food Non-Alteration Act of 2008.

The use of electrical items for food prep is prohibited. No juicers, blenders, refrigerators, or processors allowed.

The only approved methods for keeping food cool are snow, and root cellars.

All persons with existing tattoos or body piercing are required to register with, and be photographed by the Ministry of Altered Body Appearances immediately. All new tats and piercing must be approved by the Ministry. Al persons with out such alterations must register and be photographed by the Ministry of Non-Altered Body Appearances immediately.

This Decree is legal and binding, for it has been written and signed by:

The most Fruit-elicious and Divinely Flavored One: Oh-so-fine-is thy-watermelon Sir Juicy B. Goodmelon.

swimmer Wrote:
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> Sorry guys, but I just can’t resist.
>
> A perfectly ripe looking banana, dressed in
> Bishop’s robes, walking with extreme dignity and a
> serious look on his face, enters the room and
> approaches a dais. With great care he pulls out a
> scroll, clears his throat, and reads in a clear
> loud voice.…
>
> By the Power of the order of the Ministry of the
> Association for the Administration of the Religion
> of the Raw Purists, follower of the Organic Fruits
> and Veggie Ways and Means to Better Health, and
> Deliciousness. It is hereby declared that
> henceforth and so on, the following to be the true
> and correct for the People of the Raw Food Vegan
> Purists:
>
> Only fresh raw organic fruits, vegetables, nuts,
> and seeds are to be consumed. Altering a fruit or
> vegetable, other then cutting into edible portions
> is forbidden, and could result in ex-communication
> from the “Purest Order”
>
> There shall be no use of teflon, teflex, or any
> other product manufactured by Dupont Chemical, Dow
> Industries, or any other company making or using
> chemical, plastic or, inorganic, un-natural items
> in food preparation and serving.
>
> The only containers, utensils, and dishes to be
> used are stone and wood. There shall be no cutting
> down of trees to use for food preparation or
> serving. Fallen trees are usable, provided the
> user can prove the tree did not die by the hands
> of man or woman.
>
> The sun is the only approved method for
> dehydrating food. However the person wishing to
> dehydrate any food must first explain the need to,
> and request permission from the Ministry of
> Purposely Altered Food Water Content. All requests
> must be submitted at least 1 month in advance of
> the requested wavier of the Al-Mighty Food
> Non-Alteration Act of 2008.
>
> The use of electrical items for food prep is
> prohibited. No juicers, blenders, refrigerators,
> or processors allowed.
>
> The only approved methods for keeping food cool
> are snow, and root cellars.
>
> All persons with existing tattoos or body piercing
> are required to register with, and be photographed
> by the Ministry of Altered Body Appearances
> immediately. All new tats and piercing must be
> approved by the Ministry. Al persons with out such
> alterations must register and be photographed by
> the Ministry of Non-Altered Body Appearances
> immediately.
>
> This Decree is legal and binding, for it has been
> written and signed by:
>
> The most Fruit-elicious and Divinely Flavored One:
> Oh-so-fine-is thy-watermelon Sir Juicy B.
> Goodmelon.


Ha,ha....nice one!

Looks like I better get myself "street legal" before I get myself in trouble with the Ministry of Altered Body Appearances!

F1

Swimmer, that was great. >8)

I think I will break a few rules just so I could meet

Sir Juicy B Goodmellon :-)

swimmer

That's hilareous!

Sapphire

I think raw is a small enough community without dividing ourselves up into 'purists' and non 'purists', low fat, high fat, fruitarian, low fruit, 100% raw, 99% raw, 90% raw etc. Lets be supportive of each other. We have all come to raw foods from a different place, and our bodies and minds may not be in the same place as one another's. We all share the bond of eating raw vegan foods, so why do people always have to get personal, and high and mighty! The world would be boring if we were all the same!

Sunflower
Raw Food Chef and Writer
Comfortably Raw
[www.comfortablyraw.com]

Plus, people have such WILDLY different life stories--it only makes sense that more greens, more fruit, more/less fat works better for different people at different times! The bottom line is everything is fresh.

Okay. I'll carve two swords out of cucumbers and we can fight.

I'm a purist

I purely take in all of

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yeah!

I am purely grateful for all the nature that exists

I am purely in love with flowers the sky raspberries and lakes

oh yeah, and for F1, your tatts look great

Nice one LA....I second that!

F1

I think people should be careful not to judge a person that they don’t deem ‘pure’ enough. I respect anyone on a conscious dietary path, whatever level it is. From what I have seen a conscious path with food has the tendency to become progressively refined. People need to work within a framework that is conducive and comfortable for them. My friend is moving towards being vegan. She is reading books about it and learning. She eats cooked food and occasionally meat and dairy. She is learning and changing her diet at a pace that works for her. My sister just became almost vegan. She is not raw and occasionally eats animal rennet-free cheese. I am extremely proud of both and would never criticize either of them. My own diet has begun as vegetarian, then changed to vegan, then mostly raw, now completely raw. It has become more refined over time and has been a unique personal journey. I am sure my raw diet will become more refined over the years as well. Everyone can only move at a pace that is right for him or her. We should offer encouragement not criticism.

Well said Joanne!



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Where's Nik at?....I wonder if the responces helped him/her in anyway?

F1

you know I have never even thought about it! thanks for bringing it up! I only use wax paper anyway but now I will ALWAYS use it

I don't use a dehydrator.
I never dehydrate my food.
Whatever for?

joanne

i like your post
if you expand the post to point to ALL areas of life

it is also relevant to:

CLOTHING: how PURE can you get ( pretty difficult unless you grow your own hemp fibers biodynamically and make your own clothes)

VEHICLES: how PURE can you get other than not owning or using one

HOUSING: how PURE can you get . So many things to consider: lumber or no lumber?
solar or wind or ?? for energy ...

the list goes on and on

if one points to ONE thing, why not just purely point to ALL endeavors?

oh yeah, and the PHYSICAL items are just the tip of the iceberg

how about

WORDS: how "pure" are we with our words? are we impeccable in our speech ( no lies, no words intended to harm etc)

BEHAVIOUR: how "pure" are we in our intent and behaviour? Do we do things out of pure altruism or is there a hidden agenda in our interactions that we fail to disclose to those we are interacting with?

THOUGHTS: how "pure" are our thoughts? How noble are our purposes?

So, I don't think it ends or begins with the teflon used in dehydrators.

I liked Joanne's post because ... really, I saw her post relating to all areas of life. Any progress is good.

La V--that's exactly the light that popped on inside my head after I've been doing raw for a while, on the rationale, "it was best for myself" and "best for the earth."

Hahaha. Then the mind says, "BEST, eh? What about: X Y Z this, that, and the other thing?"

And then at first I want to smack myself... and then I get moving and try to make the positive changes in my mind/environment.

It sounds kind of cheesy, maybe (nutty?), but I signed up for this 6 week e-newsletter that sends you all kind of neat thoughts about having gratitude for everything, one a day. I'm about halfway through, and has really helped me focus on appreciation. =)

phantom:

<< Hahaha. Then the mind says, "BEST, eh? What about: X Y Z this, that, and the other thing?" And then at first I want to smack myself... and then I get moving and try to make the positive changes in my mind/environment. >>

I never smack myself. Why add to the self pollution if it can be avoided?


<<It sounds kind of cheesy, maybe (nutty?), but I signed up for this 6 week e-newsletter that sends you all kind of neat thoughts about having gratitude for everything, one a day. I'm about halfway through, and has really helped me focus on appreciation. =)>>

oh WOW! that sounds like a GEM TO THE MAX!!


gratitude is MORE than RAWESOME

it IS

PURE BLISS- I TUDE

when I am in a place of gratitude, i am FILTHY RICH!!!!

la_veronique Wrote:
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> when I am in a place of gratitude, i am FILTHY
> RICH!!!!

i hear ya la v
patty

Why would you eat dehydrated foods unless in a emergency situation?

Makes no sense and all the water your body needs is gone.

No one is perfect, whether in diet or anything else; it is the direction we are going in that really matters: Are we evolving or not? It is the journey. We all started from different points and have our own roads; I think we all know that. The point is, what is each of us doing with what we KNOW? LaV -- love your attitude! This is a great thread -- it's getting all of us thinking in that direction. Everyone's input is great!!!

All hail Sir Juicy B Goodmelon!!!

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Why would you eat dehydrated foods unless in a emergency situation?

I eat dehydrated foods occasionally because a) it keeps me raw through periods where I am craving things and b) it helps me get my husband and family to eat more raw dishes.



My website: The Coconut Chronicles

Dehydrated foods can be delicious. I don't have a dehydrator, but used to work in a raw restaurant that uses them. There are different levels of dehydration, so not all the liquid has to be removed. You can make delicious veggies burgers. We used to dehydrate them just enough so they's hold together, but they were still moist. You can make a bunch of delicious desserts like brownies, cookies and pie-crusts. You can also make energy bars and different granolas, which you can take on the road with you. Another great thing is you can soak nuts and seeds to get rid of the enzyme inhibitors and the dehydrate them so they last longer. You can also make great nut & seed trail-mix that way, like pesto pumpkin seeds, or spicy almonds. These are nice to take camping.

I recently found instructions online to make a solar-dehydrator. I really want to try it. Here are the instructions:

[thecoconutchronicles.com]



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Cool Joanne81,

Thanks for the link...Where did you find that great site? lol, but seriously, have you guys looked at TCC's site? It's a good read, and the pics are great... she even pops out of a suitcase! Fun stuff!



Bishop Banana and Sir Juicy B Goodmelon may return soon with some new, important instructions from the Ministry of Dispersal and Dissemination of Useless and frivolous information



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Awww thanks Swimmer!

Joanne I am glad you found the article useful!



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