wow. weird.

my mama plays the organ and directs the choir for church. she's not particularly religious, very spiritual but religious no, so it's just a job for her. but she likes the "fellowship" and the people are a great group of folk so we often go to their events (like the 4 day daily camp in the summer for arts and crafts and a theatrical performance at the end. little went this summer and last, i went when i was a kid, mom too when she was little. it's fun). anyhow, they often share food, of course, and it is always meat meat meat followed by a table full of sugary death, ugh. it's amazing to me that sso many religious people can all be such heavy flesh consumers when i see eating the dead flesh of murdered animals as nothing short of a satanic ritual. not that i would ever say that to any of them, you're right f1, i'm not here to judge. but that's how i feel about it and i'm amazed that it doesn't seem that way to them. it always weirds me right out. blood sacrifice. yikes!

i`ve never thought of veganism quite that way.....as far as the animal lover thing. i was raised on a farm, all my ancestors were dairy farmers and i had animals from the time of birth and still do. i have always loved animals. i guess it`s just so much the norm that "we" eat meat i didn`t question it too much. i did refuse as a kid to eat beef for awhile cuz moo was my pet and i couldn`t bare to eat my pet. my mom didn`t force me but she implied that`s what we raised him for and just let me be. same for the chickens but i never refused to eat them...i just saw them as food.
i guess i never went that deep into the circle of veganism to think about the animal rescuers and vets and everything. thanks for the new spin
patty

Ok, so I guess I should look up words in the dictionary instead of learning them from context. English is my second language. Now that I know that vegan is NOT a vegetarian who also does not eat eggs and dairy, I will never again consider myself a vegan. I object to fanaticism of any type. Call me a happy raw vegetarian.

not eating eggs and dairy doesn't make people fanatics. i object to negative labelling and name calling of any kind.

Maybe the dictionary definition of "fanatic" changed to "one who follows definitions correctly, without modifying to suit their wants."