I did say that there are some exceptions.

I would never even attempt to say that "one size fits all" when it comes to raw foods. I know that I have tried all fruit and felt like crap. Did't feellike I was detoxing, just didn't feel good. May work for some but not me. Conversely, I have tried pretty much all greens with the same sense of not feeling that great. A mix works for me. That being said, I am still curious as to what works for others and how their diet has evolved. I never have felt that my inquisitiveness was nit picking but it does involve a bit of attention to detail, it's just my nature. Maybe it's a result of my occupation or maybe my occupation is a result of my nature.

I am glad that I don't take what any one person's view to be scripture. If I did then I would have never continued with raw foods. I was really turned off by David Wolfe and Shazzie and all the commercialism and hokiness. Actually declare shenanigans on them.

I have no problem with people making a buck. I do have a problem with people acting as if they are genuinely concerned and then, as you say, turning people into cash cows. I do think that when someone puts themselves into the public's eye, then they should expect questions and should answer them. I also think that they should be consistent in their information. Not saying their views because those are subject to change.

I have been to other sites and really only frequent this one as a result of some of these kind of hucksters. People who act concerned "Oh your dad has cancer and he's trying raw foods. I have some great recipes he could benefit from." then they try and get people to buy their recipes for a dollar a piece and nonsense like that. I didn't make that up either.

I truly do appreciate what so many here have to offer. It's really the shared experiences and comraderie that I value so much. Kind of odd because I don't really do much in the way of conversing with many but it's knowing that they are here. You folks were some of the first to have the announcement of my son's birth and see photos.

F1, Your exercises definitely are one of the things that inspires me. It's something that I have believed in for a long time but didn't really do. I'm speaking of the body weight stuff. I actually belong to another site that you do that has all the same exercises that you have video turtorials for. I started doing a lot of these exercises a couple of months ago and have seen a great deal of change. It's empowering and feels great.

gorillawar Wrote:
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> I did say that there are some exceptions.
>
> I would never even attempt to say that "one size
> fits all" when it comes to raw foods. I know that
> I have tried all fruit and felt like crap. Did't
> feellike I was detoxing, just didn't feel good.
> May work for some but not me. Conversely, I have
> tried pretty much all greens with the same sense
> of not feeling that great. A mix works for me.
> That being said, I am still curious as to what
> works for others and how their diet has evolved. I
> never have felt that my inquisitiveness was nit
> picking but it does involve a bit of attention to
> detail, it's just my nature. Maybe it's a result
> of my occupation or maybe my occupation is a
> result of my nature.
>
> I am glad that I don't take what any one person's
> view to be scripture. If I did then I would have
> never continued with raw foods. I was really
> turned off by David Wolfe and Shazzie and all the
> commercialism and hokiness. Actually declare
> shenanigans on them.
>
> I have no problem with people making a buck. I do
> have a problem with people acting as if they are
> genuinely concerned and then, as you say, turning
> people into cash cows. I do think that when
> someone puts themselves into the public's eye,
> then they should expect questions and should
> answer them. I also think that they should be
> consistent in their information. Not saying their
> views because those are subject to change.
>
> I have been to other sites and really only
> frequent this one as a result of some of these
> kind of hucksters. People who act concerned "Oh
> your dad has cancer and he's trying raw foods. I
> have some great recipes he could benefit from."
> then they try and get people to buy their recipes
> for a dollar a piece and nonsense like that. I
> didn't make that up either.
>
> I truly do appreciate what so many here have to
> offer. It's really the shared experiences and
> comraderie that I value so much. Kind of odd
> because I don't really do much in the way of
> conversing with many but it's knowing that they
> are here. You folks were some of the first to have
> the announcement of my son's birth and see
> photos.
>
> F1, Your exercises definitely are one of the
> things that inspires me. It's something that I
> have believed in for a long time but didn't really
> do. I'm speaking of the body weight stuff. I
> actually belong to another site that you do that
> has all the same exercises that you have video
> turtorials for. I started doing a lot of these
> exercises a couple of months ago and have seen a
> great deal of change. It's empowering and feels
> great.

Yeah...I think that a lot of the oleskool raw food guru's now are on their last days, they are running out of ways to sell what nature gave us for free....people are starting to see that what they are doing isn't really working for them that well after all, so yeah I can see where your coming from and I agree but at the same time I don't think it's fair put everybody in the same bag, I know people from here that used to help a lot of people but have now made it their actual business/source of income so you don't see them here anymore but they are still helping people that are willing to pay for their services in an honest way, but you still have a good resource here if you don't like the idea of paying for someones services!

You mentioned people that "put themselves out there" but I never see anybody asking David Wolfe, Paul Nisan, Doug Graham or Allyssa coyhen or anybody of that nature what they eat on a daily basis and I don't see them telling people either, personally, I don't agree with you about it being "mandatory" to answer peoples questions on "demand", I personaly NEVER "put myself out there" on this forum as some top notch fitness guru/teacher that's here specifically to answer everybodies questions, when I post here I'm not teaching, I'm sharing thoughts, I don't even expect a responce half the time, I love to share, etc...I have always shared my progress from day one with people that were interested mostly because haters said I could never survive on just fruits, that included pics and vids, ect and I will always continue to do that simply because it's fun for me to do that, it stops being fun when certain people/haters want to debate and nit pic, if you call that "putting yourself out there" then we will have to agree to dis-agree and I'm cool with that, you have your views and I have mine, we don't have to match.

Congrats on the exercises, good luck with that!

F1





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I'm glad that Tiger Woods is using the raw organic veggies n fruits
let's hope that he will fall in love with it permanently like everyone else here has (smile

i think that it is inevitable that people who are in a very high performance mode, when given a "window" of opportunity/perspective, will naturally, inevitably gravitate towards the raw vegan lifestyle

it is immeasurably precious what being raw vegan/liquidarian will do to performance

it will increase acuity, awareness, speed, "feel" , stamina, endurance,

there isn't a single thing , aspect or arena where having the cleanest strongest nutritive diet would not help in

it helps EVERY and ALL aspects of sport performance

it also is key to actually ENJOYING the movements

i personally feel it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to enjoy ANY form of exercise, sport or
whatever without feeling the bracing joy of being "well" from within

otherwise, it seems kind of cacophonious as well as "strange"

being fueled up with junk and performing a sport or exercise that requires a high amount of insight, feel, speed, etc. seems kind of like an anomaly

raw veganism and athleticism simply go hand in hand
they are a good couple
the marriage is solid

its all good

i'm not much of a golf fan

but i do admire Tiger Woods

Agreed LV...

Some people are making a big fuss about Micheal Phelps and what he eats...how do you tell a guy that's just won 7 gold medals that his diet is less than optimal, it's amazing what the body can do INSPITE of the abuse we put it through!!!

F1

fruitarianfitness Wrote:
> Yeah...I think that a lot of the oleskool raw food
> guru's now are on their last days, they are
> running out of ways to sell what nature gave us
> for free....people are starting to see that what
> they are doing isn't really working for them that
> well after all, so yeah I can see where your
> coming from and I agree but at the same time I
> don't think it's fair put everybody in the same
> bag, I know people from here that used to help a
> lot of people but have now made it their actual
> business/source of income so you don't see them
> here anymore but they are still helping people
> that are willing to pay for their services in an
> honest way, but you still have a good resource
> here if you don't like the idea of paying for
> someones services!

I wouldn't mind paying for services but I would never do it online. I would have to be able to see the person face to face to feel my money is being spent wisely. Same as I would never have a cardiologist appointment online or over the phone.

> You mentioned people that "put themselves out
> there" but I never see anybody asking David Wolfe,
> Paul Nisan, Doug Graham or Allyssa coyhen or
> anybody of that nature what they eat on a daily
> basis and I don't see them telling people either,

I think people do ask them what they eat on a regular day to day basis. You can see them telling people what they want them to believe they eat on youtube. I have seen david wolfe making smoothies that he says he has one a day of.

> personally, I don't agree with you about it being
> "mandatory" to answer peoples questions on
> "demand",

I never said mandatory or on demand. It's customary to put quotes on things someone actually says.

I personaly NEVER "put myself out there"
> on this forum as some top notch fitness
> guru/teacher that's here specifically to answer
> everybodies questions, when I post here I'm not
> teaching, I'm sharing thoughts, I don't even
> expect a responce half the time, I love to share,
> etc...I have always shared my progress from day
> one with people that were interested mostly
> because haters said I could never survive on just
> fruits, that included pics and vids, ect and I
> will always continue to do that simply because
> it's fun for me to do that, it stops being fun
> when certain people/haters want to debate and nit
> pic, if you call that "putting yourself out there"
> then we will have to agree to dis-agree and I'm
> cool with that, you have your views and I have
> mine, we don't have to match.

I do think you put yourself out there more than most would. Not saying that it's bad but just that you have to expect questions. Not saying that it's "mandatory" that you answer them but I don't think that it's fair to brush it off as "haters" or people "nit-picking". Some people are genuinely interested. I know I was last November when you posted you would be eating either grapefruits or avocadoes for noThanksgiving holiday depending on the weather. I thought it was an interesting way of choosing what to eat.

> Congrats on the exercises, good luck with that!

Thanks on the congrats. Some days it's easier to get the exercise in but I manage to do them most days. With thirteen hour workdays, finding ways to slip them in while I'm on break can be a challenge. Especially now with my son here and taking care of family as well as working.

gorillawar Wrote:
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>
> I do think you put yourself out there more than
> most would. Not saying that it's bad but just that
> you have to expect questions. Not saying that it's
> "mandatory" that you answer them but I don't think
> that it's fair to brush it off as "haters" or
> people "nit-picking". Some people are genuinely
> interested. I know I was last November when you
> posted you would be eating either grapefruits or
> avocadoes for noThanksgiving holiday depending on
> the weather. I thought it was an interesting way
> of choosing what to eat.
>

Yes....if you interpret what I do as "putting myself out there" then we'll have to agree to disagree on how I deal with that...I also think the chose of words or meaning of "putting yourself out there" is up for interpretation too, that can be taken in many ways.

I would actually say that I "share more than most" and no, just like anybody else here, if other people want to make it a big deal then that's up to them but really I don't have to answer any questions here at all if I don't want to...as far as I'm concerned why should I be any different than anybody else here....like I say go ask any of the high flying raw food guru's what they eat everyday and see what you get back!...Paul Nissan promotes his books on here so you can ask him, I personaly think he'd be far more interesting guy to read about then me.

As far as calling people haters, you have not had my experience, you have not had to deal with the kind of people I have had to deal with over the years, infact you don't even know me....yes the majority of people that contact me are well meaning folks that are genuinly interested in what I share and they respect my space/boundries like any deccent human being and I'll ALWAYS answer their questions as best as I can, infact I've just taken the time and spent the last three posts explaining/answering your questions at great length and you still imply that I don't answer peoples questions, ha,ha....I think all this comes down to interpretation and not me and my personality but there are a few people who have a history of just hating, their only intent is to push buttons/spark up debate, heck, I know some people here that don't like the way I communicate that come out of the woodwork just to critisize, it's those folks I'm refering to as haters because that's what they are projecting.

Anyway , this topic isn't supposed to be about me....have a great time with your exercises, etc and be good!

F1





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Also Gorilla....alot of the oleskool guys here know that my focus is not on food at all and if how I choose to eat grapefruits or avo's at thanks giving interests you and you wanna question me about it at length then yeah... your probably going to go away mad at me because to me picking fruit is what it is, it ain't rocket science and doesn't warrant anymore attention than watching paint dry and I'm really not going to get too deep into a discussion about it....and because of that attitude maybe I shouldn't share stuff on here or expect people to not get angry, seeing as though this is a raw food forum, ha,ha,ha,ha.

Anyway I've been spend WAY too much time talking/typing and not enough time DOING so I'm outa here and I'm gonna go do a long hike with the dog!

Be good "G"

F1





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