He was amazing, Blew me away and called all teh other gurus liars and made fun of all the choco macao oily yukky food and said we were not at a raw festival but rather a clothing sale ( meaning supplements I am sure)


my god I was so impressed. i wrote more about it in my blog suvine.com.






Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/2008 02:03AM by suvine.

It's good to see inspiration -- but it kind of makes me wonder why he teases people so much. He must feel like god or something because he believes he is on the best diet ever. That's not a bad thing, but it can get a little.."Oh you eat cooked food. So you're one of THEM.."

He's a good guy though.

I don't understand why anyone would call others who are teaching what they believe 'liars.' Obviously most 'gurus' believe that the way they eat is optimal, they all feel amazing, and want to share that joy with others. We are all different, what works best for one, may not for another. There is no need to put anyone down for being on a different raw path to wellness and bliss.

Sunflower
Raw Food Chef and Writer
Comfortably Raw
[www.comfortablyraw.com]

I respect him and like most of what he's about, but I believe he's definately a guru head. Oh yeah. I'm glad you had a good time and were inspired though....always a good thing. Peace.

He was wonderful the highlight of raw spirit fest. Amazing, he said so much that rang true.

Even I am susceptible to raw food business snake oil scams, and I have been doing this many many years

Ha,ha...good for him....

F1

They gave him the 5 min is up sign way early and loud music was blasting next to th etent. I heard he was not welcome there, he told it like it was. Choco-macao-oily yukky food he called it.

I think it evens itself out because I know that other "guru's" take pops at him and his lifestyle too!

Like I said before, good for him....

F1

I like Doug, and I've found him to be a very
accessible person. (Unlike some other "gurus"
that won't give you the time of day until
you're lining their pockets in some way.)
He's always been very open and friendly
towards me; and he's always answered my
e-mails in a very timely fashion.

Though, I found it a little insulting when he
insinuated to me that I couldn't have been doing
"his 80/10/10 plan" on my own, intuitively, BEFORE
he (supposedly) invented the concept. And that I
needed to buy his book on 80/10/10 because whatever
I was doing (sans his book) couldn't possibly be
80/10/10.

What? I needed him to create the idea, and write a
book about it, before I could do something intuitively
on my own? That was a little over the top if you ask
me.

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]

that is a little over the top.

i gotta respect him having his say instead of toeing the line with the whole raw carnival thing (avec selly selly booths of junky junk!). that's true character. it's very telling that he isn't welcome back!
i do think those things can be presented in a way that doesn't alienate others though. no one can take offense to what you say if you talk about your own experience instead of what other do/should do. it doesn't sound as though he is very supportive of people finding their own way.

paragon1685 Wrote:
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> >
> What? I needed him to create the idea, and write
> a
> book about it, before I could do something
> intuitively
> on my own? That was a little over the top if you
> ask
> me.



Yes, that's silly. I wouldn't be insulted though - his stuff and not yours. It it seems his ego could be very much involved in his life right now. (shrugging shoulders)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2008 12:55AM by rawangel.

Steve what a great story

Like I said, I like Doug. And I think he's great for the
Raw movement. (Esp. with most of the rest of the so-
called "gurus" pushing processed foods as "raw" on us.)
All he has to sell us, then, is his knowledge.

Now, if I was a newbie I could probably more-easily believe
the incredulity on Doug's part. But the fact is that
I've been doing Raw maybe as long as Doug, and I've
even spoken at one of his Raw Passion events.

Not only that, but we're in near total agreement,
in terms of Raw philosophy.

So to have someone, who I know personally, tell me
I need to buy his book because I couldn't possibly
have discovered what worked for me, on my own, was
a little disconcerting to me.

When I "went Raw" I didn't even know there was
such a thing as a "Raw diet." We called it a
"banana diet" back then ('87), because I was
living in Minnesota at the time and there wasn't
exactly great access to boutiful quantities of quality
produce; so I was eating mostly bananas. Few
people there had ever heard of "Vegans," much less
a Raw food diet. And even though I had never even heard
of the idea of "Raw food," I started it on my own;
and I liked the results of it over a whole-foods Vegan
diet.

The bottom line here is that people can figure
things out for themselves. (If they choose.) The
answers truly are within. We don't need Raw "gurus"
telling us about the truth within.

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]

paragon1685 Wrote:
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> Like I said, I like Doug. And I think he's great
> for the
> Raw movement. (Esp. with most of the rest of the
> so-
> called "gurus" pushing processed foods as "raw" on
> us.)
> All he has to sell us, then, is his knowledge.
>
> Now, if I was a newbie I could probably
> more-easily believe
> the incredulity on Doug's part. But the fact is
> that
> I've been doing Raw maybe as long as Doug, and
> I've
> even spoken at one of his Raw Passion events.
>
> Not only that, but we're in near total agreement,
> in terms of Raw philosophy.
>
> So to have someone, who I know personally, tell
> me
> I need to buy his book because I couldn't
> possibly
> have discovered what worked for me, on my own, was
>
> a little disconcerting to me.
>
> When I "went Raw" I didn't even know there was
> such a thing as a "Raw diet." We called it a
> "banana diet" back then ('87), because I was
> living in Minnesota at the time and there wasn't
> exactly great access to boutiful quantities of
> quality
> produce; so I was eating mostly bananas. Few
> people there had ever heard of "Vegans," much less
>
> a Raw food diet. And even though I had never even
> heard
> of the idea of "Raw food," I started it on my own;
>
> and I liked the results of it over a whole-foods
> Vegan
> diet.
>
> The bottom line here is that people can figure
> things out for themselves. (If they choose.) The
>
> answers truly are within. We don't need Raw
> "gurus"
> telling us about the truth within.


Cool, I started the same way...heck, I even thought I made the word Fruitarian up all by myself, ha,ha.

RB

He called Ra wspirit Fest a clothing sale. LOL I couldnt believe it what balls.

He said WHERE IS THE RAW FOOD?


LOL
I thought about it, what is with the
NONI juice and the kombucha they served at dinner. Those are not raw vegan, I drank them anyways..The first night was tea of some sort? What about juices

Yeah Suvine,

I thought the same thing last year. Where's the
RAW FOOD????!!! Unfortunately, I went up there with
some friends last year (from Phoenix) for one day;
and I only had juice before we left. I get up there
and there's absolutely NO RAW FOOD except for that
pittace of a meal they serve you. (Now I could
understand the meals they served; they were trying
to feed thousands of people at the same time.)
But there wasn't any other Raw Food to supplement
the meals! (Needless to say, I ate like a horse
when we got back to Phoenix.) At least for my
$139 (one day's fee), I got to hear DW go on and
on and on and on about the supposed virtues of
"raw" chocolate. And there was lots of other stuff
for sale (including clothing), but no RAW food!

One would think, what with this being a Raw Festival
and all, there would be some more Raw Food available...

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/20/2008 01:03AM by paragon1685.

Yes and were there juices or just teas and noni juice?

Yeah, they had that juice, Suvine. But I
certainly don't think it was Raw. Not how
I think of RAW, anyway.

I've been to Raw Festivals before and there
was always RAW food, in great abundance. In fact,
Doug Graham's Raw Passion events (held earlier this
decade at various venues) included (for about $100
for the day) all the RAW food you could eat!
Including Durian!

Ahhhhh, those were the days!

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2008 01:25AM by paragon1685.

it is true that sometimes if u say things that people don't like

you are not "welcome" any more

but so what?

vegetarians were not welcome in the meat community at one point
neither were vegans

and raw either

so there is a lot of factions
just like any religion

there is a lot of factions
so what?

just do what works for you

and i think doug's stuff makes sense

good for him for having the balls to say how he feels

Last year they had venders with coconuts and one with really yummy sprouts in chinese to go containers. That was pretty much it though, besides lots of chocolate. I was really surprised there wasn't more.

Luckily, there IS a happy medium of a raw food diet with chocolate involved as well.

Look what someone posted about DW!! Its is based on DG's talk

I think ou have to cut and paste this and put it in your address bad, DW turns into darth vader
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I think it's one thing to not agree with certain approaches but I think when it comes to mocking individuals or ganging up and getting all elitist is when people start losing the plot!

I don't like a lot of what goes on in the raw community but hey everybody has their own choice to make!...making fun of people just makes everybody concerned look stupid!

RB

Well, I think it's hilarious! (I base my
opinion on the uproarious laughter that came
out of my mouth!)

We can all be politically correct and never
offend everyone by being ultra-polite and never
having strong opinions, but that's not where
progress/innovation/initiation/meaning/purpose/etc.
is ever found, psychologically.

And if people can't have a little fun with the
most outrageous and (in my opinion) by far and
away the absolutely least RAW "gurus" you'll
ever come across, then I think we're moving
backwards, not forward. This is, after all, a
RAW FOOD message board. And those that are (in
my opinion) not even remotely close to RAW (and
yet unabashedly promulgate themselves as being
the totality/ultimate of RAW) ought not be off-
limits from critical/thoughtful scrutiny.

Not all ideas are equally valid. And expressing
disagreement through (tasteful) humor is one of,
if not the, most effective ways to express a
contrary viewpoint. We're here to express ourselves
honestly, and not (necessarily) be ultra-polite.

And I don't think you can (reasonably) take one
example on a message board and use it to condemn
the entire board and entire group; which is made
up of a lot of people and a lot of diverse ideas.
Let the totality of the board speak for itself,
not one message.

And if I'm "stupid" for writing/thinking this,
then so be it.

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]

Paked for fun I agree, and they served kombucha and teas this year and NONI juice. Is that raw?


Steve I agree with you, good points. Thanks

I applaud Dr. Graham's efforts on shedding some light on what has become the "UnRaw Circus"

Health is pretty simple man makes it complicated.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/26/2008 07:49AM by Big G..

Health is simple, man makes it complicated? Ain't
that the truth! In fact, I'd venture to say that's
true for just about everything in life. (Of course,
there's a difference between simple and "simplistic."

I just received an enthusastic e-mail about all the
great "raw food" products at the Raw Spirit festival.
Naturally, there wasn't anything recognizable to
me as RAW food (such as a grape, a watermelon, or an
apple). Check out the list below of some of the new,
exciting "raw food" and "raw food" companies at the
festival:

So many new raw food products!

Some of the new products that caught our attention was a new line of superfood cereals by Living Intentions, we loved the Hemp & Greens. It was a balance of buckwheat sprouts, local blackberry honey, coconut, golden raisins, superfood mix, just to name a few. It was crunchy and scrumptious.

Below is a summary of the other new raw food products out there.

Superfood Snacks - Adam created a line of superfood smoothie mixes that combines cacao powder, chia seeds with ingredients such as nori and alfalfa grass to make their Cacao Cream with Raw Cacao & Vanilla Bean smoothie mix.

Omica Health – The best zeolites on the market. The product is called Super-Z-Lite . It comes in both liquid and capsule forms to help support and maintain a healthy immune system, increase circulation and boost natural energy. They also have the best Kombucha we have ever tasted. A must try.

High Integrity Foods – A wonderful raw chocolate company, famous for their golden bean raw chocolate bars launched it's newest super food product. Bee Bread. Bee bread is fermented bee pollen with honey and beeswax still intact. Very crunchy and chewy at the same time.

Cocopura - This company offers some of the best coconut oil on the market today. They also released a line of packaged super foods from goji berries to their candy like Jarrah Bee Pollen.

Earthling Organics – A new company by Jacob Hopkins (same person who created those irresistible crunchy Jake's Unbaked bars. He was selling organic super soft shirts and his new granola "Rawnola". It is our new favorite treat. It is crunchy clusters made from almonds, pumpkin seeds, coconut, figs, agave nectar, and sea salt. It will soon be available online for sale.

Bright Earth Foods – These guys have the best noni juice on the market. It is raw, organic, unpasteurized, mature Noni juice, stabilized with micro clusters of diatomic colloidal gold, silver, and platinum. Delicious and good for you!

Everything Raw Co – A good friend of ours Paul Mamakos produces some of the tastiest raw bars. The Yoga bar is our personal favorite. It combines Cacao Butter, Dates, Cashews, Pistachios, Honey, and lots of love. It tastes like cookie dough and white chocolate. Paul will be coming out with a line of mini raw bars in the near future. Stay tuned!

Earth Source Organics – Audrey, Jacob and Amanda produce one of our top favorite perfectly tempered raw chocolate bars. These dark chocolate bars have three different delicious fillings like goji berries, caramel and maca. The caramel is the most flavorful and unique.

Sprout Living – Of course we were at the festival launching our brand new, all raw and organic sprout based protein super food along with our line of freeze dried sprout powders.

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]

Steve,
I had no idea there was so much raw 'junk' food out there these days-- I never look online, and I don't see any of it locally. I thought Lara bars were bad, lol!

'freeze dried sprout powders' indeed-- oh, yummy, so nutritious! ;-p

Sharrhan:


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I try and eat lots of raw, unprocessed fruits and vegetables -- as much as can, shopping the produce aisle of markets or shopping at farmers' markets and roadside stands.

Other people here habitually eat things that come from processing plants or that are packaged in plastic and sold on the Internet. I don't like to eat those kinds of things so I don't buy them and I try to avoid having to eat them.

It's really not complicated.

And that (from the list above) is just the new stuff!

Now, I'll grant you that these items are better for human
nutrition than Twinkies, donuts, and French fries, My
only issue with them is in the labeling, and in the
promulgation of these foodstuffs as being "raw." You
really have to get very fuzzy with definitions to call
any of that (from above) "raw."

I can tell you that I've head DW speak on a number of
occasions, and there was nary a word from him about
anything remotely resembling "fresh" food (such as a
pear, a peach, a celery stick) in the course of his
discussions. It's all about packaged and processed
"raw food" under the guise that these "foods" are no
different, and in some cases even better, than fresh
RAW food (ala an orange, carrot, or cucumber). And,
from a biochemistry perspective, there's a WHALE of a
difference!

I think these raw food witch doctors view fresh Raw
food as the ideal, but there's no money in Real Raw
food, above and beyond having a produce stand. So
they borrow the term "RAW" and play with the definition
of it (to suit their purposes); implying their foodstuff
is on equal nutritional footing with say, a banana,
when that's really not (from a biochemistry perspective)
true.

Steve
[www.meetup.com]
[www.rawgosia.com]