I feel so sorry for all of you that have difficult doctors. I am grateful for our NHS system and although there are plenty of difficult drs in the UK I seem to have struck gold at my surgery. We have a drop in centre - no appointment necessary - and my dr is a lovely runner who completely understands all things running and is completely happy to let me choose what I want to do. He sits back, listens and gives advice. He will happily research things for me and even takes sheets of my downloads so that he knows where I am coming from. He does his best to accomodate my requests and will take time discussing issues. I feel very lucky when I hear some of the horrible stories of other doctors. I know that I can work with my doctor and I do feel that this is a good way to go - the best of both worlds.

Fantastic!
Doctors can be great,or horrible.
Mine is in between,but SO rushed.
Appointments are 10 min tops,with pills being the main focus for treatments of just about everything.

Vinny

flipperjan,

"Managed care" is killing our country. People go to medical school for 6-8 years and emerge not knowing how to cure a damn thing, and how to diagnosis not much more. And they violate the Hippocratic Oath every day: First Do No Harm, allow me to introduce you to Vioxx, now shake hands.

My brother's mother-in-law is a cancer patient in Newcastle, and there are so many medical services and social support programs she and her family have access to through the NHS, it sounds like hearing news from another planet. Here, you're lucky if your doctor knows basic physiology. [sigh] Thanks for your sympathy. I am seriously considering moving to the UK . . .

Hi Tam

Yeah the NHS is very good but it's abit like an unwieldy dinasour. It's massive and has huge problems with superbugs in the hospitals and very long waiting times to be seen by a consultant - like weeks, often months from time of referral from your doctor.

The dr's surgery's in the big cities are very different to what I described. Often the dr's have a massive patient list and can only give very scant time to you during a consultation - 10 mins!

I just realise that I am very lucky with my dr. So much so that i would hate to move out of the area. (You have to go to the dr in your immediate area )

I do support the NHS and am grateful for it. but I have had some really bad GPs in London. As a matter of fact I diagnosed my self though health books with my IBD then paid private to seek treatment. If you have a good GP hold on to him because there are bad ones in this country.

Here’s my example. I was told I was too young to have IBD and that there was nothing wrong with me. I was 28 years old. There is no way that is too young for IBD. They refused to refer me to the gasto centre.

If that happens to any uk members who is reading this. You can pay private and then they can refer you to the correct practitioner on the NHS. I didn't know this, and Im glad I found out.

Hi,

Why do people call it 'health care' when in reality it is nothing more than 'disease care'. If you think this is bad, let Barack & Kennedy have their way. Socialism sucks!!!!!!!!!

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> Hi,
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> Why do people call it 'health care' when in
> reality it is nothing more than 'disease care'. If
> you think this is bad, let Barack & Kennedy have
> their way. Socialism sucks!!!!!!!!!


"Managed care" is killing our country. People go to medical school for 6-8 years and emerge not knowing how to cure a damn thing, and how to diagnosis not much more. And they violate the Hippocratic Oath every day: First Do No Harm, allow me to introduce you to Vioxx, now shake hands. "

Excellent posts, Tamukha & joewood; couldn't have said it better myself. I have friends that are very much into the way this current administration thinks, because they are very much into "mooching" off of the system.

Problem is, they are so blinded by their own greedy way of thinking that they can't see the full scope of what really is happening and the direction that we are headed in...

You just can't show some people the way...

>If you think this is bad, let Barack & Kennedy have their way. Socialism sucks!!!!!!!!!<

lol!!! There are many of us who would gladly welcome a truly socialized healthcare system such as England, France, and even Cuba have. (Don't worry, though-- it's highly unlikely it'll ever happen here.) Just goes to show... different strokes for different folks!

BTW, our non-socialized healthcare ranks among the very lowest (37th, I believe) among the western nations.

I certainly agree that the allopathic system isn't healthcare. I'd go even a step further than saying that it's disease prevention; I'd say in many ways it creates diases. We need to throw the whole thing out and start all over again, with a system based on natural health measures and nutrition, but at this point in time things have tipped so far in the other direction that that's an impossibility.It's not an impossibility for those of us who take charge of our own well-being though.

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Yes, a majority of US citizens, and a majority of US physicians want single-payer healthcare for the US; not a clone of the NHS or otherwise, but an expansion of US medicare to cover all people, including mental health, dental, and naturopath coverage. I'd personally really like that; it is true that there are bad, clueless, mean doctors out there, but with a public system like hr676, you can choose your own doctor, and at least you are covered without endless paperwork and denials and bankruptcy.

I haven't had a doctor for several years, since my former doctor retired. I'd like to have insurance, but it's so expensive right now!

I have a great dentist though. He's a runner.

I was excited to learn that a Naturopathic Doctor had set up practice nearby. She had great credentials, including certification with International Association of Hygenic Physicians (Dr. Fuhrman is a member). But when I checked on that, it turns out she's not certified by them at all.

Buyer beware!



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Flipperjan, that is so great that you have a supportive doctor, I have had the complete opposite, these people have made my life very difficult,Where do you live flipperjan? I know it is fairly near me.

you are one of the few lucky ones!

Mine looks on google..to find out what is wrong..and took 20 years to diagnose OCD, And 5 to diagnose crohns!! go figure

eitherway raw has healed those complaints!

My Gp is utter crap

I was struck off after a bad reaction to drug ago 12 years where my pupil blew and I was left with permanent damage, I was struck off in order to deflect from damage done.

My new Gp then thinks his job is to continue to cover up, no investigation was ever done on me to find out what damage has been done, and I've just discovered from private tests I've got mitochondrial failure and he has refused to refer me to specialist so I insisted and he obviously felt pressured and I've just got a copy of referral letter as I was suspicious and don't trust them, and have discovered he has not even bothered to enclose the tests saying I have mitochondrial failure and has just said she refuses to see us, or our specialists, although he does say I had tests and they found nothing wrong and have enclosed relevant info from her correspondence, oh so that will be the bit where I said I didn't want to see any more medical professionals who do not know what they are talking about.

He didn't even know what a diabetic hypoglycaemic coma was when I had a randomly extremely raised blood sugar at one point and I was told I was diabetic which turned out I wasn't after all, and mentioned my sister as a child nearly died as she went into diabetic hypoglycaemic coma. It was not diet in my sisters case as we were brought up to eat healthy no processed foods or sugar, her pancreas did not produce insulin at all, probably due to the hormone injections they gave my mum when pregant.

When my dad died of cancer,he got great care from hospice and macmillan nurse but the NHS hospital was horrendous like a concentration camp in comparison, he was on drugs for pain relief which stopped working and he also became dementia like and didn't recognise anyone and we thought cancer had spread to brain so he went into hospice to get pain relief sorted, and we thought he would die there, but he did improve and they discovered drugs has caused calcium build up and once they removed that he returned to normal, so he came home but quickly deteriorated again, like a child, my mum could not cope, he could not go to the toilet and soiled himself etc, my mum would have to barricade him in bed with furniture otherwise he would wander around and fall over and she could not get him up. Eventually he had to go to hospital for blood transfusion, he fell over on way to ambulance and broke a bone and the ambulance men just left him on the floor and said they couldn't take him now. Mysister had to do a 50 mile drive to get him up.

A few weeks later he went to hospital as broken bone had gone septic and my mum took in full details of all meds he was on but he deteriorated even further and was moaning in pain, the staff were rude to my family and when we decided to move him back to hospice for palliative care, they tried to stop it by saying we were denying him treatment, eventually it was approved by a doctor and then another doctor overturned it, eventually my sister lost her temper and said if my dad was not out by the next day, a complaint would be made, so he came out, once back in the hospice the docs there discovered that the hospital had taken him off all pain relief that they had taken 3 weeks to get right and put him back on morphine which did not work,his calcium levels had raised again, even though they said in hospital they were normal, and it took a few days to sort my dad out again and he regained full lucidity again where he recognised us and could hold a normal conversation and lived a few more weeks in comfort.

I'mnot normally for pharma, and my dad had never used drugs until he was riddled with cancer in pain and they do have a purpose in this case.

Sorry for rant



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Oh golly Ariel - I am so sorry to hear all that - you poor thing. Yeah - when it's bad - it's very bad and your experiences sound like the worst.

Your GP's sound horrendous and it leaves you so vulnerable doesn't it. Yout poor Dad. I hope you are in good health now.

Philippa

Ariel--
I empathize with your need to rant. It sounds like your family went through major trauma; there is no other word for it. I consider the present medical system in the U.S., as well, abusive, dangerous and totally corrupted. I personally have absolutely no faith in the allopathic system or doctors, but my heart goes out to your family, my family, my many friends who rely on doctors, drugs and treatments, and all the millions of people in the world who are kept in the dark about the alternatives that could afford them real health and well-being and a relatively pain-free and peaceful passing. A close friend of mine has been in a coma for 36 days, on life support with multiple organ failure, and it's apparent to me that the mistakes made in her hospital care may well be at least partially responsible for her condition.

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I truly believe that most medical problems are caused by what we eat,and the role of the doctors in the future will be to teach the patient the right combination of LIVING foods to eat,along with meditation and mindfulness.There will be a revolution when society as a whole will discover the truth.

Vinny

Just to add...
I have overcome severe suicidal depression and disabling arthritis all by consuming the right living foods.And NO meds.

Vinny

Thanks so much flipperjan and Kwan, for you kind words. yeah for some reason the topic brought out my rant. Thanks so much for reading and kindness. I still feel quite traumatised by it all, obviously I'm not advoacting pharma, but that was my dad's choice and belief and although he was given a year to live originally as agressive cancer had spread everywhere he did live another 7 and did not take drugs or have chemo or radiation until last year of his life,he probably would have died quicker had he done but he went rapidly down hill, once he started that. I couldn't say that to him because I knew he would not believe me. For me it is the terrible unkindness and deliberate cruelty by some medical people to vulnerable people I can't accept.

I'm sorry about your friend Kwan, it is frustrating to know this is going on and affecting our loved ones



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Arieal,

I am sorry you and your family were caused to endure so much unnecessary suffering.

I can relate. My father died in an agitated state due to the nonchalant attitude of his doctor about the affect his meds were having on him. His doc blew me off when I told him what they were doing to my dad. I wish I could go back and change who I was back then.

I had so many terrible experiences with doctors that I wonder if in the long run it ended up saving my life. When I became extremely ill a few years ago I decided I did not trust any allopathic doctor and I refused to go. I researched everything (thank goodness for the Internet) and began to heal myself holistically, which I believe is the only way you can truly heal. In a way I am thankful for all the terrible experiences I had with doctors. It was scary but not as near as scary as the thought of the alternative.

As more people start taking charge of their own lives and education I think we will see the change in all of our systems including, but not limited to, health care. I think reform starts with us, not the systems.

Nuke meds!

pakd--

> In a way I am thankful for all the terrible experiences I had with doctors<

Isn't that the truth!!?! I am so grateful for all the crazy things that were done to me as a kid (which I know I've already talked too much about it here on this board) which led to my turning to self-healing and raw nutrition pretty early in my life.

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Kwan,

I went through a lot as a kid too. My parents thought they were doing the best for me. I had allergy shots once a week for awhile. I hated it. I was always sick.

Thank goodness for communities like this so we can keep ourselves informed and can feel more secure about our choices that go against the grain of society.

>Thank goodness for communities like this so we can keep ourselves informed and can feel more secure about our choices that go against the grain of society.<

Yes, we're so fortunate to have this forum! I am so amazed as I talk to 99% of my friends and acquaintances, to realize that hardly anybody knows about this stuff, and when I try to tell them a little bit about it, they're usually just not interested, because they're too used to comfort foods and medications. Most of my friends are now in their 50s and 60s, and of course they're starting to have big health problems, and it's really hard for me to watch them slowly deteriorate, when I know that there is a way that they could avoid much or all of the suffering they're beginning to experience. Can't help others that much, really (except to gently let them know that we practice harmless health practices like fasting and raw food diet), but we can be all the more diligent in taking care of ourselves, and maybe the example will inspire a few of our friends to change.

A friend just sent me an e-mail about how many non-invasive alternative cancer treatments and the like have been suppressed and their originators prosecuted and thrown in jail in this country, and I'm reminded that it's hard for people to learn the truth. Wilhelm Reich, for example, was thrown in jail for his orgone energy discoveries; they were just too threatening to the medical establishment.

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ive mostly seen phyciatrists and counselors versus primary care physicians.

all of them have encouraged me to become healthy and even eat the raw vegan diet if it makes me happy.they always promote thier pills, but look intrested when i have spoken of the raw vegan lifesyle.i dont think they have ever heard of such a thing.