Im really trying hard to do the day light diet, but sometimes i eat as much as i can for dinner but then get really hungry later. im forcing myself not to eat at the moment as my intestines have been in knots.

hun im not sure why you are bopping around from one protocol to the next and around and around in circles, just a couple of weeks ago you were admitting easier digestion, feeling better, reduction of symtoms, etc etc. simply by eating simpler and not combining your foods badly

if you are keeping yourself satisfied throughout the day you shouldnt have any need to scarf down a huge meal at dinnertime, which forces you to deal with a huge amount of digestion issues

you already know this

smaller more frequent mono meals throughout the day, so you dont get hungry, so you get the nutrition you need, so you give your digestive system the easiest way possible to deal with what you are putting into it

why are you being your own worst enemy? LOL go back to what was working

also the daylight diet is similar to tonya zavastas quantum eating , as sharrhan has pointed out on many occaisions this type of eating may not be easy or suitable for beginners. daylight diet may be too restrictive for you at this time.

you may want to rethink your strategy on this one

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist




Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2009 08:11PM by Jgunn.

I agree - don't change it up too much, too quickly. I do the daylight diet, and yeah I feel way better in the morning if I do this. Just try not to make too many changes at once or else your system is gonna freak out. Plus, just be happy where you're at, enjoy it - you can always improve, there's no big rush

P.S. your openness and convictions are motivating!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2009 08:16PM by eecho.

Can someone post a link to the daylight diet? This is the first I have heard of it. I have done some searching but I cannot find a good site that explains it...

[www.paulnison.com]

and
someones review of it here which gives more detail about it
[www.rawlife.com]

paul explaining the book in a vid
[vodpod.com]

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2009 08:42PM by Jgunn.

I know jodie, I was doing really well and i was really happy i was doing great in scotland. then i had that mustard and my system is back in knots. Thats why i jumped to day light diet. I ate really simple today. eg 1 melon in the morning 7 bananas in the after noon, then about 5 cherries. I dicided to have a very simple salad just lettus and sea veg. but now its late and my intestens feel great - no pain- and im not in the loo. but im starving.

this morrning i was in the loo alot, and felt sick, missed work again. i would have eaten more fruit but at the time i could not manage it. stupid UC. its evil- sorry i said i would not winge

Hellokitty,

Agree that you oughtn't to make changes so often and suddenly. I like Paul Nison, but he's been doing this for years, and his appetite is very diminished, so not eating after early afternoon is easy for him. It may not be the right time for you to do that, however. Please go easy on yourself. The way you stress about these things is directly affecting your disorder. Set yourself up for success--monomeal, don't overeat, eat when you are hungry, get exercise and rest, and enjoy whatever is good in your life!

I think people have to bare in mind that if you name and claim this "diet", you will then be programming your mind/body to react/rebel against it, for instance, you tell yourself that your only gonna eat during the day, then your mind/body is going to react/rebel against it at all costs because it will want it's fix, when it wants it.....never forget the emotional/mental side of things.

In my opinion all these "diets/programs" are setting a lot of people up for failure, I mean why dictate to your body when it gets food, isn't it easier to let your body make the changes, when you let your body make the changes it's a way smoother transition instead of trying to jump in the drivers seat and make changes when your body is not ready because the body needs time to adjust to each change you've made previously or your going to get your intestines/organs all confused because it will want to do one thing and your telling it to do another thing, then another thing.....

Ya don't need to keep going from diet to diet, all it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and eat it when your hungry and to stop when your content....it really doesn't have to be rocket science and you shouldn't need anybody to explain to you how and when you should eat....

JS

JERICHO SUNFIRE-BASIC TRAINING
www.jerichosunfire.com



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2009 09:33PM by jericho sunfire.

Hellokitty
How are you approaching a raw vegan diet?

Is it something that you wish to embrace as a positive route to better health and well being?
Is it something that you feel forced into because nothing else has worked for you?

From your posts i have come to recognise that you appear to be sabotaging any success that you gain by not focusing on what works for you.
This is not a criticism, simply an observation. We are all capable of this!

You need to look at why this might be. That's your key.

How will you know that you really do want to live a raw vegan lifestyle?
When you are doing it!

You have all the skills and support you need. Just do it!

If that seems too difficult a task then break it down into as simple a step as you require.
ie just for today/ just for this morning/ for the next hour i will eat.......
Love and respect
ffx

jericho sunfire Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think people have to bare in mind that if you
> name and claim this "diet", you will then be
> programming your mind/body to react/rebel against
> it, for instance, you tell yourself that your only
> gonna eat during the day, then your mind/body is
> going to react/rebel against it at all costs
> because it will want it's fix, when it wants
> it.....never forget the emotional/mental side of
> things.
>
> In my opinion all these "diets/programs" are
> setting a lot of people up for failure, I mean why
> dictate to your body when it gets food, isn't it
> easier to let your body make the changes, when you
> let your body make the changes it's a way smoother
> transition instead of trying to jump in the
> drivers seat and make changes when your body is
> not ready because the body needs time to adjust to
> each change you've made previously or your going
> to get your intestines/organs all confused because
> it will want to do one thing and your telling it
> to do another thing, then another thing.....
>
> Ya don't need to keep going from diet to diet, all
> it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and eat it
> when your hungry and to stop when your
> content....it really doesn't have to be rocket
> science and you shouldn't need anybody to explain
> to you how and when you should eat....
>
> JS


jericho,

Can't say I fully support that approach; it may sound good in theory, but I know many folks who follow that kind of eating pattern - eat when you're hungry, stop when you are content...

Many of them are obese, or overweight at the very least, and sickly. I personally feel that the body is designed to follow a "pattern of sorts", and that may be different for different individuals.

BTW, why are you weighing in on this, since you don't even consume any food? (LOL, joking!)

Ok thanks again. I really trying to be positive- its going to take a wile, especailly when i am asking to reduce my work hours so i can just rest and heal.

acutally i will be much much better if i do this. missing work is 80% of why i stress about uc at the moment. means less money, which i need. but i need to rest or i wont heal. its just me, and i know its me, i really know thats what i need to do for my body, then the rest will follow.

thanks agian

jericho sunfire Wrote:
>
> Ya don't need to keep going from diet to diet, all
> it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and eat it
> when your hungry and to stop when your
> content....it really doesn't have to be rocket
> science and you shouldn't need anybody to explain
> to you how and when you should eat....
>
> JS

Makes total sense to me.
I must admit that although i would have admired the simplicity of the quote, when i first went raw, i don't think that i would have been able to actually manage it at that stage.
Its taken many years to get to that stage. Maybe I'm just a slow learner!


Hellokitty
Embrace the place that you are at.
It is all part of your journey!

The Fruit Faery Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> jericho sunfire Wrote:
> >
> > Ya don't need to keep going from diet to diet,
> all
> > it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and eat
> it
> > when your hungry and to stop when your
> > content....it really doesn't have to be rocket
> > science and you shouldn't need anybody to
> explain
> > to you how and when you should eat....
> >
> > JS
>
> Makes total sense to me.
> I must admit that although i would have admired
> the simplicity of the quote, when i first went
> raw, i don't think that i would have been able to
> actually manage it at that stage.
> Its taken many years to get to that stage. Maybe
> I'm just a slow learner!
>
>
> Hellokitty
> Embrace the place that you are at.
> It is all part of your journey!

Yeah, FF, I think it depends on where your mind is at, for me when I learnt, I learnt from a place of intuition and I let my body tell me what I wanted, it was still hard because that's the nature of the game but I wasn't flip flopping from one raw "diet" to the next, others may come from a different place mentally and that's ok too as it will all work it self out eventually....I guess I'm saying that my statement is not a command, it is what it is, it's not my theory, it should be human nature unless there are underlying emotional issues/attachments that cause one to sabotage progress.

The problem I see here is that guru's sell the sizzle and are unable to get followers to the steak...they don't know who they talk to, heck I bet Paul Nison doesn't even know that Hellokitty is having issues with this "diet" or even doing it, she should be going to him and holding him accountable for his words/teachings/diet....after all he's the creator right!!!!????

At the end of the day I/we can all analyze this post but it doesn't really do any good because we are not Hellokitty and it's really none of my/our business to do this. I say the original poster should go to Paul and hold him accountable.

Juss my opinion

JS

JERICHO SUNFIRE-BASIC TRAINING
www.jerichosunfire.com

juicerkatz Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> jericho sunfire Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think people have to bare in mind that if you
> > name and claim this "diet", you will then be
> > programming your mind/body to react/rebel
> against
> > it, for instance, you tell yourself that your
> only
> > gonna eat during the day, then your mind/body
> is
> > going to react/rebel against it at all costs
> > because it will want it's fix, when it wants
> > it.....never forget the emotional/mental side
> of
> > things.
> >
> > In my opinion all these "diets/programs" are
> > setting a lot of people up for failure, I mean
> why
> > dictate to your body when it gets food, isn't
> it
> > easier to let your body make the changes, when
> you
> > let your body make the changes it's a way
> smoother
> > transition instead of trying to jump in the
> > drivers seat and make changes when your body is
> > not ready because the body needs time to adjust
> to
> > each change you've made previously or your
> going
> > to get your intestines/organs all confused
> because
> > it will want to do one thing and your telling
> it
> > to do another thing, then another thing.....
> >
> > Ya don't need to keep going from diet to diet,
> all
> > it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and eat
> it
> > when your hungry and to stop when your
> > content....it really doesn't have to be rocket
> > science and you shouldn't need anybody to
> explain
> > to you how and when you should eat....
> >
> > JS
>
>
> jericho,
>
> Can't say I fully support that approach; it may
> sound good in theory, but I know many folks who
> follow that kind of eating pattern - eat when
> you're hungry, stop when you are content...
>
> Many of them are obese, or overweight at the very
> least, and sickly. I personally feel that the body
> is designed to follow a "pattern of sorts", and
> that may be different for different individuals.
>
> BTW, why are you weighing in on this, since you
> don't even consume any food? (LOL, joking!)


Nobody is asking you to support it, what makes you think that you have to support it..It's not a approach/method, it's an intuitive conscious choice to not overload the bodies digestive system by over eating and the reasons for over eating are many and everybody is responcible for the choices they make if they overeat it's down to the choice they made...

Joking my azz!...is this thread only for those on the "diet"...I'm weighing in on this because I'm here and I have past experience...that is what this forums is about right, people with past experience weighing in and helping the ones that don't....right...my input is just one of many here.

JS

JERICHO SUNFIRE-BASIC TRAINING
www.jerichosunfire.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2009 09:25AM by jericho sunfire.

jericho sunfire Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> The problem I see here is that guru's sell the
> sizzle and are unable to get followers to the
> steak...they don't know who they talk to, heck I
> bet Paul Nison doesn't even know that Hellokitty
> is having issues with this "diet" or even doing
> it, she should be going to him and holding him
> accountable for his words/teachings/diet....after
> all he's the creator right!!!!????
>
> At the end of the day I/we can all analyze this
> post but it doesn't really do any good because we
> are not and it's really none of my/our
> business to do this. I say the original poster
> should go to Paul and hold him accountable.
>
> Juss my opinion
>
> JS


Fair point JS

I also remember struggling with the raw diet at first. Loads of misinformation and various raw guru concepts to look through at a time when i was hungry for fact and figures!

A very kind hearted, direct, knowledgeable soul on a raw forum threw me the rope that allowed me to climb out of the hole i had managed to dig myself into!
For that i will be eternally grateful.

That rope arrived when i was fully ready to grasp and use it.
With hindsight, i had to go through the difficult stuff. It was all part of my journey. It taught me to re trust my intuition which in turn focused and energised all areas of my life.
ffx

The Fruit Faery Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> jericho sunfire Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The problem I see here is that guru's sell the
> > sizzle and are unable to get followers to the
> > steak...they don't know who they talk to, heck
> I
> > bet Paul Nison doesn't even know that
> Hellokitty
> > is having issues with this "diet" or even doing
> > it, she should be going to him and holding him
> > accountable for his
> words/teachings/diet....after
> > all he's the creator right!!!!????
> >
> > At the end of the day I/we can all analyze this
> > post but it doesn't really do any good because
> we
> > are not and it's really none of my/our
> > business to do this. I say the original poster
> > should go to Paul and hold him accountable.
> >
> > Juss my opinion
> >
> > JS
>
>
> Fair point JS
>
> I also remember struggling with the raw diet at
> first. Loads of misinformation and various raw
> guru concepts to look through at a time when i was
> hungry for fact and figures!
>
> A very kind hearted, direct, knowledgeable soul on
> a raw forum threw me the rope that allowed me to
> climb out of the hole i had managed to dig myself
> into!
> For that i will be eternally grateful.
>
> That rope arrived when i was fully ready to grasp
> and use it.
> With hindsight, i had to go through the difficult
> stuff. It was all part of my journey. It taught me
> to re trust my intuition which in turn focused
> and energised all areas of my life.
> ffx


Great FF....I had a major struggle too, I messed up so many times but as you say, we get these lifelines at the last minute and we cruise on by, I'm glad I had the hard time I had because it taught me my trade. I checked out the leading raw guru's of the day but they were teaching from where they were at and waxed lyrical about how great the raw lifestyle now was for them and seemed to forget about teaching/informing people about their detox/cleansing days when things weren't so great. This is why I don't talk to people about what I do over the internet, I only speak to people that I know and trust because you never know who is listening or where they are coming from, you have people with emotional issues messing themselves up on the raw diet and then everybody blames the diet/guru!

Be good

JS

JERICHO SUNFIRE-BASIC TRAINING
www.jerichosunfire.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2009 10:33AM by jericho sunfire.

Dont worry i did tell Paul.

I think if I was a healthy person trying this it would be different. If i made a mis conbination and ate fruit and salad together then it wouldent be a big deal. Maybe i would get a bit bloated, but with me im only strggling because of the stupid UC. But it doesnt mean i will go back to the SAD. Raw does work.

Anyway looking at the positive like Katie Byran, If i didn't have UC i would never know about the raw diet. I would be eating burgers and fryes and probably have a heart attack or a stroke. and i would have remaind ignorant thinking eating all raw is just etreme. well ive learnt something. SAD diet causes desease, and if we get next lifes i hope im born in a vegan family.



jericho sunfire Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Fruit Faery Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jericho sunfire Wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya don't need to keep going from diet to
> diet,
> > all
> > > it takes is for you to pick up a fruit and
> eat
> > it
> > > when your hungry and to stop when your
> > > content....it really doesn't have to be
> rocket
> > > science and you shouldn't need anybody to
> > explain
> > > to you how and when you should eat....
> > >
> > > JS
> >
> > Makes total sense to me.
> > I must admit that although i would have admired
> > the simplicity of the quote, when i first went
> > raw, i don't think that i would have been able
> to
> > actually manage it at that stage.
> > Its taken many years to get to that stage.
> Maybe
> > I'm just a slow learner!
> >
> >
> > Hellokitty
> > Embrace the place that you are at.
> > It is all part of your journey!
>
> Yeah, FF, I think it depends on where your mind is
> at, for me when I learnt, I learnt from a place of
> intuition and I let my body tell me what I wanted,
> it was still hard because that's the nature of the
> game but I wasn't flip flopping from one raw
> "diet" to the next, others may come from a
> different place mentally and that's ok too as it
> will all work it self out eventually....I guess
> I'm saying that my statement is not a command, it
> is what it is, it's not my theory, it should be
> human nature unless there are underlying emotional
> issues/attachments that cause one to sabotage
> progress.
>
> The problem I see here is that guru's sell the
> sizzle and are unable to get followers to the
> steak...they don't know who they talk to, heck I
> bet Paul Nison doesn't even know that Hellokitty
> is having issues with this "diet" or even doing
> it, she should be going to him and holding him
> accountable for his words/teachings/diet....after
> all he's the creator right!!!!????
>
> At the end of the day I/we can all analyze this
> post but it doesn't really do any good because we
> are not Hellokitty and it's really none of my/our
> business to do this. I say the original poster
> should go to Paul and hold him accountable.
>
> Juss my opinion
>
> JS

This post has made me think about my own life. As most people who have tried 100% raw for at least a few months probably know, diet is a huge factor of how you feel. It is, however, not the only one. Hellokitty, you and I may have something in common: We might both be doing the wrong thing for our health when it comes to our job. I am strapped into my cubicle all day taking abuse for a living, with barely enough time to breathe inbetween. I'm not sure why I'm still doing it. The people around me, especially the ones that have been there a few years and have been promoted, probably feel that they are making a lot of money because they make 3 times more than a minimum wage worker (if that), but what's it all for? Most of them will make less than a couple of million dollars throughout their entire life, and they will have spent it all on idiotic purchases like a car that can go 200 miles an hour _if_ you can ever find a road that is not totally congested, or plastic surgery to cover up the effects of a poor diet and the stress they subject themselves to for 40-120 hours a week.

jericho sunfire Wrote:
>
> Great FF....I had a major struggle too, I messed
> up so many times but as you say, we get these
> lifelines at the last minute and we cruise on by,
> I'm glad I had the hard time I had because it
> taught me my trade. I checked out the leading raw
> guru's of the day but they were teaching from
> where they were at and waxed lyrical about how
> great the raw lifestyle now was for them and
> seemed to forget about teaching/informing people
> about their detox/cleansing days when things
> weren't so great. This is why I don't talk to
> people about what I do over the internet, I only
> speak to people that I know and trust because you
> never know who is listening or where they are
> coming from, you have people with emotional issues
> messing themselves up on the raw diet and then
> everybody blames the diet/guru!
>
> Be good
>
> JS
Hi JS
I'm glad that i had the hard time too!
I wasn't a member of this board, but i have regularly read your posts over the years.
I didn't understand where you were coming from at first. It was only when i moved to a more fruit based diet that i started to get the message!

I wish you continued success on your journey.
looking forward to watching your interview.
ffx

The Fruit Faery Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hi JS
> I'm glad that i had the hard time too!
> I wasn't a member of this board, but i have
> regularly read your posts over the years.
> I didn't understand where you were coming from at
> first. It was only when i moved to a more fruit
> based diet that i started to get the message!
>
> I wish you continued success on your journey.
> looking forward to watching your interview.
> ffx

Thanks FF...thanks for bearing with me as many will trash what they don't understand....but many, many people do get it afer a while but by then I'm on to something else, ha,ha!

You take care now!

JS

JERICHO SUNFIRE-BASIC TRAINING
www.jerichosunfire.com

Yea i dont see the point in pushing my self to get to into the centre of london all the time. it just stresses me. i like my job but i don't like the fact im sick all the time at the moment. The company doesnt like it either. They have been supportive about not eating the products. and thats a big deal for a company like godiva who wants you to taste every new receipe