Well, I stopped eating fruits for about a week or two and took lots of Pau d Arco extract.

Im not sure if I got allergies before, eating lots of fruit, but now it's definitely more noticeable. Anytime I eat fruit whether it's acid sub acid, sweet I start sneezing and my nose gets stuffy.

you are detoxing, you need to water fast

Hi there, I don't mean to argue with the detox theory but I only found out about my condition (histaminosis, sometimes known as histamine intolerance) after going on the 80/10/10

The sudden histamine overload led my body to shut down and I was seriously ill for two years till finally finding a specialist in London who diagnosed me. I had been living with it for years, and while it did bother me, I was never completely incapacitated like on this diet. Not because there's anything wrong with fruitarianism, but in my case I'm lacking diamine oxidase (DAO) the enzyme that degrades the histamine. It's like someone who's lactose intolerant, they're missing the enzyme lactase to degrade milk, I'm missing the DAO for histamine. Unfortunately for me, histamine is in every food on the planet and all I can do is try to ingest as little as possible! I am on a medical trial for a synthetic DAO and it's helping me stay off meds.

You're probably totally fine, but just suffering a little histamine overload. It happens

In a funny twist of fate, my doc broke the "sad" news that I would do much better on RV and I burst out laughing. No skin off my nose so to speak, happy to do it! You can read about the condition and my syptoms/what I went through looking for diagnosis on my blog www.biogenicaminewoman.tumblr.com

I have some recipes and stuff too. Hope this helps!

Yes this does sound nothing like detox, and i hate when every bad symptom under the sun gets passed by as detox.

It does sound like an allergic reaction, but id highly doubt you are allergic to every fruit. What fruit is this happening with?

Allergies are a result of adrenal gland dysfunction so building them up will help. If you need more information PM or search my past posts.

You might have killed off some of your good bacteria with the pau d.arco but it is unlikely to have caused such a problem. How long were you taking it for and for what reason?



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well, grapefruit hasn't given me allergies.

I was eating bananas and apples, and very sweet oranges.

and I was taking pau d arco to kill off candida. Was an experiment to see if I'd feel better afterward.

Non,

Did the pau d'arco experiment prove itself to be beneficial?

badawie Wrote:
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> after going on the 80/10/10 .. I was never completely
> incapacitated like on this diet. Not because
> there's anything wrong with fruitarianism, but in
> my case I'm lacking diamine oxidase (DAO)
> ... my doc broke the "sad"
> news that I would do much better on RV and I burst
> out laughing.
> my blog
> www.biogenicaminewoman.tumblr.com

I read your blog and found it very interesting.

I can understand the doc imagining that a raw vegan diet might be better. High level of biogenic amines are generally associated with aged or cured animal foods, or fermented or spoiled food. Still, natural amines in fruit also increase as fruit ripens, and as veges are stored, and I guess that the volume of fruit & veg eaten in an RV diet could overpower someone whose enzyme levels of monoamine/diamine oxidase (MAO/DAO) are low.

From the list of amine-levels in common foods at:
[www.histamine-intolerance.info]
the fruit with the highest content looks like mandarin & orange (putrescine), and banana (putrescine & serotonin). Foods like apple, grape and strawberry look amine-low: did you have less reaction to them? And how soon after eating an amine-rich fruit did your response kick in? Was it when the food started to leave the stomach, about 15-30 min after eating?

According to:
[www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info]
about one third of the population have a low activity variant of the gene MAOA-L, which could contribute to low MAO-A.

According to:
[www.foodintolerances.com.au]
some herbs and nutritional supplements (along with several common drugs) can block the production of DAO. That might be the case with Pau d'arco, though it is not specified as a side-effect.

Non, which types of fruit trigger the strongest response in you? Any other foods aside from fruit? How soon after eating do they affect you?

That's so interesting Lee! I had been wondering why I get symptoms:

1 min - 2 hours after ingestion with fruit
1 - 2 hours with cooked veg
2 - 6 hours with grains
4-12 hours with flesh

It's because they take different times to leave the stomach! I used to think I wasn't having a reaction to fish (sorry! when I was still eating it) but I then noticed it would take up to 12 hours to feel it.

I think that may be why most people with my condition stick with flesh. They don't get an immediate reaction. I noticed it because I started doing mini fasts, and then longer ones. They get the immediate reaction from the fruit and veg and freak out. Then they stick with animal protein and get really sick and don't understand why.

I also have to say a big thanks to Prana. You advised me a while back to do a long fast. I only managed a few days at a time, but I did indeed find out that fasting (intermittently) raises the DAO levels! Those short fasts made a big difference till I managed to get to the doctor.

Strawberries are high in histamine (according to my doc anyway) and grapes are high in tyramine (which I also have a problem with). As you said, an RV diet could be challenging for someone lacking enzymes but it's so much easier than taking the chance on food that might have been cooked days ago. Dealing with histamine or tyramine alone is easier for me than dealing with the biogenic amines that build up from spoilage/bacteria. RV is also less taxing for the enzymes.

A couple of family members are going to get tested because of the same symptoms. Like you read on that site, in my case it seems to be genetic.

I'm going to paste a paragraph from my blog:

"If you are experiencing symptoms of: IBS, Crohn’s Disease, Gastrointestinal distress, irregular heartbeat, palpitations, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, migraine, anxiety, depression, mania, rash, hives, urinary tract issues and frequency, uterine cramping, yeast-like infection, blurred vision, low blood pressure when getting up, pins and needles in feet, feeling of electricity in your fingers, feet or legs, neuropathy, tinnitus, suddenly falling asleep, convulsions, syncope, sinus infection (with negative culture, don’t let them give you antibiotics if it is!!), blocked nose, persistent sore throat, all with negative culture or coming up empty in diagnostic tests…"

I had all those symptoms, sometimes all in the space of a few days, simultaneously. I thought I was losing my mind. I feel "normal" for the first time in about 20 years. Sometimes I OD on raw foods/fruit and I go back to cooked. I just keep cycling my foods as much as possible.

ok. Thanks for this post. I DID take pau d arco for about a week, and then I noticed these symptoms. I still have them even though I dont take pau d arco anymore. I MAY have always had these symptoms but just never noticed them. I always had "allergies" and my doctors would always prescribe me claritin or some other allergy medication. I was only diagnosed with an allergy to "dust and dust mites"

Hm...

What can I do about this??

oh my.. it's really been getting to me lately. I even get allergies like hell when I don't even eat fruit. Things like carrots, sweet onions, bell peppers, etc. I'm getting bursts of like 10 sneezes in a row. help?

Allergies are a result of adrenal gland dysfunction not outputting sufficient anti-histamine epinephrine and immune modulating corticosteroids.

Build up the adrenal glands with adaptogenic herbs, foods rich in vitamin C and vitamin B5. Which are the two main nutrients needed by the adrenal glands.

I dont see what histamine has to do with this. Geez... Its been gettig worse and worse by the day. The biggest problem is that it triggers asthma. Gasp...

histamine is a protein why should this affect me in my fruit and sugar intake?

Non,

Histamine acts as an inflammatory chemical that both reacts to and causes, in turn, severe allergic symptoms, probably due to the intake of antigens to which you are sensitive. Proteins are found in everything; the chemical "protein" is not synonymous with nutritional "protein." Histamine is the former. If you are experiencing allergy symptoms, your histamine levels are elevated. If this is chronic, it's your body trying to tell you something about how your immune system is flagging stuff and what is influencing this process. As powerlifer mentions, the adrenal glands and the endocrine system in general are a part of inflammation regulation and immune system modulation, and should be looked at.

Are you 100% sure the allergies are from foods and not something environmental?
You could try taking propolis which is very good for natural antihistamine....
I personally found using the buteyko technique has helped me a lot with chronic allergic rhinitis that I now dont really get any more but used to have regularly - the propolis I believe also played some part in this but the buteyko tecnique more ....all the best...

if you were me .. i would go and try and get some allergy testing done ..

i just found out im allergic to these squishy foam earplugs ive been using for nearly 5 years

i couldnt for the life of me figure out why it was everytime i layed down to sleep i would have a hard time swallowing , itchy face and stuffed up nose

i cant even begin to tell you how much time and money ive spent changing mattresses, changing sheets, changing pillows, changing soap for the wash ... and it was the damned earplugs

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist




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Ha-Ha, Jodi! I don't use Flents unless I'm away at someone else's house or a hotel, and it's not quiet enough for me to fall asleep. In those circumstances, foam earplugs are essential. I'd be a right crab if I became allergic to them and couldn't use them! You have my sympathy

I can only think that the pau d'arco has killed off some of your good flora adversely effecting digestion.

Is this happening with other foods or just fruits? What about other high carb foods?

well it is a lot of fruits.. and ones that aren't even considered bad for those who are sensitive to histamine.

I do take maca powder, and I ginseng. Only thing I can do is drink lots and lots and lots of water, while continuing to take the maca and even some astralagus, and multivitamins. As for the fruits that have been giving the allergies but are supposed to be ok on a low histamine diet are bananas and apples. Dates are not supposed to be good, neither are oranges, of course they also give me allergies.

So far I think the only thing that has not given me allergies are melons and pears... papayas which are one of my favourites gives me allergies but I think not as much as say dates or bananas or apples. One date doesn't give me all the symptoms just very little amounts of it and no asthma. After eating one apple I get tons of allergies. Bananas I can eat sparingly too, like only half or so.

You sound ripe for green smoothies with just half a banana or pear added for sweetness. No worries, lots of people avoid fruit and thrive. If it's not agreeing with you maybe take a break from it until you figure it out.

As for the gut flora.. I've been taking Primal Defense Ultra by Garden of Life products. Not really working I guess.. is there another that is better?

If you look up The Perfect Pickler you'll find the fool proof fermenting jar that I use to make cultured foods. That is supposedly superior to any sort of probiotic in pill or powder form.



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plus you can use it to make pickled green beans one of the most delicious foods on the planet...well, to me at least...lol

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Fermented foods are the best way to repopulate the flora such as water kefir, cultured veggies, miso etc.

Prebiotic fibres to feed the flora. Im not fond of capsulated probiotics there expensive and often do little to nothing.

well u cvan scratch out the melons but maybe watermelons might be worth a try

You just need more superfoods/supps/herbs/cleanses etc.

Oh sure, slap a bandaid on that sucker. That'll fix things...

coco,

I suspect durianrider is kidding

me too!