RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Corathegreen Wrote:
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> > We are just going in circles at this point.
> >
> > Definitions of food on the Web:
> >
> > * any substance that can be metabolized by
> an
> > animal to give energy and build tissue
> > * any solid substance (as opposed to
> liquid)
> > that is used as a source of nourishment; "food
> and
> > drink"
> > * anything that provides mental stimulus
> for
> > thinking
> >
> > Doesn't say anything about being able to be
> eaten
> > until full. That really is an invalid point, in
> my
> > opinion. If you want to argue that black pepper
> is
> > not "food" I'd go more with the question of
> > whether or not it is a "source of nourishment".
> > That has nothing to do with whether or not you
> can
> > eat it until it is full. If studies are showing
> > that it enhances absorption then I'd say yes,
> it
> > is a source of nourishment. If studies are
> showing
> > that it blocks absorption somehow I'd consider
> it
> > an anti-nutrient flavor enhancer and therefore
> not
> > a food. But the studies aren't really clear to
> me
> > either way...?
>
>
> Why do you need a study to improve on the
> absorption of natural food, it is already optimal.
> If you have defeciencies in your digestive system,
> it is not the food that is missing something, it
> is your system that need to be healed, and that is
> not done with black pepper which will make you
> maintain your old habits, it is done thru eating
> less, fasting, and returning to the natural
> harmony and equilibrium you were given at birth.

This is not what black peppers ability's are about. They increase what you would be getting even with optimal digestion its a win/win situation, you make use of more of the nutrients that you wouldn't have already.

As usual you ignored my post about how you cant get full on juices so i guess there useless also and not considered food or nourishment?

I would love to see the the raw foodist that believes they eat entirely like a monkey (or chimp, which is what most mean when they talk about monkeys in relation to humans, they just use the word monkey erroneously) but either way, I doubt there is a single raw vegan that truly eats even close to the diet of a monkey OR chimp...

Edit to put in link.
[pin.primate.wisc.edu]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2011 05:49PM by Curator.

I just get why you'd WANT to eat like a chimp. Eating nothing but unaltered fruit would make for some boring dinner parties. Hey ya'll! Come over to my house so I can make you dinner! *Guests arrive and I hand them a banana* lol....

Not putting you guys down or anything. It just wouldn't work for my lifestyle. Food is an art, to me. But anyways this thread is just spiraling down to nowhere so I'm out. Enjoy! <3

Corathegreen Wrote:
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> I just get why you'd WANT to eat like a chimp.
> Eating nothing but unaltered fruit would make for
> some boring dinner parties. Hey ya'll! Come over
> to my house so I can make you dinner! *Guests
> arrive and I hand them a banana* lol....
>
> Not putting you guys down or anything. It just
> wouldn't work for my lifestyle. Food is an art, to
> me. But anyways this thread is just spiraling down
> to nowhere so I'm out. Enjoy! <3


psssst, check out the link above if you like chimps, its neat...but they do not eat only unaltered fruit...lol... thats just most of what they eat... which is why, if I had a choice, I would not eat like a chimp...ever...

jimtoo Wrote:
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> Oh great, monkey see as monkey do, now I have to
> eat my own poo, too?


Well, it's the only way a body is going to get any use out of B12 made in the lower intestine. If people don't want to supplement I guess that's the way to go.

you can use pepper on french fries. I get all my b-12 from french fries, no feces included!!

I think we all need to remember this.



Do not feed it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2011 06:29PM by coco.

#1 We don’t live in a *natural* world anymore
#2 Nobody is born nowadays unadulterated on in perfect state of homeostasis because of reason #1
#3 Very little (if any) food today is even close to its *natural* origins contributing to the state of #1,
#4 We need to do the best we can with whats available and strive to improve the situation that has caused us to be in the state of #1

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

powerlifer Wrote:
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> This is not what black peppers ability's are
> about. They increase what you would be getting
> even with optimal digestion its a win/win
> situation, you make use of more of the nutrients
> that you wouldn't have already.
>
> As usual you ignored my post about how you cant
> get full on juices so i guess there useless also
> and not considered food or nourishment?

No it is not a win/win
I do not need to go more than 65 mph on a road where the limit is 65mph.
I do not need any additonal assistance in degestive a ripe mango.
Going faster is not necessarly optimal.
The mango has everything it needs to be digested.

Even with an optimal digestion you aren't making full use of the nutrients though, this is what several of the studies have shown, black peppers piperine works in several different ways to increase the AVAILIBILITY of the nutrients contained in said food its digesting, so yeah it is win win.

If you like the car analogy it would be like adding some ingredient to your petrol to get more miles to the gallon.

I know you pick and choose what you answer and ignore pretty much everything. But can you at least answer my question about juices above? I take it because in your theory you cant get full on them, that they are not considered food or nourishment and contain nothing worthwhile, if so why were you drinking juice? As i know i wont be getting these pages of data you "seemingly" have sadly.



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HEY DIDN'T YOU SEE MY POST POWERLIFER?! It's in bright colours and everything. Dude, let's put this one to bed, yes?

The Thread That Wouldn't Die . . .

. . . Son of The Thread That Wouldn't Die, Part II!

powerlifer my friend, I drink juices and eat fruits. That is my diet, with two days of water or dry fasting per week.

I drink green leave juices in the morning and can take a papaya or some mangoes, pineaple with me for lunch at work (no black pepper).

What did you had for lunch today, I get asked sometimes and the answer is simple, pineapple or papaya.

My juices all have celery at the core, and I get full with one pint or two.
Juice is a food. Collard green juice has more calcium than milk, more vitamin A than carrot... some would problably want a link to the study.

What gives us the sensation of being full most of the time is just in the mind with years of eating that way, the mounth is burning a litte from the spices, we are full.

There is a tremendous amount of energy released when the food is simpler, the body not overloaded, the mind clear.

One last post from me on the whole subject as its went on long enough and is quite frankly abit silly.

But but you cant get full on juices so they cant be a food according to yourself?

Each to there own as i said. Peace

powerlifer Wrote:
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> One last post from me on the whole subject as its
> went on long enough and is quite frankly abit
> silly.
>
> But but you cant get full on juices so they cant
> be a food according to yourself?
>
> Each to there own as i said. Peace

Hunger and appetite are different things, you can control your hunger with juices, you may not control your appetite with juices

madinah Wrote:
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> powerlifer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > One last post from me on the whole subject as
> its
> > went on long enough and is quite frankly abit
> > silly.
> >
> > But but you cant get full on juices so they
> cant
> > be a food according to yourself?
> >
> > Each to there own as i said. Peace
>
> Hunger and appetite are different things, you can
> control your hunger with juices, you may not
> control your appetite with juices

I didn't say they weren't, i know that, i was merely fooling around as RP doesn't view anything that cant get you full as food so in turn juices would also be useless by those views and i think we all know that isn't true either.

Undying thread! lol I thought of this thread last night when I was black peppering up my avocado salad.

I thought I knew what a food was, now I am confused after reading this thread.
RP is banana a food?

Wow! This! This is spectacular! I was googling black pepper and bananas, because I noticed that my tongue seemed particularly raw after eating some black pepper, then having a banana, and wanted to know the correlation, but holy cow did I strike a gold mine of stupidity so rich I couldn't bear to not dig out the entire vein! Wow, how about we all just sit back for a second and absorb how stupid we (you) all look (and are) from an outside point of view!!!

Let's begin with this incessant quoting of studies shall we!?! If you intend to make a claim, and most certainly a scientific claim, you should at least be able to support it with a rational argument or well-worded explanation as to why your claim holds water, or at the very least, be able to pronounce the words you're saying! But you guys, you're special I see. You don't let silly concepts like 'reasons' or 'science' stand in your way, do you?! Instead of giving even a slight explanation when someone demands a source for your claim, you simply retort with MORE SOURCELESS, UNFOUNDED, UNEXPLAINED CLAIMS! It's amazing! Every one of you could be career politicians!

Enough on that however; what really, truly made me stay on this site after I realized it had nothing to do with what I was looking for... the reason I just couldn't stop reading... I have to give this one person all the credit, and I hope he accepts his gracious award: RawPracticalist, come on up here and get your trophy my friend, YOU - HAVE -EARNED IT! Can you believe this guy?! Every word that comes out of his mouth is pure gold! I'm not sure if he's even a real person, it's absurd! Let's take a quick look back at some of my favorite quotes! I'm too lazy to go hunt them down and copy paste, so I'll paraphrase to the best of my ability:

"Fruits want to be eaten."

Can you say that with a straight face?? Are you five? This is awesome, I mean, a grown individual that, not only personifies flora, but believes that it's single most desire is to be voraciously consumed by humans! I applaud you sir, truly I do.

"If you put pepper on a ripe fruit you will feel guilty."

I know, I mean, I can't count the number of times that I've doused my grapefruits in sugar, then later that day felt nothing but remorse over the way I ruined that grapefruit's life-long goal of being eaten in it's ripe and untainted state.... BECAUSE IT'S NEVER HAPPENED! Sir, if the alteration of fruit is causing you real, emotional stress, I highly recommend to you that you see a psychiatric specialist immediately, because I promise you, fruit all over this world is being 'desecrated' constantly and there is NOTHING you can do about it... nothing.

"Adding seasonings to a ripe fruit only takes away from it. It does not improve the dining experience." (Paraphrased)

Okay so ignoring the aforementioned complete lack of science-based backing for this statement... what in the flipping crap are you talking about? Seriously, WHAT?! Takes away from it in what respect? If I season my fruit with more fruit, then guess what! I just ate twice as much fruit! Sounds like I added something there, don't you think?! And if I season my fruit with salt, and was low on sodium, well, holy shenanigans, I just added some additional sodium to my diet that I was much in need of, thank you very much! And don't go talking bout 'no de-hy-dration! Drink a third a cup of water and solve that problem! Dang, I'm like a fruit-eating master or something! And what, exactly do you define as perfectly ripe?? What is the ideal state of being for a fruit??!! Hmm?? I promise you, just like all forms of perfection, even if you could tell me what it is, it does not exist. Ever. But let's say it did. Let's say I take my perfectly, deliciously ripened banana, oh so tender, yet firm and moist, and let's say I DROWN IT IN TOBASCO SAUCE! Then I EAT MY ENTIRE TOBASCO-BANANA IN LESS THAN 12 SECONDS BECAUSE , GOD IT JUST TASTES SO SO SO GOOD!! OH HOW I LOVE TOBASCO-BANANAS!!! ...wouldn't you say that this improved my dining experience?? Even a little?!?! You're not allowed to answer that because no matter what you say, the answer is yes, because 'dining experience' is an opinion. Smack-tard.

Still, I did go ahead and quote his final response because, honestly it just summarizes his shear ridiculousness as a (human being?) so, so perfectly, let's reflect shall we:


RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> powerlifer my friend, I drink juices and eat
> fruits. That is my diet, with two days of water or
> dry fasting per week.
>
> I drink green leave juices in the morning and can
> take a papaya or some mangoes, pineaple with me
> for lunch at work (no black pepper).
>
> What did you had for lunch today, I get asked
> sometimes and the answer is simple, pineapple or
> papaya.
>
> My juices all have celery at the core, and I get
> full with one pint or two.
> Juice is a food. Collard green juice has more
> calcium than milk, more vitamin A than carrot...
> some would problably want a link to the study.
>
> What gives us the sensation of being full most of
> the time is just in the mind with years of eating
> that way, the mounth is burning a litte from the
> spices, we are full.
>
> There is a tremendous amount of energy released
> when the food is simpler, the body not overloaded,
> the mind clear.


LISTEN TO THIS GUY! WOW! He is sure proud of himself, isn't he kids? Why, if I ate half as much fruit as him I'm certain I'd be the great Gandhi himself! Or perhaps some sort of deity, since the way this guy makes claims about fruit consumption sounds way more like a religion than any thing else! Especially based on the MASSIVE amount of unsourced 'facts'! Simply breath taking to see such a feat of self-righteous assertion from but one person... truly amazing...

Well kids, it's been super duper fun. I hope you've enjoyed it half as much as I have. A word of advice, leave science and fact-finding to engineers, and other such people who understand basic concepts such as 'experimentation' and 'compromise' (i.e. no such thing as perfect). Quick shout out to my friend, powerlifer, if something is dried, it is most certainly dead. If you don't believe me, go find me a dried pepper that can continue to perform cellular division. Or, completely dehydrate your left hand, then continue to use it. Either way. I'll be seeing you all around (don't worry I won't really). Ta ta for now! And remember, every apple you eat is one step closer to becoming a man-god!

You need a better username, dude.

Tamukha Wrote:
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> You need a better username, dude.


I think that one fits pretty well actually.

Starve the trollio now peeps. .

a trollio with a goallio... works for me .. shoe fits. now where's that ignore button?????

Ha-ha, Paul! If I ever write a children's book, I will call it, A Trollio with a Goalio

Trollio who?
He is very confused, he does not understand that the key to health is food assimilation not the quantity. There are people on liquidarian diet who fast every other day. Less is better

I just realized trollio doesn't understand the difference between dehydration and dessication.

Sad, but in a funny kind of way

I don't believe this was mentioned already...

The piperine in black pepper, when combined with turmeric, makes the curcumin in turmeric MANY MANY TIMES more potent. Turmeric is already an herb with AMAZING antioxidant properties, but if you combine it with black pepper... BANG! >8)

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Where are your study that say black pepper IMPROVE
> nutrients absorption????
> What was the population (mice or human?), the
> sample size, the key statistics???


I have to say, this is even common knowledge, the fact that it stimulates digestine and that! means it should increase absorption.

Edit, and in addition I would like to add this to RP because I wated to long to Edit.

No I won't provide a study it is just common sense/common knowledge.

RP I think you have had to many bananas and mango's, it might be affecting your brain. Most fruit is not natural and has way more sugar than it did thousands or even hundreds of years ago, so there goes your natural argument. I believe you have a fungal infection that is affecting your brian and therefore your judgment, lol just joking, I hope you don't, but really you might. Herbs are awsome!

After reading all those posts on pepper I just had to put my dumbass opinion also, Thanks Chris

rzman10001, is it necessary to dish out insults when you disagree with someone? This kind of behavior is offensive and won't be tolerated from you again (that is, if I see it again, your account will be deleted).

Also, you claim about fruit being different from thousands of years ago, there is no way to prove or disprove your claim, as we don't have a sample of fruit from a thousand years ago. What you stated is conjecture and opinion rather than fact.

Yes, I agree, maybe RP needed some tough love though lol, all the reasoning and niceness, was'nt working. And only the bit about fruit a thousand years ago was opinion, but If I remember right it is a decent theory. Apologies to RP. for my intolerance. I'll try and be a nice member in the future.