acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: September 27, 2006 07:59AM tell me more
and more and then some more and after that more theories then some examples and reasons why how many people prescribe to an alkaline diet, here? also, i would like some charts i gave my book away and it had a chart on it darn it! it had stuff in it that i hadn't memorized cuz i'm a poor memorizer just know basics Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: September 27, 2006 09:20AM This is a good site with some basics
[www.acid-base.de] And here is your food table! [www.acid-base.de] If you prefer the pdf (easier to read, I think) [www.acid-base.de] Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: September 28, 2006 11:35PM hey arugula,
i appreciate the above links the second link was helpful because it affirmed that all nuts were acid however, it raised an eyebrow ( or two) for me regarding the acidity, basicity of certain fruits and veggies because according to that chart ALL fruits and veggies are alkaline and i know that simply is not true I appreciate it nonetheless Does anyone have a chart that is constructed from a raw point of view? the chart on the pdf, would say that tomatoes are alkaline as well when, i've been told time immemorial that they are acid i know its all relative does anyone have sapote's chart? or what was the name of his book? does cousens's have a chart like that? Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: September 30, 2006 12:34AM >because according to that chart
>ALL fruits and veggies are alkaline >and i know that simply is not true And how do you know this? What is your criterion? Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: September 30, 2006 05:54AM arugula
you're asking the wrong person i'm the one here trying to get clarification from the little that i have read and heard same question stands can anyone recommend a good book on this issue written from a raw point of view? i saw one recently ( not from a raw point of view) but it was kinda confusing the woman that wrote it claimed that zen buddhists think that avocado and bananas are acid while westerners feel that it is alkaline think i posted this on the other thread so, you can see how this confuses me which is why i'm posting this Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: September 30, 2006 02:21PM hi lilianswan
thanks for taking the time to post this site only problem is that the computer says that the site cannot be found thanks anyhow i guess it's time for me to take a trip down to the book store and get a book(s) on it Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
Lillianswan
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Date: October 02, 2006 03:42AM It must have been accessed too much that day, it can be seen now! I like the chart at the bottom best. I had seen it years ago, and a few weeks ago I wanted to try to find it and I spent hours searching for this particular chart. I like the way it's laid out in kind of a U shape with the foods grouped into PH groups. Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: October 02, 2006 07:58AM hey lilianswan
THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!! I'M definetely gonna print this out gotta question though i actually did go to a bookshelf and one thing kindaconfused me one book said that lemons were very acidic but i've always heard how it was alkaline i believe it is alkaline but why would that book say lemons ( which are high profile for being alkaline) be"acidic"? i understand tomatoes straddling the line but lemons? anyone got any clues on this? i'm gonna get rid of pecans from my diet don't really need it maybe will soak almonds instead if i want that kindaprotein thanks again lilianswan Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
khale
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Date: October 02, 2006 05:08PM One of the reasons the whole acid/alkaline thang can be so confusing is that different nutrition writers approach it from two different angles. Some approach it from the acidity or alkalinity of the food itself and some approach it from the relative acid or alkaline effects on the body.
Lemons are a good example: They are an acid fruit that has an alkalizing affect on the body. Bananas on the other hand are a more alkaline fruit that tends to have a slightly acidic affect on the body. This only seems to apply to raw fruits and veggies. Cooking changes the acid/alkaline affects of foods and meat, which is highly acidic, remains highly acidic in the body. Confusing? You bet! But it does correspond in principle to "natural law" found most clearly discussed in macrobiotic philosopy which states that all things tend to turn into their opposites. This is why an overly yin diet tends to promote yang diseases and vice versa. In my opinion, given a high or totally raw vegan diet, the acid/alkaline balance "problem" is moot. We need both acid and alkaline fresh, raw fruits and veggies. Acidic food only becomes a problem when a person is consuming junk, processed foods and too much cooked or "changed" food and/or too much meat. However, if you are transitioning from the SAD its not a bad idea to avoid acidifying foods for awhile until your system cleans out and becomes more PH balanced. Just my take, Kathleen Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
alive!
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Date: October 02, 2006 07:46PM Maybe that explains some of the questions that have been floating around in my head - like why does every chart that I see have lentils (just one of many examples) in a different column? Nobody seems to agree. Thanks for at least shining some light into the subject!
Life Is Good! alive! Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
The Vej
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Date: October 02, 2006 09:44PM Well everything has to pass through the stomach and the HCl in the stomach is a pH of 2 so everything coming out of your stomach and into the rest of the digestive system would be acid but then it's neutralized later for the protection of the other organs so from a chemistry stand point it wouldn't exactly matter what the pH of your food is unless you have acid reflux problems. So technically neutralizing your stomach would be a bad idea since it's is your body's defence against harmful bacteria and such. Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
khale
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Date: October 02, 2006 11:05PM Ya Vej, lentils are the least acidifying of the legumes as is millet in the grain category and yet ALL grains and legumes are more acidic than alkaline.
Again, if you are eating 100% raw these distinctions are not as critical. If you are cooking your lentils instead of sprouting them, then you may be concerned to have your legumes with alkalizing vegetables to balance things out...but lentils are overall pretty gentle on the system as long as one doesn't overeat them. ~khale Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
shep252
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Date: October 03, 2006 01:44AM I had a severe, debilitating acid reflux problem, now I don't thanks to eating mostly fruits and a little bit of nuts and greens. Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: October 03, 2006 06:32AM hey khale
thanks for explaining the lemons i'm not a big fan of bananas but lemons... i like em Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
The Vej
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Date: October 04, 2006 09:39PM How does cooking a veggie make it more acid? That's a confusing one. Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
khale
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Date: October 05, 2006 03:26PM Vej asks:
"How does cooking a veggie make it more acid? That's a confusing one." Anything you do to food changes its chemistry. Carrots are somewhat different grated than they are sliced. Baked potatoes have a lower glycemic index than do mashed potatoes. Tomatoes are much more acidic cooked into a sauce than they are raw. How this happens or even why I can't technically explain but once you become aware that it does happen you can see and taste and feel it happening with your own food. khale Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
The Vej
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Date: October 05, 2006 09:41PM well when you cut up veggies they may oxidize and those bonds may change the pH but I've found that basic substances are more nasty than acid ones (chem class anyway). Mashed potatoes commonly contain butter or milk etc. so this fat increase may lower it on the glycemic index chart. Sauces also contain more ingredients than just tomatoes too. I agree with you though because some of the basic minerals are being lyched or destroyed in the food. But I just made that up, but it makes sense to me but I don't have a scientific experiment to back that up. lol
Thanks Khale Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
khale
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Date: October 05, 2006 09:59PM Yeah but no. Mashed potatoes, no milk no butter, are still higher in glucose than a baked potato, no milk no butter. The process of boiling and mashing changes the potatoes composition. My guess is that this has more to do with what happens to the fiber than anything else, but that's just a guess. Same goes with tomatoes. A raw tomato is less acidic than a cooked tomato. Period. Whether you add anything else or not.
Anything that we do to our food changes it. Even washing your fruits and vegetables changes the vitamin content. A carrot is not the same grated, sliced or juiced; it's still a carrot but the way the body uses it and assimilates it is different in each case. khale Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
la_veronique
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Date: October 06, 2006 09:08AM khale says:
<<Anything that we do to our food changes it>> what happens if i stare at a pear for one hour? will it make it less acid? that's just a basic question, right? don't get acidic on me just answer it Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
khale
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Date: October 06, 2006 01:03PM La_Veronique asks:
"what happens if i stare at a pear for one hour? will it make it less acid? that's just a basic question, right? don't get acidic on me just answer it " too funny! Nevertheless, if you do stare at a pear for one hour something will definitely happen. Whether or not the pear becomes less or more acidic is completely up to you. khale Re: acid - alkaline
Posted by:
The Vej
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Date: October 07, 2006 01:36AM lol I second that. I don't totally understand pH but I'll take your word for it cuz it makes sense. Oxidization, physical changes etc. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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