Just a little post incase anyone is going through chronic health issues and doesn't know about heavy metal toxicity. Heavy metals were pretty much the root cause of many of my chronic health problems and i tested very high for lead, aluminium, bismuth, antimony and other metals during my time being ill. Lead in particular really messes with adrenal gland function.

Definitley something to think about if you do suffer from any of the conditions or symptoms in the article. That's not to mean there aren't other causes for these symptoms as there are but don't rule out the possibility that metal poisoning could be at the bottom of it. If you do have any of these symptoms and can afford hair mineral or urine challenge tests it would probably be worth doing, even just to rule out the possibility.

Hope some of you guys find this helpful, i wish i had known and took heavy metal toxicity much more seriously than i did, i would have been well much sooner.

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Great info. I'm much pleased to hear that you've overcome your issues as I've dealt with the same. Regarding cilantro, did you ever try a tincture? I was going to do this but then I read somewhere that the intensity can be overwhelming and that a slower, more gentle approach should be used. I have yet to meet anyone who's actually tried it.

Thanks HH, i have used cilantro in tincture form aswell as fresh and they are both rather intense as you say, there are better gentler options. When i was at my worst even a little cilantro in a green salad would send me dizzy and panicky.

Cilantro only mobilizes the metals, you still need a binder such as chlorella or algins from seaweed to remove them. Pectasol-C is a good product and has studies behind it, also doesn't bind to the beneficial minerals such as magnesium and zinc. This is a problem with many chelators, especially if you are not replacing them. Diet alone probably isn't enough or it certainly wasn't for me.

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I've taken a few rounds of brown seaweed but never had any detox symptoms. I can eat a field of cilantro too. I do have some of the symptoms you listed in the article but I'm convinced it's all reaction to EMFs WiFi etc. When I get away from those strong signals, out in the country, I feel 100% better. I think I have heavy electricity etc poisoning, lol. Not really lol though, not so funny at all :'(.

Brown seaweed if you are meaning the modifilan powder is very gentle but very potent and probably my favorite chelator overall. I had good success with it, when i started with a dose in the morning barely any of my extreme symptoms such as feeling cold and flu, fatigue where i would need to sleep completely dissappeared, probably because of binding up the metals that were re-circulating.

Yeah like i say there are many different causes for the symptoms and conditions i listed, but just not to rule out heavy metals as a cause. Doctors have pretty much no idea about heavy metal poisoning from what i found with my visits. Even so called expert and specialist doctors had barely heard of it.

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Good post, powerlifer

Isn't that odd that something with such far-reaching effects is nearly unknown in the medical field? Well, not that surprising though, they don't know anything about food sensitivity either. Dummies.
Thanks for the article and yes, it was modifilian that you'd recommended to me earlier in the year last year. I did a few rounds of that and some of the things you said would be good for adrenal support. I just finished some ashwaghanda in fact. I have a couple of others to do now, chaga, ginseng w gotu kola. You've always given me great advice Chris, thanks for that .

Thanks guys.

Heavy metal toxicity is probably known in some of the older generation doctors but even then routinely missed. Lead based paints etc were more common years back. I just wonder how many people are either labelled as hypochondriacs or mentally ill, doctors had no idea for the cause of my vast array of symptoms and because nothing other than elevated liver enzymes would show on a basic blood test that basically means you must just be depressed and mentally ill, eh ?. It is little wonder in this day and age why those with MS, Chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyglia take decades to get a definitive diagnosis because most doctors simply aren't willing to put the diagnostic leg work in anymore. Much easier to just prescribe anti-depressants for everyone.

Its no wonder i lose my patience with many general practitioners. The wounds have healed now but i remember being at my ends tether around the 10 year mark of getting mucked about by them. Even when i provided hair mineral analysis, urine challenge test results showing heavy metal toxicity they still argued like it was a bunch of hocus pocus when urine challenge test is about as accurate as you get minus a tissue biopsy.

My doctors view was that because he wasn't allowed himself to put the request in for a lesser known test i.e blood/serum heavy metal testing that it probably wasn't the cause of my problems as he hadn't heard of it. I feel blessed that i somehow stumbled onto the path of natural health but many others who are chronically ill won't and will be left to rot in the same manner i was.

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I chose to use activated charcoal in charcoal slurries to detox (I read it can help with about 60% if the toxins in body and brain) from black mold I was exposed to for 10 months. That and Chinese herbal teas..I did the teas for I think around 6 weeks but the charcoal slurries were easy and I continued with those for maybe a year. I still use them on rare occasions.

I live in Lake County, Ca. and they do the heavy geoengineering (aerosol) spraying daily. While I was going thru the mold issue I became aware of the toxic spraying while I lived in Portland, Oregon. Charcoal also helps for heavy metal toxicity.

Love,
Prism

The only problem with activated charcoal is that due to its strong adsorbent properties it will bind to vitamins and minerals. Which is why i usually would only use in case of poisoning, although it is effective.

What Chinese herbal teas did you use for the black mould exposure Prism out of interest?

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It does not attract those things that our body requires. And I'd beware of many supplements that people take due to some supplements may be contamination with lead and other heavy metals.

I read that charcoal is something that will actually penetrate the blood/brain barrier to remove toxins.

It was a list of 13 different herbs and I made the list and I think I have it posted in my raw food diary here. The names are difficult and I had to research each one at the time because I was curious of course. The tea was vile tasting and after the first week I had to cut it with concord grape juice to even get it down.

Let me see if I can find the list and I'll post it on this thread.

Love,
Prism

Activated charcoal will bind to other vitamins and minerals especially those taken close to which is why if taken it would possibly be best at bed time so that nutrient absorption isn't too much effected.

Even some chelators bind to beneficial minerals, which is why minerals such as magnesium and zinc which are both required for many body processes to remove metals and other toxins are often low.

That would be great

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I forgot to mention about Copper toxicity and Zinc deficiency which is an article in itself and not as straight forward a topic as it seems. Copper toxicity was a massive problem with myself and its not as easy as just displacing the Copper with Zinc, which causes the copper to dump/"copper dumping". Which is probably one of the worst feelings of detoxification i have come across, constantly feeling like you are away to seizure, panic attacks that don't respond to sedatives and so on.

Especially hard if your elimination organs such as the liver are sluggish and don't eliminate toxins well. Vegan diets are usually rather high in copper compared to Zinc so there can be issue in some. Especially if combined with factors that increase Zinc loss such as alcohol, stress, low stomach acid, cigarettes, drugs and medications which are some of the common factors.

Forgetting my tirade of other symptoms, my arms and body came out in stretch marks which is a common symptom of Zinc deficiency. All gone now and i have lovely skin due to my diet and herbs but back then my doctor didn't have a clue what was going on. Its sad that when it comes to anything out of the norm you have to become your own doctor essentially. It frustrated me because my doctor would at least put his ego aside and admit he didn't know what was going on but at the same time wouldn't prescribe tests or send me to a specialist. I feel lucky i managed to work out the multiple riddles which were causing my health problems and making my life a living hell, so if these articles help anyone else not go through what i did i will be happy .

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I've added cilantro to my smoothies for 3 days now. The first two nights I've woken up with night sweats on multiple occasions. That never happens anymore. Detox? I feel great otherewise.

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> I've added cilantro to my smoothies for 3 days
> now. The first two nights I've woken up with night
> sweats on multiple occasions. That never happens
> anymore. Detox? I feel great otherewise.

Could be detox heavenhands, if you suspect heavy metal toxicity it would be wise to add in a binding chelator such as chlorella or a species of seaweed which is rich in algins. Increase water intake slightly also to compensate for the detox.

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Thanks. It's a lot of fun to watch your knowledge unfold. Chlorella supplements should be arriving in the mail today and I consume sea veg on the regular. Outside of the usual reasons for suspecting HM toxicity, I did work in steel fabrication back in college. I've also lived in heavily or once heavily industrialized areas for most of my life. One thing I've dealt with is TMJ and have often wondered if that isn't HM toxicity related.

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> > I've added cilantro to my smoothies for 3 days
> > now. The first two nights I've woken up with
> night
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> happens
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> Could be detox heavenhands, if you suspect heavy
> metal toxicity it would be wise to add in a
> binding chelator such as chlorella or a species of
> seaweed which is rich in algins. Increase water
> intake slightly also to compensate for the detox.
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Thanks HH, TMJ has been linked to magnesium deficiency which can cause a wide array of symptoms largely because magnesium is required for over 300 enzyme reactions.

Silica is also helpful.

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I was reading that the other day. I do have quite a bit if spinach in my diet and chard when it's good and available. I've been doing much, much better over the past year. But still, now and then it rears its ugly head. I don't think I've had any episodes since I started my herbal journey though. I feel good. No overt stress. Perhaps I've seen the last of it.

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> Thanks HH, TMJ has been linked to magnesium
> deficiency which can cause a wide array of
> symptoms largely because magnesium is required for
> over 300 enzyme reactions.
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I came across your post about your copper issue and zinc causing stretch marks. The same thing happened to my 21 year old daughter and she is covered in stretch marks. We are currently working on getting her copper levels down and like you said, it is aa tough thing to do. Being 21, my daughter's main concern is the stretch marks. Did you do anything special to get rid of them or did getting your zinc/copper ratio in balance take ca of them?
Thanks!!

Hey Sfloyd,

In the end it was found out that i have a genetic disorder known as Pyroluria or the correct term which is hemopyrrollactamuria(HPU), which 10% of the population is thought to have but rarely gets diagnosed. Diagnosis is in part done with the help of a simple, cheap urine Kryptopyrrole test.

Pyroluria causes a severe but reversible stress induced deficiency in nutrients such as Zinc, B6, Manganese, Biotin etc. Restoring my zinc levels has 95% got rid of these stretch marks, unfortunately the minor scarring from the stretching remains although has faded to the point its only really noticeable to me, if at all. It is hard to reverse the scarring but i believe it can be heavily minimized by supporting collagen production with vitamin C, silica, bioflavonoids, bone broths etc.

One things for sure is that, as soon as i started supplementation with the Zinc, the stretch marks completely stopped occurring. You will want a qualified practitioner to guide you though, zinc supplements can be toxic at high levels and can lower levels of other essential nutrients such as manganese and copper eventually.

Having natural binding chelators such as Pectasol-C, Chlorella, Brown Seaweed Extract etc on hand to mop up the acute metal toxicity which results when reintroducing Zinc to the body, is extremely helpful for reducing many of the adverse symptoms. I would first find a professional who can guide you on finding out if there is an underlying reason such as Pyroluria which are causing such low Zinc levels and in turn stretch marks.

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What i forgot to say is for people like myself with underlying bio-chemical factors such as pyroluria, under-methylation and low histamine, until you treat these root problems then you will always be a liability to accumulating heavy metals and all the secondary symptoms that result

For years i would mop up/bind these heavy metals with chelators to reduce my symptoms but without addressing the cause you are always swimming an impossible battle, which in my case was pretty much directly the result of a severe Zinc/B6 deficiency and also the resulting low glutathione levels that result induced from pyroluria.

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Hey Sfloyd,

Here is a post I wrote 12 years ago where I mentioned how I got rid of my stretch marks, although they weren't that bad, but nonetheless, they're gone!!!

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RE: Do a Juice Fast
John Rose
Date: 05-16-01 07:45

One of my students lost her varicose veins on a 60 day Juice Fast, and this is what I wrote in my journal on my 90 day Juice Fast:

Day 63 - My skin everywhere feels UNBELIEVABLE!!!...The scar on my chin has been healing just recently.
Day 64 - The scar on my left leg that I've had since childhood is healing...I can still barely see it, but there is no elevation...just like on my left elbow.
Day 65 - My skin is becoming as smooth as glass.
Day 66 - My waist is finally looking like I always thought that it should for someone who is exercising 50 hours a week (from 31 inches to 28 inches).
Day 67 - The stretch marks on my hips are gone

Hering's Law of Cure states that, "All cure starts from within out and from the head down and in the reverse order as the symptoms have appeared." As long as we are dirty on the inside, our skin sort of takes a back seat to healing. Once we remove this latent disease that is inside of us, our skin will then finish healing old scars. I can still barely see the scar on my left leg, but it is no longer elevated as it has been for almost 40 years. Also, the stretch marks on my hips were not that bad, but nonetheless, they are gone! One more thing of interest...my blue eyes that turned hazel as an adult also went back to blue while on my 90 day Juice Fast.

As of today I am on day 19 of my 115th Juice Fast, which brings my total # of days up to 650. This has been my longest break between fasts (315 days), and from my experience day 19 has always been euphoric. I thought that day 19 came one day early this time because yesterday was so exciting. When I finished my 2 hour 30 mile bike ride, I felt as strong at the very end as I did in the beginning. When I was biking off road, a stick bounced into my spokes and I went flying over my handle bars, but I landed on my hands without any injury whatsoever. Later that day I played tennis for 1.5 hours and I was bouncing on my toes till the very end. I no longer play games, I just hit nonstop, running from one side to the other. I'll be turning 47 next month, and thanks to this lifestyle I look and feel like a teenager, except for my graying hair which I'm still thinking might reverse itself.

As I mentioned, I thought that day 19 came one day early, but since I've been up since 4:30 this morning, I believe that today is going to be even better. For all of y’all that have never done an extended Juice Fast, it is NOT a sacrifice as many might think. In fact, it will be the most exciting and most exhilarating experience of your entire lifetime. To see pictures of what will come out of you after about 7-10 days on a Juice Fast, go to my website.

Peace and Love................John

In the case of Pyroluria, juicing and diet alone cannot provide the amount of these nutrients needed, that are lost from this disorder. Once stabilized, maintenance supplementation is needed for life being that it is thought to be an inherited genetic condition, symptoms usually come back in 2-4 weeks of stopping the typical pyroluria vitamin therapy(Zinc/B6).

As such it is essential that you consult with a professional who has access to tests and the knowledge to find out what is causing the increased occurrence of stretch marks.

There are many factors and conditions which can cause stretch marks such as pregnancy, rapid weight gain, endocrine disorders such as cushings syndrome, even during puberty due to the higher demand for zinc. Its best not to guess in the dark.

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<<<In the case of Pyroluria, juicing and diet alone cannot provide the amount of these nutrients needed, that are lost from this disorder. Maintenance supplementation is needed for life being that it is thought to be an inherited genetic condition.>>>

Agreed, Juicing deals with the Science of Healing, i.e. Removing Primary Causes and Pyroluria deals with the Art, supporting the Body due to Temporary Impairment or Permanent Damage.

Tell us then what the primary cause of Pyroluria is John and how juicing is supposedly going to address this?, because not even science knows much more than theories at present, which is that its thought to be an inherited genetic disorder.

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>>>Tell us then what the primary cause of Pyroluria is John and how juicing is supposedly going to [deal with it?] [address this?]>>>

Chris,

Juice Fasting/Feasting does NOT deal with the Art of Healing, i.e. Pyroluria in this case - Juice Fasting/Feasting deals with the Science of Healing - Juice Fasting/Feasting Removes some of the Primary Causes, i.e. the Wrong Foods/Unnatural Foods and then, dealing with Pyroluria is where the Art of Healing comes into play.

As far as the Primary Causes of Pyroluria, it looks like EMFs, Heavy Metals, especially Mercury, Unnatural Foods and even Leaky Gut Syndrome [which is really a Subsequent Cause due to Unnatural Foods, Alcohol, Vaccines, Zinc Deficiency (vicious cycle), Medications, Candida, etc.] are the likely suspects, as opposed to blaming it on our Genes. However, if our Genes are to blame, then that comes back to our parents’ Lifestyle Choices.

As I’ve mentioned many times, we always want to start with the Science of Healing first and in many cases, we won’t have to deal with the Art of Healing. For example, if a Leaky Gut is the Primary Cause of Pyroluria, Juice Fasting/Feasting will Remove the Source of Irritation and might even heal the Gut without any additional Glutamine. However, some people might want to include the Art of Healing by supplementing with Glutamine to help decrease Intestinal Permeability. Juice Fasting/Feasting will also help with Heavy Metal Detox along with the necessary chelating and binding supplements, like Zeolite, etc.

So with something as complicated as Pyroluria, we have to add the Art of Healing along with the Science of Healing - we have to address those serious Deficiency Issues, but as I’ve mentioned countless times in the past, we should NEVER use the Art of Healing without the Science of Healing!!!

Peace and Love..........John

Pyroluria like i said above is a inherited genetic abnormality in hemoglobin synthesis. This abnormality causes an excessive level of pyrroles to be formed(not something that occurs in normal individuals) which research has shown binds to zinc, b6 etc causing serious deficiency of these nutrients. Pyrrole disorder is thought to be a familial condition caused by generations of poor genetics and often heavy alcoholism.

The swymptoms which occur such as leaky gut(zinc), heavy metal toxicity(lack of zinc/b6 at receptor sites allows these metals such as copper, lead and mercury to accumulate due to lack of antagonism. This also occurs in part from lowered glutathione levels which result from Zinc/b6 deficiency. These are symptoms caused by the disorder not the other way around and all symptoms associated with these deficiencies resolve.

I understand what your trying to say, despite all this science of arts etc. In the case of Pyroluria though from the limited that is known, it doesn't seem to be a temporary impairment but an inherited condition and will require nutritional replacement/balancing and maintenance supplementation for life.

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Re lowered glutathione, it might not be a bad idea to do coffee enemas along with supplementation of the predigested form of Vit B-6 (as well as zinc). What do you think?

Whenever I hear about things like heavy metal toxicity, I suspect that poor liver function could be a factor. So, where does one start. Depends on what kind of practitioner you consult with, I guess.

By the way, re "inherited genetic abnormality in hemoglobin synthesis" I sometimes wonder if doctors aren't overusing "inherited" and "genetics" as an excuse for their ignorance on more holistic forms of medicine. Just a thought. Maybe they need to take a better look at the patient, to really think hard, to do more reading and research in order to track down fundamental causes.

I believe it really depends on the conditions for these sort of things. For the likes of pyrrole disorder/pyroluria, then its suspected to be due to poor genetics down the family line. Onset usually begins with an intensely stressful period such as a death, break up or when first going to college etc.

Genetic predispositions on the other hand are just that predisposition, nothing is set in stone and alot is due to families living similar lifestyles from generation to generation, poor diets, sedentary lifestyle, alcoholism, poor stress tolerance/adrenal exhaustion etc.

Many with Pyroluria tolerate drugs poorly so caffeine is often not well tolerated. Replacing Zinc and B6 will help to increase glutathione, there are other useful herbs and amino acids to increase glutathione production if needed. Lowered glutathione again due to Pyroluria is only one potential problem, you will find many of these individuals exhibit elevated copper/metal levels, lowered histamine, under-methylators etc. Which all pose problems if not treated long term.

One thing i know for sure is that i would have spent the rest of my life going through periods of stress induced severe deficiencies of zinc, b6 etc due to pyroluria and the health problems that resulted which ruined my life. Life has been hard, any other pyroluric will likely know the feelings of severe inner tension, anxiety, depression, adrenal exhaustion and the myriad of other health problems that result from severe deficiency of these nutrients, induced by pyrrole disorder.

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If you have mercury fillings, is it still possible to detox the heavy metals that are in your body (other than the mouth)?