The article in the PS below is a call for action because every System that Controls us depends on us being Sick and Dis-Connected, which is why Doctors and Nutritionists/Dieticians are so Incompetent!!!

Please stand up for your right to Free Speech and keep this world from slipping further into the abyss by calling the numbers in this article and help support everyone in the future as these injustices unfold.

Peace and Love……….John

PS Here is that article…

[www.naturalnews.com]
Health blogger threatened with jail time for advocating Paleo diet that cured his diabetes
Thursday, April 26, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

(NaturalNews) Internet free speech is under assault in America, and a dangerous new trend has surfaced that threatens to throw nutritional bloggers in jail for advocating healthy diets on their blogs or websites. As you read this, a blogger who wrote about using the Paleo diet to overcome diabetes is being threatened with jail time in North Carolina, where the state Board of Dietetics / Nutrition claims his nutritional advocacy is equivalent to the crime of "practicing nutrition without a license."

His name is Steve Cooksey, and his website is [www.diabetes-warrior.net]

He's being targeted by state "dieticians" (which is another word for "nutritional moron" as you'll see below) who say that Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to "practice dietetics or nutrition." His website's advocating of the Paleo diet for individuals who have health challenges is, they claim, a violation of law.

So they've threatened him with arrest if he does not take down his website... or at the very least stop advocating the Paleo diet to readers.

Criminalizing health advice

But wait a second. People give nutritional advice on their websites all the time. Millions of websites and blogs, in fact, currently offer advice on fitness, nutrition, disease prevention, natural remedies and more. Are all those people now criminals if they live in North Carolina?

And even worse, could this censorship insanity spread to other states? Might such censorship be pursued at a federal level?

Truth is, such an effort has already taken place. I don't recall who was behind it, but nearly a decade ago, several U.S. Senators got together and tried to push a bill that would make it a federal crime to offer health advice on the internet. That effort failed, and we never heard anything more about it. But now that the U.S. government has crossed what I call the "threshold of criminality" and has devolved into a police state gang of total thugs (TSA, anyway?), it's not hard to imagine these people trying to bring back their loony ideas of criminalizing health advice on the web.

The point behind all this, of course, would be to monopolize information while silencing those who freely share the truth about natural cures, vitamin D, cancer prevention and so on. The truth about nutrition quite obviously threatens the power and profits of the pharmaceutical industry -- an industry that thrives on nutritional ignorance and highly deceptive marketing of its poisons to the uninformed masses. Merck, in fact, was just fined $321 million for criminal violations in the illegal marketing of Vioxx ( [www.naturalnews.com] ).

In North Carolina, monopolistic thuggery and oppression of Free Speech is making the state look pretty ugly from a liberty perspective. As reported in the Carolina Journal: ( [www.carolinajournal.com]... )

"Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail. The board’s director says Cooksey has a First Amendment right to blog about his diet, but he can’t encourage others to adopt it unless the state has certified him as a dietitian or nutritionist."

The key here is found in the phrase, "...can't encourage others." Thus, the mere "encouraging" of someone to eat something healthy is now considered a crime in North Carolina.

Thus, the sentence, "Eat more vegetables and less meat" can suddenly land you in jail. Or posting a blog that includes, "You will be healthier if you drink fresh raw veggie juice each day" suddenly turns you into a criminal.

The purpose of licensing boards is to enforce intellectual monopolies

This all comes from the bewildering brain of one Charla Burill, the director of the North Carolina Board of Dietetics & Nutrition. Like all state licensing boards, the purpose of this board is to create a state-run monopoly over a group of professionals. And like any group, it wants to criminalize anyone it can't control. This is why state medical boards that license M.D.s are also in the business of criminalizing herbal medicine, chiropractic medicine and other forms of therapy they cannot control.

Licensing boards have a poor track record of respecting freedom. In Texas, for example, the medical board has long sought to criminalize cancer research pioneer Dr. Stanislawy Burzynski whose innovative methods have saved countless cancer patients. ( [www.naturalnews.com] ) Other medical licensing boards around the nation routinely attack and criminalize naturopaths and Chinese Medicine practitioners.

So it's not necessarily a surprise that North Carolina's Board of Dietetics / Nutrition wants to criminalize those it cannot control through its licensing monopoly.

What other speech might soon be criminalized?

Charla Burill is a tyrant much like any other government tyrant we've seen in recent history. She wants to strip private citizens of their First Amendment rights in order to subject them to the onerous licensing requirements (and legal jurisdiction) of the board she controls. This is a blatant and outrageous violation of the fundamental right to Free Speech. And if it is allowed to stand, where else might it lead?

If a person can be criminalized for advocating a specific diet or nutritional approach on a website, then couldn't the same warped logic be used to criminalize anyone offering relationship advice? Or mental health advice? Financial advice? Political advice? Pet care advice? Advice for raising children?

I supposed in the mind of people like Charla Burill, the state should be in charge of licensing and controlling every single expression of speech on the internet. If you talk about pet care, you're supposed to apply for (and pay for) a "pet dietician" license. If you talk about relationships, you need a "counseling license." If you advocate self pleasure on the 'web, you might even need a "masturbation license," which I'm sure North Carolina's pot-bellied government goons are experts at granting.

Under North Carolina's interpretation of its (false) authority, virtually the entire NaturalNews website is "criminal." Yep, when we say you should drink some green tea for its antioxidants, well that's a crime, you see? When we say "get more vitamin D" to help prevent cancer, that's a violation of North Carolina's dietician rules!

Dieticians - the lowest sub-class of nutritional grunts

Dieticians, for the record, are the sub-class of processed food grunts who regurgitate government-approved nutritional DIS-information and design school lunch programs, prison food programs and hospital food programs. These are, for the record, the three worst places to get food, as nearly all the food served in these locations will leave you even more diseased than ever.

"Dieticians" are widely discredited in the world of real nutrition, and the dietician community has yet to even acknowledge any qualitative difference between DEAD foods and LIVING foods. Dieticians are all about counting calories, and they couldn't care less where they come from. These are the morons who actually tell cancer patients to drink Ensure! (Yeah, seriously...)

I'm not sure why anyone would even want to be labeled a "dietician." It's sort of like being called a "retard" in grade school. Because, of course, the nutritional knowledge of dieticians is rather retarded, as in "lacking in development." It's basically stuck in the dietary "science" of the 1950's, when scientists thought there were only 4 vitamins.

But instead of upping their knowledge and entering the 21st century of nutritional wisdom, these state-monopolized dietician groups want to force everybody to stay stuck in the 1950's while harassing everyone who dares to offer modern scientific nutritional knowledge on issues like raw foods, phytonutrients, anti-cancer medicinal herbs and other similar topics.

In fact, I would submit that the "North Carolina Board of Dietetics / Nutrition" is misnamed! They're so far behind on modern nutrition that the name itself is misleading. To be accurate, the board would have to be renamed the "North Carolina Board of Malnutrition." Because that's what the board teaches and enforces with its monopolistic (false) authority.

Action item: Tell the North Carolina Board of Dietetics / Nutrition to leave bloggers alone

It's time to tell this group of malnourished morons to keep their mitts off bloggers who are practicing Free Speech. In fact, I would say that the blogger who overcame diabetes using the Paleo diet probably knows MORE about nutritional principles than the dieticians who run the NC board!

If anything, the NC board should be studying this guy's blog and learning something useful. After all, type-2 diabetes can be cured with nutrition, but the dieticians groups never teach this simple truth. In their minds, food can never treat disease. And that's a truly idiotic limitation under which they operate.

Join me in CALLING the North Carolina Board of Dietetics / Nutrition and demanding they stop harassing health bloggers:

[www.ncbdn.org]
North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition
1000 Centre Green Way
Suite 200
Cary, NC 27513

Phone: (919) 228-6391
Toll Free: (800) 849-2936
Fax: (919) 882-1776

Email: info@ncbdn.org

This article is MY Free Speech
By the way, this article is an expression of my Free Speech. Will this NC dietician group also threaten me with being thrown in jail for expressing these views about how idiotic and misdirected they are?

Better yet, why don't they post a big article on their website that attempts to explain why their outdated, minimized "dead" dietician approach is better than the modern, cutting edge nutritional information we teach here at NaturalNews? I'd love to take part in that debate, in fact.

But as you'll see, tyrants don't want to debate the facts. They just want to CONTROL everybody and silence any discussion. They are all about asserting force and power rather than allowing the best intellectual ideas to rise to the top. By silencing discussion, terrorizing nutritional advocates and threatening bloggers, they can maintain their own informational monopolies while eliminating competing ideas.

That's not science, my friends. That's just brute force thuggery. That's the North Carolina Board of Dietetics / Nutrition.

Hear the interview with this Paleo diet blogger on the Robert Scott Bell Show

Robert Scott Bell recently interviewed Paleo blogger Steve Cooksey. Find the April 25, 2012 show at:
[naturalnewsradio.com]

Sources include:
[www.carolinajournal.com]...
[www.naturalnews.com]





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John,
You sure like to get all wrapped up in this stuff dont you.

Whats the answer?

Just go to the store,buy your fresh fruits and veggies,cure your own ailments,and go about your merry way.

But yea,in some instances,you need to keep it to yourself.

ps.I lived in Nc for 3 yrs,and I was sure glad as hell to move.

Vinny

The same 'board of experts' that try to save you will sink you. Look at the diseased, overweight people of NORTH CAROLINA! Surely they have done a good educated job. God bless the educated Nutritional Board of North Carolina.



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<<< You sure like to get all wrapped up in this stuff dont you.>>>

Hey Vinny,

Yes, I am very passionate about making this a better place to live. In fact, I got extremely Philosophical 22 years ago when I stumbled a Solution to so many of our problems that the average person won’t even believe it’s True and I asked myself why doesn’t everyone know this simple message?

My first 2 responses were #1) we don’t want to know mainly because we are Addicted and in Denial and #2) other people don’t want us to know mainly because we have a Dark Side to our Behavior.

So I’ve known about this Piece to the Puzzle from the very beginning and had accumulated 82 files on what I now call Piece 3, which is the Dark Side of our Behavior. And then, within the last year and a half I’ve added another 94 Files so that’s 174 files on Piece 3 and Piece 3 is the #1 Source of Piece 2, False Knowledge and as long as we have Piece 2, we cannot have Piece 1, the Knowledge we’re missing and we need Piece 1 to put an end to this needless suffering.

In other words, we cannot learn anything when we think we already know and the Dark Side of our Behavior is the #1 reason why we don’t know or the #1 Source of False Knowledge.

Now I realize that most people don’t have the time, inclination or the ability to appreciate what I have to say and if you are one of those people, stop reading my posts and telling me that I “need to keep it to myself” or to “take this s--t elsewhere”! But if you are genuine and sincere about being the change which you wish to see, then keep reading and hopefully you will learn something. As Frank A. Clark once said, "We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don’t."

Once again, I’ve gotten lots of Positive Feedback from others who do appreciate what I have to say and it truly saddens me that more people don’t get it.

Peace and Love………John

It is a horrifying attack on free speech. Heck, most of the ads that target me on Facebook would also become illegal.

And nevermind... the nonsense component. =\

Freedom to choose what we put into our bodies, freedom to self-educate.... Of course, I'll be eating my tasty plants and maintain my merry way, but I think it's important to be aware of what's happening around us.

If you read about the circumstances of the complaint against Cooksey, IMO, it becomes less "Liberty Threat Level One":
[www.carolinajournal.com]

The guy went to a registered dietician's seminar and started handing out his [non-credentialed] business cards to people there! He didn't write musingly about his experiences on his blog, la-di-da, he wrote about his experiences and encouraged others to follow his lead and seek him for counseling because the professionals are wrong, wrong, wrong! It's not the same thing as what we do here; we are not actively competing with dieticians and nutritionists. And it isn't a tragic miscarriage of justice or whatever, either. They aren't sending him to Devil's Island; they are asking that he rewrite his blog. Perhaps something as simple as a caveat at the bottom of his webpage, you know, "These statements are not intended to treat or prevent disease, yadda yadda . . . " would be sufficient.

Personally, I don't think that this is a liberty issue at all, and that couching it in those terms is a distraction. It's a professional protectionism issue, and I don't have a problem with professional protectionism. For example, I don't think anyone who didn't graduate from an accredited law school and pass a bar exam should legally be able to defend me in a court of law. I don't think one of our fellow posters here, when she's done with the rigorous curriculum in her Dietetics program, should have her expertise challenged by people that haven't worked as hard as she has to acquire knowledge and proofs.

The REAL problem lies with the curriculum standards of the health siences--Dietetics, Nutrition, and Medicine have all been hijacked by Big Pharma and Big Agra. This is a seriously threatening longstanding problem that we must fight to correct in unified way. And we can't do that if we're freaking out because some guy who thinks he now knows everything about nutrition because of his one personal experience decides to play Catch Me If You Can.

The REAL problem lies in the fact that we are Sick and Dis-Connected and then, the Sickest of the Sickest of us are Mis-Directing all of our so-called Experts so that none of them and none of us ever figure how to solve any of our problems. And then, these Sick, Dis-Connected Psychopaths are placing all of their Sick friends in every government (mainly in bureaucracies and appointed positions) so they can keep people like us from telling the Truth that it’s what we’re Eating that’s making us Sick and Dis-Connected.

Tam, I’ve asked you before whether or not you have studied the Fabian Society and since you have not answered me and since you keep missing the point, I’ll include a few paragraphs from my file…

• In the name of liberty, the Fabians seek to destroy individual rights. While they smugly wrap themselves in the Constitution, they plot to transfer power to bureaucracies staffed with their friends and paid for by those who’s freedoms they seek to usurp. They seek to entangle us in a jungle of laws, phrased in incomprehensible language, upon which we will not be able to extricate ourselves. Their central crusade is the eradication of GOD in public life.

• The Fabians sought to overthrow our system by changing the meaning of our stated legal concepts, and to codify those changes with cases brought by Fabian lawyers before Fabian Judges. The effect of this has been that while the technical wording of American law hasn’t changed much, the implementation has been transferred from the citizen and his elected representatives, to appointed bureaucrats. The Fabians have, diabolically, used our own laws to change the law. Freedom is the victim of these Socialist manipulations.

• "Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means (just as they where in Nazi Germany), unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government – a bureaucratic elite." - Senator William Jenner, 1954

Peace and Love………John

Eaglefly, may I ask what you meant by "keep it to yourself?" Did you mean, advocating for produce over eating dead flesh? Do you realize that this site could be taken down for the same reason? Just because you don't feel it impacts you personally doesn't mean it's not a civil liberties issue for us all. No one should be stifled from advocating for a plant-based diet, should they?

I am not suggesting anyone agonize over this but being a little concerned seems appropriate, given the circumstances.



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Wether this site is here or not,I eat my produce and enjoy the health benefits.
NO ONE could ever take that away from me.
Vinny



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But I would never be a raw vegan without the internet. True story.

Vinny, that's you. And what about if it keeps getting worse? The point I think the OP is making is that there's always these excuses for exerting authority over the public. What about if "they" decide that in the interest of "public health" all fresh produce has to be irradiated? You know, the way they did the nuts (pasteurized, in that case)? There is a fine line between detachment and apathy. I realize that we shouldn't lose our heads over this stuff, but I also think we have to avoid the tendency of sticking our heads in the sand.

John,

Yes, I have heard of the Fabian Society. Your references to it are couched in the language of conspiracy theory, which I tend to dismiss. Things like this:

Quote

Their central crusade is the eradication of GOD in public life.

. . . give me pause. This is the diction of theocracy, which, as a humanist living in what originated as a secular republic, I cannot brook. I am not missing your point, John; I just don't subscribe to your cosmology.

I do find your posts interesting, and appreciate what you are trying to convey, certainly.

I guess I just dont get wrapped up in alot of "what ifs".
It takes too much energy.

Vinny

I am not gnashing my teeth over it but I do like to know what is going down.

<<<Yes, I have heard of the Fabian Society. Your references to it are couched in the language of conspiracy theory, which I tend to dismiss. Things like this: “…GOD…” …I am not missing your point, John; I just don't subscribe to your cosmology.>>>

OK, all of my References - EVERY ONE OF THEM - have to do with Bureaucracies that are being used to take away our Freedoms and even some day might be used to take away our Ability to Eat Raw Food, so I understand why you are changing the subject or Mis-Directing everyone’s attention from the real issues (Bureaucracies taking away our Freedoms) to so some Straw Man quote (…GOD…) that has nothing to do with Bureaucracies and then throw that totally unrelated snippet in my face as if that is MY COSMOLOGY.

Yes, I understand that you are incapable of being Ignorant on any subject so there is no way that you could be missing my point - you just don’t believe in my COSOMOLY - a COSOMOLY that I don’t even believe in.

Now, do you really want to discuss the difference between a Conspiracy Theory and a Conspiracy Fact?

Let’s hear what JFK and J. Edgar Hoover had to say, respectively…

“We are opposed, around the world, by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit and highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed not published, its mistakes are buried not headlined, its’ dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed.” -John F Kennedy

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -J Edgar Hoover

Hey Tam, guess what happens when people come face to face with a Conspiracy Fact? They Shut Down their Frontal Lobe [ [www.rawfoodsupport.com] ] and go screaming Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theory, na na na na na na na, I don’t want to face Reality, na na na na na na na.

Here’s something that very few people ever figure out and it goes back to 2003 when I was doing Research for Pieces 15 and 51 - Addictions. I spent a lot of time back then studying Cocaine, especially Crack Cocaine and I went to the Message Boards for the Crack Heads and the Message Boards for the Family and Friends of the Crack Heads and what I saw time and time again on the Family and Friends Message Boards was one person telling their Story and someone else chiming in and saying that the exact same thing happened to them and that there must be this Mysterious Crack Head Handbook that they all pass around when they all get together.

This did not occur to me until I saw that all informative documentary on Defense Against the Psychopath [ [www.youtube.com] ] about a year ago and then I realized that Crack Heads are Secondary Psychopaths due to the Crack Cocaine Damaging their Frontal Lobe and it wasn’t a Crack Head Handbook all of the Crack Heads had, it was a Psychopathic Handbook.

So the point of all of this is that obviously, there are Conspiracies, otherwise, there wouldn’t be LAWS against them, and one reason why it’s so confusing for some of us is that it looks like all of these Sickos are in cahoots with one another because they all got the same Psychopathic Handbook.

So this Common Trait makes it look like there has to be this Grand Conspiracy because so many Sickos have the same MO, but Joe Scum in Chicago doesn’t have to even know Biff Maroon in Buffalo to use the same Con and take your taxpayer’s dollars so they can put Fluoride in your Drinking Water to dumb you down so that “any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government's explanation and that of its media pimps” is now labeled as a Conspiracy.

For a really good perspective on why so many people throw that word Conspiracy around as all good Parrots do, check out this article by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, Paul Craig Roberts [ [www.foreignpolicyjournal.com] ].

Peace and Love………John

When one takes a position of a dietary guru who insists that their diet is the right way, then perhaps such behavior can be potentially dangerous?


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John,

Don't understand why you are taking umbrage; I thought the phrase I quoted was from one of the "files" that you have authored yourself, no? If you are paraphrasing someone else, I apologize. Still, you seem to be insisting that you are privy to some objective Truth and by not subscribing to that, which I have the right, as a sovereign individual with a good head on her shoulders to do and about which I have been frank, I am somehow diverting the conversation. No: I agree that there are actual conspiracies and have expressed agreement with you elsewhere about the nature/origins of some of them. I admit that I do not understand the reference to the Fabian Society if your focus is on administrative bureaucracies. I admit that I do not believe conspiracy facts, as you call them, to be so numerous as you seem to believe, and thus relegate some of them to the conspiracy theory--that is, non-conspiracy, column. But that's down to my differing experiences and world view, or whatever, and should not be taken as an insult by you. That I don't validate everything you are saying cannot be that important. That you don't validate everything I say is OK by me . . .

<<< I thought the phrase I quoted was from one of the "files" that you have authored yourself, no? If you are paraphrasing someone else, I apologize.>>>

Well, I’m quite relieved that you assumed my file was what I wrote and not my research, although, most of my files do have both. But no, none of those were my own words nor were they paraphrased. I guess I misjudged you. I thought you might want to learn and google my references to read the whole article. I’ve seen you do this with other topics, so I just figured you knew these were Not my words.

Anyway, mark up another frustrating conversation on the internet where 93% of all communication is non-verbal.

<<< That I don't validate everything you are saying cannot be that important. That you don't validate everything I say is OK by me>>>

I don’t need or expect your validation or anyone else’s, but you have expressed your disgust - disapproval - disbelief - disinterest in about half a dozen of my posts so far and that’s OK with me, but don’t expect me to not want to find out who’s missing the most important Pieces to the Puzzle. I love learning and nothing trills me more to find out I’m Wrong or I get to add another Piece to my Puzzle. In fact, if you can find a Flaw in my Logic or add another Piece to my Puzzle, I’ll be indebted to you forever.

So keep it coming - I love a respectable debate for the Love of Knowledge and for the Good of Mankind.

Peace and Love………John

John,

These are not synonymous:

disgust - disapproval - disbelief - disinterest

I'll admit to occasional disbelief. Not disapproval, which suggests disapproval of you by association--not the case. Disinterest, maybe, as I am rather more worried about other things right now and feel some of the things you bring up are remote from me.

Disgust I absolutely deny, as that would require me to directly insult you, which I don't wish to do, and insults me in turn, which I don't relish.

A lot of this stuff I have looked into in the recent past, and while I appreciate being informed, as you do, I am actively trying to focus on those things at the micro level that I can actually change. Not saying you don't, just explaining why I cannot right now feed my brain any more information it will reject as extraneous to my purpose.

<<< These are not synonymous: disgust - disapproval - disbelief - disinterest>>>

They weren’t meant to be synonymous - they were only my guesses as to why you were so negative on so many occasions. As I reviewed your comments, I noted these possibilities…

<<<Not The Hunger Games here, as well! Where can I get away from this stuff?! >>>

Possible reasons why you might want to “get away from this stuff” - [disgust or disinterest or disapproval]?

<<< I don't care what Mike Adams thinks the books are about.>>>

Possible reasons why you “don't care what Mike Adams thinks” - [disinterest or disapproval or disgust]?

<<< Please don't mention "The Matrix" again, John!>>>

Possible reasons why you “don't want me to mention "The Matrix" again” - [disinterest or disapproval or disgust]?

Obviously, you don’t believe or you have not studied and, therefore, do not believe in some of the things that I’ve shared as you have just admitted, but I could only guess as to why you have been so negative on so many occasions. I offered a variety of what I believed might be possibilities and if they were synonymous, then I wouldn’t be offering any variety at all.

I agree with you that we have to be informed, but I also think that we need to be heard because we are being beta tested as to see what these Sickos can get away with almost on a daily basis. Here is a perfect example of being informed and being heard…

Labor Dept. withdraws farm child labor rule after Daily Caller report goes viral
[www.infowars.com]

Peace and Love………John

John,

Regarding The Hunger Games: I work at a school and it's all Hunger Games all the time. Much like teachers were inundated with "Twilight" related things a few years back, we are now inundated with this. I like having a respite from this stuff here and there.

Regarding Mike Adams: He can be a bit of a fear monger, IMO, using invective and hyperbole where it isn't necessary if he is already reporting something we can see is alarming. Reportage is always more effective with people like me when it is drily delivered. That's just me.

Regarding"The Matrix": Perhaps you have not noticed that this work of fiction is overused to debate philosophical matters, and after a couple decades of this, I find it tired. There are people who vest the film with great importance. I think it was a sometimes clumsy mishmash of other older philosophical tropes and was a reflection of its time in the ambivalence toward technology it depicted, but it did have bad-a&& special effects. The singularity is near, you know, so maybe it was a skosh prescient, too. I understand that "The Matrix" is a convenient reference point because everyone has seen it, but I want just once to have a conversation about how we need to wake up without the inevitable mention of the blue pill or the red pill. I am not holding my breath!


I do not think that any of these indicate being negative--which you seem to be using as a value judgment--except in the sense that I am rejecting an idea rather than accepting it. I would say that overfocusing on monolithic problems deeply entrenched in our civilization is rather negative. Again, I am trying to focus on things I can have a direct impact on. I suppose you are, too, with your raw foods counseling and stuff, so I really don't know why we are arguing. I am perfectly satisfied with my frame of knowledge, at present, and do seek out information on a daily basis in case there is something I need to know.

P.S. Have been following the movement to put children back to Dickensian hard labor since that one governor started verbally longing for it last fall, I think it was. Thus, this Newspeaky put-family-farms-back-to-work legislation, which I learned of a couple of days ago, is no surprise. [heavy sigh]

Regarding "the movement to put children back to Dickensian hard labor since that one governor started verbally longing for it last fall", Tamukha, I wasn't aware of that news article. Could you please provide me with a link to it or the name of the governor or something so that I could look it up on Google.

I was brought up on a dairy farm and we kids did the work. No hired man for small farmers because they just barely can make ends meet - we and our neighbors were dirt poor. It wasn't a picnic that's for sure, but that's the way life is on small farms in America. Or I should say that's the way it was before "Big Agra" took over, and got in bed with the government to put the small family farms out of business.

And in my opinion, regulations like this that would curtail children working on their family farms, is designed specifically to put whatever is left of the small family farms out of business to benefit Big Agra. And I believe that's the case with most government regulations - designed to benefit the big guys who are in bed with the government, to eliminate the competition of the small businesses and entrepreneurs.

This ties in with the raw food movement because I thought we were of the mind that 'buy local' and 'eat local' is beneficial for our optimal health. How can we buy and eat local when the government is trying to put our small local farmers out of business through onerous regulations?

<<<I do not think that any of these indicate being negative--which you seem to be using as a value judgment--except in the sense that I am rejecting an idea rather than accepting it.>>>

Definition of NEGATIVE
1
: marked by denial, prohibition, or refusal
[www.merriam-webster.com]

Tam, I could be wrong but it seems to me that your Interstitial Amygdalosis is contributing to your Unrealistic Optimism.

Peace and Love..........John

<<< This ties in with the raw food movement… How can we buy and eat local when the government is trying to put our small local farmers out of business through onerous regulations?>>>

KidRaw,

This is exactly why we must be informed and be heard. This also reminds me of something I heard just last week by Alan Watt that should really get some of us thinking, especially the quote by Albert Pike:

“But you got to go back to ancient times to the present and this particular Society has always said and Albert Pike said this and it’s in his book, Moral and Dogma for the Masons - the bible for Pre-Masonry at that time, he said, ‘Those who will not use their own intellect to think for themselves are, therefore, meat on the table and beasts of burden by choice and consent.’ Now that really was taught to all of the elites generation to generation and that’s a simple explanation, they claim, as to why you all are down there and they’re up there, you see? You’re an Inferior Species, you are Slaves and if you complain, it’s always petitions and please, please, please to a bunch of wolves and you get nothing done in return for it - it doesn’t work, obviously.”

Peace and Love………John

Kidraw, BINGO!!! Somehow I knew this "concern" of theirs didn't pass the smell test. At first I merely thought about migrant workers whose children are sometimes allowed to help pick produce. I am against it for the obvious reason: kids being pulled out of school, not having enough time for their education. But a family farm with chores is not abusive to kids, as long as it's not too involved and they are not pulled out for harvest, etc.

John Rose, keep on the case, my man. It's a jungle out there...

Ah, KidRaw, I've missed you and your dislike of primary sources of data.

If you read the actual legislation, you see that it exempts(or rather, continues to exempt) children working on their own family's farms from being barred from doing so. The provision in the bill that industry didn't like, and have now successfully succeeded in having stricken, prevented children from working with dangerous farm machinery, handling endotoxic pesticides, handling electrical or other hazardous equipment, etc. I don't know why anyone on "our side" would think 14-year-old migrant workers on Big Agra-run farms should have to submit to these conditions, but, hey, another day, another successful misinformation campaign causing citizens to work against their own interests, amirite? [sigh]

John,

I cannot have amygdalosis, as this would require my brain to be irrational from being fueled by fear. Sometimes, a person just won't see it your way, and that should be OK. In case it isn't, I am sorry to have so disappointed you on this thread[scrapes shoes while abjectly bowing out], etc.

Yes, if you read the actual legislation it looks innocuous, even beneficial, but as is the case with all legislation, it's what in the fine print, but even more important - What are the Ramifications and Consequences of the Legislation? What is the intent? - that's another good question. To protect children?? Sure.....

Luckily, we have some good investigative reporters and unbiased journalists who do the digging for us -

Rural Kids, Parents Angry About Labor Dept. Rule Banning Farm Chores

[dailycaller.com]

I'm in the midst of looking up more info on what this bill's damage would be - thanks for giving me more opportunity for researching, which I love doing. It's just so difficult to find all the time to keep up with what 'they' are up to - going to the second layer rather than just blindly trusting those in power, and saying "That sounds good - it will protect our kids. Thanks, government."

I think a big part of the problem with this bill is how it would affect the rural community activities for kids - like the 4-H and FFA which has been around forever.

"Also, the original regulation would have revoked “government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course.” What could possibly go wrong if DC bureaucrats took over farm equipment training?"

The devil is in the details. For example - a kid can't feed a horse and wash out the bucket....



"The Department of Labor’s proposed regulations were aimed at protecting minors from injury while performing certain farm chores, such as unlawful under-age Equus ferus caballus nutrition dispersal and dietetic transportation unit sanitization (above), known to the layman as “feeding a horse and washing the bucket”"

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They’ll be back. They didn’t establish a “Rural Council” for nothing.

Obama Administration Establishes White House Rural Council to Strengthen Rural Communities

[www.whitehouse.gov]

"“Strong rural communities are key to a stronger America,” said President Barack Obama. “That’s why I’ve established the White House Rural Council to make sure we’re working across government to strengthen rural communities and promote economic growth.”


The White House Rural Council will coordinate programs across government to encourage public-private partnerships to promote further economic prosperity and quality of life in rural communities nationwide."

<<<Sometimes, a person just won't see it your way, and that should be OK. In case it isn't, I am sorry to have so disappointed you on this thread>>>

As I have said before on a different thread, I realize that most people don’t have the time, inclination or the ability to see things as clearly as I do and I’m only disappointed when people can’t discuss differences of Opinion with Civility.

<<<I cannot have amygdalosis, as this would require my brain to be irrational from being fueled by fear.>>>

Tam, confusing Amygdalosis with Interstitial Amygdalosis is the same thing as confusing Hyper-Thyroidism with Hypo-Thyroidism - symptoms change as the Condition advances. Don’t feel bad if you don’t know the difference, as most people are not aware of the 4 Stages of Amygdalosis:

Stage 1: Acute Amygdalosis - Fear
Stage 2: Amygdalosis Related Complex - Anxiety
Stage 3: Amygdalosis Dementia - Hysteria
Stage 4: Interstitial Amygdalosis aka Chronic Idiopathic Amygdalosis - Anger

Interestingly, not everyone progresses through all 4 Stages and some may actually skip one or more Stages while not having any symptoms of the prior Stages, which is why it’s so difficult for most people to self-diagnose.

As you can see, Fear is not the only Emotion that makes us think and behave irrationally. As M. Scott Peck points out on page 30 of “Further Along The Road Less Traveled”:

“Not only do we have a geographical territory and become Angry when someone comes uninvited onto our property and starts picking our flowers, but we also have a psychological territory and we become Angry whenever anyone criticizes us. We also have a theological or an ideological territory, and we tend to become Angry whenever anyone criticizes our beliefs or casts aspersions upon our ideas.”

Once again, I don’t expect most people to see things as I do and I’m only disappointed when people Lack Civility. For a great read to help those of us who have these types of people in our lives, I highly recommend M. Scott Peck’s book “A World Waiting To Be Born.”

Peace and Love………John

John,

I am not angry. I have responded to your posts frankly but courteously, which you do not infer from them. I am sorry, but as you have already mentioned, the Internet doe not reflect nuance. So you must just take my word that my tone was intended to be matter-of-fact with a bit of jocularity thrown in.

In return, I will take for granted that your last response to me, in which you describe the different stages of amygdalosis, is not intended to sound condescendingly like a verbal pat on my head accompanied by a soothing, "There, there . . "

Because no one here would be so authoritarian as to presume that other posters' deviations from his/her world view are categorically wrong and requiring repeated punitive retaliation.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here, John.