I remember the Village People used to sing about its praises back in the 80's

"Matcha Matcha Man, I want to be a Matcha Man"....

RawPlease Wrote:
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>
> (I didn't read this entire thread, but I noticed
> the title is B12.

Actually, that's a good point, RawPlease. One could argue that in discussing B-12, one could or would naturally debate or discuss getting B-12 through animal products compared to plant products.

But discussing animal products violates the rules, so it's a conundrum.

KidRaw Wrote:
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> Actually, that's a good point, RawPlease. One
> could argue that in discussing B-12, one could or
> would naturally debate or discuss getting B-12
> through animal products compared to plant
> products.
>
> But discussing animal products violates the rules,
> so it's a conundrum.


Not really because you can discuss B12 in plant products as compared to B12 in animal products *without* recommending consumption of the latter. This, I believe, will not violate the rules if there is any sense to them.

For example, one might acknowledge that a particular animal product is superior to plant products with respect to a particular element, and then say "oh well, since we are vegans for many other reasons let's find and discuss if second-best, but a vegan approach to this particular element."

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/21/2012 05:25PM by chat.

KidRaw Wrote:
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> RawPlease Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > (I didn't read this entire thread, but I
> noticed
> > the title is B12.
>
> Actually, that's a good point, RawPlease. One
> could argue that in discussing B-12, one could or
> would naturally debate or discuss getting B-12
> through animal products compared to plant
> products.
>
> But discussing animal products violates the rules,
> so it's a conundrum.


Of course, you know that wasn't my point.

Of course, but when you mentioned it, I just realized the connection of you-know-what to the Subject being discussed. I've very sensitive to the Relevance of posts in a given thread nowadays

ExperimentsWithTruth2 Wrote:
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> jalanutan Wrote:
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> -----
> > Hi ExperimentsWithTruth,
> >
> > One of the reasons why I love this forum, is
> due
> > to it's strictly vegan nature. And while we are
> at
> > varying stages, I would suggest that the vast
> > majority of us are aspiring to be 100% vegan,
> and
> > have already made the decision to exclude
> animal
> > products from our diet, and if possible, from
> our
> > life. Most of us believe that changing our
> > life-style in this way will benefit our health,
> > our animal friends and of course the earth.
> >
> > Therefore, this forum is designed for just
> that,
> > discussions around veganism, living and raw
> foods.
> > Moreover, our personal eating habits can be
> very
> > emotive, and I would be disappointed and
> offended
> > if this forum became a free-for-all. And IMO
> that
> > is exactly what it would become, with people
> > arguing over this or that food, either vegan,
> > vegetarian, paleo or SAD etc.
> >
> > And while your choice of words are
> argumentative,
> > your comment over restrictions and censorship
> > regarding this particular forum are of course
> > true. However, that is the decision and right
> of
> > the person who runs these forums (perhaps you
> > should take your argument to him 'John
> Kohler').
> > Also, he has provided a variety of forums so
> suit
> > most people. So, if juicing and/or blending are
> a
> > primary source of nutrition for you, than there
> is
> > a forum that has this as its main focus.
> > Nevertheless, John requires that all of his
> forums
> > centre around veganism, living and raw food. As
> > aforementioned, that is his right, and no-one
> is
> > forced to register!!!
> >
> > Another thing, I didn't like your choice of
> > semantics when you commented to Prana's first
> > post, as IMO it was manipulative.
> >
> > You said this, referring to Prana......
> >
> >
> >
> > So, if Prana doesn't believe what you've
> written,
> > then according to you, he's not wise at all.
> >
> > If you hadn't any untoward motives by your
> > response to Prana, then I apologise, though
> that
> > is how it read to me, and perhaps others too.
> >
> > As a suggestion, perhaps there are alternative
> > forums that would better suit you, such as a
> paleo
> > forum!!!
> >
> > I wish you well, jalan.
>
> Why would I post on a paleo forum when I want to
> discuss vegan food? As you said, this forum is
> designed for discussions around veganism and is a
> strictly vegan nature which is exactly what
> oysters and eggs are (vegan) according to some
> views of veganism:
> Consider the Oyster: Why even strict vegans should
> feel comfortable eating oysters by the boatload
>
> The only problem is that there appear to be some
> rude, offensive, incompassionate, unkind,
> disrespectful, inpatient, incompetent, and
> close-minded individuals who don't seem to
> understand the breadth of vegan philosophy and the
> meaning of the word "vegan" and who, instead of
> spewing misguided hatred and ignorance, should
> probably educate themselves, perhaps starting with
> the "ethical veganism" section of wikipedia:
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> nism
> which cites prominant vegan activists such as:
> -Peter Singer who explains in his book "Animal
> Liberation" how oysters are vegan food.
> -Bruce Friedrich who argues that non-organic
> produce or plastic packaging is anti-vegan whereas
> small amounts of butter are vegan.
>
> As to my choice of semantics, all I can say is I
> always expect other people to do the right thing
> and even after they've failed to do the right
> thing I still expect them to do the right thing
> because I sincerely believe the triumph of truth
> and righteousness is always inevitable and I
> therefore strive to encourage/ease that process by
> expecting it. So regardless of whether or not
> Prana has had a temporary lapse of judgement (or
> several) I still regard him as wise and expect him
> to be wise in the future. I think that's
> encouraging and helpful, but if you think "help"
> is synonymous with "manipulation" then I guess you
> could call it "manipulative".

I would say obstinate. You've been asked by the moderator not to promote consuming animal products, yet you continue. Your own author, Mr. Cox concedes he's not vegan, rather pescatarian. This isn't a pescatarian forum. And I for one do not appreciate your pushing animals and animal products on a vegan forum.

Kref

Krefcenz, ten points to you for somehow tying in a Village People reference, LOL!

Hi Kref, thx for that, appreciate it. I didn't even see that post by I assume a Mr Cox, as Prana must have deleted it.