So, here is my dilemma... at least I learned my lesson. Today I had a large salad with canned salmon ( starving) and then I was still hungry so I had raw walnuts and 2 tablespoons of almond butter... why do I feel guilty? I am not sure.

However, I noticed that since I am not completely raw these days, and really not even vegetarian, I am feeling more uncomfortable with my food choices.

On the other hand, when I was eating raw, I was lacking energy.... any recommendations.. for my transition.

Thanks

hard to say what to do

everyone's path is different
find your goal and strive for it

don't expect to get there in one week
and there's no problem, no guilt

don't expect to be perfect and there's no guilt and no problem

it could be worse, you could be trying to save your life
and near death

or you could have never found the truth about diet as you have

celebrate your discovery and enjoy the process
and the fascination of it


there is going to be a price to be paid
for the mistakes of the past

pay the price, get some rest

don't expect to have high energy
and there's no problem

sorry, but you weren't starving; you were very hungry. some people actually are starving.

you aren't eating enough fruit in my opinion, but we've already discussed this. :/

I agree, I totally believe it was psychological. There are people who are starving, good point.

Geez, now I DO feel guilty.

Thanks, I am trying and that is all I can do. No guilt is hard for me when I dealt with alot of eating disorder issues in the past.

I will just keep moving forward.

Sometimes I think the forums can make me analyze things even more.

every day is a new day!

Why do you feel guilty Michelle? Diet is no good when guilt is attached to it. Take your time. If it's meant to happen it will happen some day. Just forgive yourself for not being perfect and focus on all the good things you do.


"there is going to be a price to be paid
for the mistakes of the past " --fresh

Ugh. You sound like some kind of fire and brimstone "we're all sinners going to hell!" fundamentalist preacher.

I could be wrong, but I feel this type of hunger is from not digesting and assimilating fatty acids properly. We get protien carbs and protein pretty easy IMO. Raw vegies, fruit even cooked grains. But when fat is introduced it is always harder to break down.
Are you soaking your nuts?

rzman10001 Wrote:
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> I could be wrong, but I feel this type of hunger
> is from not digesting and assimilating fatty acids
> properly. We get protien carbs and protein pretty
> easy IMO. Raw vegies, fruit even cooked grains.
> But when fat is introduced it is always harder to
> break down.
> Are you soaking your nuts?

No, I did soak the nuts. I need to start doing that again... tell me again why soaking the nuts is important?

HH Wrote:
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> "there is going to be a price to be paid
> for the mistakes of the past " --fresh
>
> Ugh. You sound like some kind of fire and
> brimstone "we're all sinners going to hell!"
> fundamentalist preacher.


the original post was this:

So, here is my dilemma... at least I learned my lesson. Today I had a large salad with canned salmon ( starving) and then I was still hungry so I had raw walnuts and 2 tablespoons of almond butter... why do I feel guilty? I am not sure.

However, I noticed that since I am not completely raw these days, and really not even vegetarian, I am feeling more uncomfortable with my food choices.

On the other hand, when I was eating raw, I was lacking energy.... any recommendations.. for my transition.


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we repeatedly put up these dilemmas for ourselves where what we see is lose-lose scenario, ie: cooked isn't working, don't feel so good, guilty, etc
and raw isn't working because of fatigue.

so my point was, why do we expect not to pay a price for 20 years of poor eating?
pay the price means, do you expect to get into disney world for free?
people pay the price and have a great time.

so what is the price to be paid for future high energy later?
fatigue now.
the response should not be, what can i do to fix this "problem"
the response should be, Accept it and get some rest.

as michele said, she learned her lesson. that's why it's good to test our
choices now and then.

the reason that people do not succeed on raw and blame the diet, and revert to cooked, is that you are unwilling to pay the price. there's nothing fire and brimstone about the statement.

let's make it about michele and her question, as opposed to you slamming me via distoring my statement.

I'll bet anything that 90% of the price being paid is mental.

could be.
the transitional costs (price)
include physical, mental
mental costs can include trying to go too fast when not ready,
depending on the person..
and of course other societal and vegan type issues.
again the long term outlook, which is a challenge, is key,
keeping an eye on potential issues.

And the mental aspect is encouraged by people who support the irrational fear of any and all cooked food. Nevermind that eating some cooked soup with something like collards will provide you with up to 6 times the nutrients that raw collards would provide. But hey, I guess that's just my insidious, life-wrecking addiction to vegetable soup doing the talking.

Ok, I was going to stop posting because I felt like a hypocrite, but you guys have all been so supportive.

I am doing much better, and realized that in the long run, I will thrive on this lifestyle, but it might just take me a little longer than others

Seriously, I think the BTD has been in my head for so long, it is hard to imagine not doing it..

I used sauces as my small % non-raw, and that helped me eat many flavors I craved. Without green juicing, soaked nuts and seeds, seaweed, soaked rice every day, I also was hungry. Lack of energy could also mean you're in detox.

My video to keep me inspired on my health quest: [www.youtube.com]

Pame'laVik'toria Wrote:
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> I used sauces as my small % non-raw, and that
> helped me eat many flavors I craved. Without green
> juicing, soaked nuts and seeds, seaweed, soaked
> rice every day, I also was hungry. Lack of energy
> could also mean you're in detox.


Hi I just saw yourblog, I love it. Very inspirational and informative.

back to studying, but thanks for sharing this

Please remember not to discuss eating sentient beings that are scientifically proven to feel pain (fish) on the vegan board.

RawPlease Wrote:
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> Please remember not to discuss eating sentient
> beings that are scientifically proven to feel pain
> (fish) on the vegan board.


I am assuming you are referring to me and I find this very rude when I was asking for guidance during my transition.

michelemm Wrote:
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> RawPlease Wrote:
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> > Please remember not to discuss eating sentient
> > beings that are scientifically proven to feel
> pain
> > (fish) on the vegan board.
>
>
> I am assuming you are referring to me and I find
> this very rude when I was asking for guidance
> during my transition.

I thought this was a vegan forum where animal products were not discussed. I find it rude to discuss eating animals on a vegan forum. Perhaps I misunderstood if this is a vegan forum.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2012 12:55AM by RawPlease.

No, you are correct this is a vegan forum, for sure

Have a wondeful holiday!!

aww thanks so much! I feel like I'm on a raw island all by myself! Every thing I do, is for me to stay inspired. I'm glad that other raw foodies can enjoy too!

My video to keep me inspired on my health quest: [www.youtube.com]