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bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 06, 2013 08:14PM

Hi

Just wondering if anyone has some positive feedback regarding bone loss and teeth.

I went to the dentist and now I have to see a peridontis.. due to severe bone loss.

I am not sure if this was caused by the low carb diet or not. It seems like when I move away from the blood type diet ( low carb), I have all these issues.

Does anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks.

Probably not much I can do but I want to stay hopeful and stick with vegan/raw.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: RAWLION ()
Date: April 09, 2013 05:26AM

very good points storm. if you stick with a high alkalyzing diet your teeth and bones will stop degenerating. when you eat low carb, you are malnourishing yourself. You gotta focus on greens greens green juices, green smoothies, hemp seeds, and sesame and chia. in time you will probably be able to eat more things. but your body will go through much detoxing first.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 09, 2013 02:19PM

A very low protein diet Will cause bone loss.
A very high protein diet Will cause bone loss (and metabolic acidosis).
A sedentary lifestyle Will cause bone loss.
High salt intake Will cause bone loss.
Low vit D Will cause bone loss.
Low iodine/iodide can cause calcium utilization problems.

RDA for protein is 0.8 grams per Kilogram. Check out hemp seeds. Vegetables and fruits are good because they are alkaline. When your food is acid forming, the calcium in the bones will leach to keep the fluids alkaline. Then calcium stones can form in the kidneys. kidney stones form in acidic bodies.

MEAT very high acid forming
EGGS very high acid forming
FISH very high acid forming
MILK Super high acid forming

GRAINS high acid forming
NUTS and SEEDS high acid forming
LEGUMES low acid forming

VEGETABLES negative acid forming
FRUIT negative acid forming

you can add a pinch od baking soda to bottle water to make it less acidic. Test it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/09/2013 02:28PM by Panchito.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 09, 2013 03:15PM

ok, so it is pretty much finding the balance. I am working on it.

Thank you. I need to really stock up on the vegetables because it appears that is the only thing I can eat right now.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: rzman10001 ()
Date: April 09, 2013 07:53PM

Not all nuts are acid forming, and not all grains are acid forming. Soaked Almonds are very alkalizing as is quinoa, amaranth, teff, millet. Some other nuts are also alkalizing but I forget which ones now.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 10, 2013 12:17PM

don't forget about the baking soda trick. I add a pinch (1/4 teaspoon) to a 1.5L spring water bottle. It makes a huge difference long term (+ 1 week) and it is quite cheap. This body ph difference will cause a bacteria change in the body and kills cancer cells among the many effects. The baking soda needs to have no traces of aluminum. Do a google search for non aluminum baking sodas.

Another trick is transdermal Magnesium oil (Mg chloride). Not as cheap as baking soda but a $50 gallon bottle lasts +5 years. I get mine at Amazon. When the body is sick, it uses a lot of alkaline minerals for everything (it will leach them out from bones if it had to). If you ever had surgery, you want to be loaded with Mg before starting because it will drain all. If you have a very low calorie diet, you're putting stress on glands and making them acidic. So you would need extra alkaline stuff. Also if you are sick, you may be dehydrated witout knowing it. It may take months to get alkaline hydration homeostasis but it is much worse not knowing about it.



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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 10, 2013 08:40PM

Panchito Wrote:
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> don't forget about the baking soda trick. I add a
> pinch (1/4 teaspoon) to a 1.5L spring water
> bottle. It makes a huge difference long term (+ 1
> week) and it is quite cheap. This body ph
> difference will cause a bacteria change in the
> body and kills cancer cells among the many
> effects. The baking soda needs to have no traces
> of aluminum. Do a google search for non aluminum
> baking sodas.
>
> Another trick is transdermal Magnesium oil (Mg
> chloride). Not as cheap as baking soda but a $50
> gallon bottle lasts +5 years. I get mine at
> Amazon. When the body is sick, it uses a lot of
> alkaline minerals for everything (it will leach
> them out from bones if it had to). If you ever had
> surgery, you want to be loaded with Mg before
> starting because it will drain all. If you have a
> very low calorie diet, you're putting stress on
> glands and making them acidic. So you would need
> extra alkaline stuff. Also if you are sick, you
> may be dehydrated witout knowing it. It may take
> months to get alkaline hydration homeostasis but
> it is much worse not knowing about it.


Thanks so much. I am going to buy some baking soda today and I am going to try magnesium supplements as well.

I appreciate your insight. smiling smiley

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: rzman10001 ()
Date: April 10, 2013 09:54PM

Not all nuts are acid forming, and not all grains are acid forming. Soaked Almonds are very alkalizing as is quinoa, amaranth, teff, millet. Some other nuts are also alkalizing but I forget which ones now.

Most fruit is alkalizing weather it is acidic or sweet, unfortunately most fruit is picked unripe and THIS causes it to be acid forming. I can't remember about carrots but I would put money on alkalizing. I would not use baking soda to alkalize my body.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 11, 2013 01:07PM

rzman10001 Wrote:
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> I would not use baking soda to
> alkalize my body.

I guess you have your reasons. But do a google search. For example:

[www.naturalnews.com]

It not only alkalinezes the body. It fights fungus, bad bacteria, etc.


One more thingy I would keep in the radar is Lugols solution

[www.amazon.com]

the reason is in the iodide content. It is needed in many parts of the body (skin, etc). People only think in Iodine as food without thinking about the polarity (iodide). I would also keep Chlorella on the radar.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: banana who ()
Date: April 11, 2013 03:54PM

What about aluminum?

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: rzman10001 ()
Date: April 11, 2013 10:53PM

Panchito Wrote:
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> rzman10001 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would not use baking soda to
> > alkalize my body.
>
> I guess you have your reasons. But do a google
> search. For example:
>
> [www.naturalnews.com]
>
> It not only alkalinezes the body. It fights
> fungus, bad bacteria, etc.
>
>
> One more thingy I would keep in the radar is
> Lugols solution
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> n-Iodine-2/dp/B001AEFM9Y
>
> the reason is in the iodide content. It is needed
> in many parts of the body (skin, etc). People only
> think in Iodine as food without thinking about the
> polarity (iodide). I would also keep Chlorella on
> the radar.


Thanks for the info. I will have to read up a little more on sodium bicarbonate. I just am a firm believer in natural healing but if someone has issues and needs to use something like this because it works and is cheap I have no problem with that.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Prana ()
Date: April 12, 2013 12:32AM

The thing about using baking soda as a "cure" is that it doesn't remove the cause of acidity. This means you have to use this chemical forever. Wouldn't it be easier to remove the elements of your diet and lifestyle that is causing the bone loss, rather than using this "crutch"?


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Re: bone loss
Posted by: rzman10001 ()
Date: April 12, 2013 01:36AM

You can alkalize with greens nuts fruit grains, but like Prana said if there is an underlying issue then it might take time to repair the body. In the meantime one should just stick with whole foods as much as possible. Push out the acid and nourish the body at the same time. You can also use Apple Cider Vinegar but this is not good for some other issues. Boy it would be nice if we had a lot of natural healers out there to help people with all this complicated chemestry. I really don't know of any! and that's just sad. The only one I know of is Brian Clement and his staff at HHI but it is difficult for most to go there much less just find a local person. It's not hard for most to become alkaline.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 12, 2013 02:16AM

rzman10001 Wrote:
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> You can alkalize with greens nuts fruit grains,
> but like Prana said if there is an underlying
> issue then it might take time to repair the body.
> In the meantime one should just stick with whole
> foods as much as possible. Push out the acid and
> nourish the body at the same time. You can also
> use Apple Cider Vinegar but this is not good for
> some other issues. Boy it would be nice if we had
> a lot of natural healers out there to help people
> with all this complicated chemestry. I really
> don't know of any! and that's just sad. The only
> one I know of is Brian Clement and his staff at
> HHI but it is difficult for most to go there much
> less just find a local person. It's not hard for
> most to become alkaline.
Thanks

I am eating a ton of greens... so hopefully this will help. I really do not even need to eat fruit if I can get everything I want from the greens..

I have heard that an alkaline state is not good for blood type o-- so is this a ridiculous statement or do other o's do well with alkaline body.

I just have noticed if I have really clear urine and not in ketosis, I get brainfogged... what is this all about?

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 12, 2013 12:35PM

If you eat only greens, make sure you have enough calories. If low, it would be a good idea to introduce cooked legumes (protein).

The blood stays a certain level by leaching minerals from bones. If the blood is acidic, that is really bad bad news. People eat tons of acidic stuff. I used to drink Pepsys everyday. Now I know Pepsy is made with phosporic acid and that it has ph of 2.60 (killer). The teeth and bones would suffer for sure. Then, the glands would weaken and weaken. Lots of medical conditions pill up. The insterstial fluid and intracellular fluid is what sorrounds the cells. Nobody can measure that. But if the blood is acidic that is a bad omen.

You could get brainfog if you don't eat enough. The Number one priority of the body is sufficent calories. That should also be the number one priority of the brain...Maybe an all raw and vegan diet is too much for some people. But you don't have to chose either all raw or meat. You can chose 70% raw and some cooked food like legumes, etc.



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Re: bone loss
Posted by: rzman10001 ()
Date: April 12, 2013 11:19PM

michelemm, I would not know about this. Certianly clear urine is not always indicating anything but it could. I have never noticed any difference in myself.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 17, 2013 03:14AM

Panchito Wrote:
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> If you eat only greens, make sure you have enough
> calories. If low, it would be a good idea to
> introduce cooked legumes (protein).
>
> The blood stays a certain level by leaching
> minerals from bones. If the blood is acidic, that
> is really bad bad news. People eat tons of acidic
> stuff. I used to drink Pepsys everyday. Now I know
> Pepsy is made with phosporic acid and that it has
> ph of 2.60 (killer). The teeth and bones would
> suffer for sure. Then, the glands would weaken and
> weaken. Lots of medical conditions pill up. The
> insterstial fluid and intracellular fluid is what
> sorrounds the cells. Nobody can measure that. But
> if the blood is acidic that is a bad omen.
>
> You could get brainfog if you don't eat enough.
> The Number one priority of the body is sufficent
> calories. That should also be the number one
> priority of the brain...Maybe an all raw and vegan
> diet is too much for some people. But you don't
> have to chose either all raw or meat. You can
> chose 70% raw and some cooked food like legumes,
> etc.

I think I am going to have to increase my caloric intake which is kind of hard right now. I am on the go all day mentally and physically. I will do it thoughsmiling smiley


GOOD NEWS!!! My peridontis appt was not as bad as I thought. However, I have been 90 percent raw for 2 weeks with much effort. So, he thinks I need to focus more getting the nutrients in but he said he doesnt think an acidic diet was the issue.

I disagree though. I feel like alot of my issues started in the last 2-3 yrs when I pretty much was in ketosis all the time.

Sure, I looked leaner perhaps, but HEALTH is number one for me. Thanks for the feedback and supportsmiling smiley

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 17, 2013 09:16AM

brainfog is also asociated with insulin resistance:

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 17, 2013 06:32PM

Panchito Wrote:
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> brainfog is also asociated with insulin
> resistance:
>
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> gns_and_symptoms


And.. what does this mean?

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: michelemm ()
Date: April 17, 2013 06:36PM

I just googled insulin resistance and I dont eat alot of fat. Also, I keep my fructose consumption low.

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Re: bone loss
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: April 23, 2013 08:53AM

I read yesterday that alkaline stuff (like baking soda) with big daily calcium intakes can cause problems. Never take big calcium intakes (over 2 grams) per day. If you take calcium supplements, they should be limited to like 1 gram max per day. It is better to take small calcium amounts but improve the calcium utilization, than to gulp down big calcium (like milk). Calcium is triky.

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