Dr Brian Clement claims that mung bean sprouts have the most digestable protein of virtually any food, yet people report having problems with digesting them and gas, so l always knew he was wrong. Mung beans sprouts are not highly digestable, and l will provide good science to explain why in a moment.



A test l put to people here who suffer gas from bean sprouts

Experiment 1

Experiments need to be done by people to see if 72 hour sprouted mung followed by 24 - 48 hours of fermentation by rye sprout rejuvalic still causes gas. If it doesn't, we might conclude that raw legumes can actually be consumed and are superior to cooked legumes in terms of digestion - this is a radical call!!!!! Lets test it, anyone want to try it?



Experiment 2

To fully sprout mung bean for 5 days and ferment for 24 – 48 hours in rye rejuvalic to see if they still cause gas.



Note: let us know how long you do fermentation for.

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Dr Brian Clement claims that mung bean sprouts have the most digestable protein of virtually any food, yet people report having problems with digesting them and gas, so l always knew he was wrong. Mung beans sprouts are not highly digestable, and here is scientific proof that Dr Brian Clement is completely wrong!



Influence of Legume Processing Treatments Individually or in Combination on Their Trypsin Inhibitor and Total Phenolic Contents

Rasha Mohamed K, 2A.Y. Gibriel, Nagwa M. H. Rasmy, Ferial M. Abu-Salem and Esmat A. Abou- Arab
[www.ajbasweb.com]

While this study is limited because it doesn't measure the effects of sprouting and fermentation as combined factors alone without cooking included, this study is brilliant!!! The study also didn't measure the total effects of all the lactic acid bacteria, instead it isolated them into four groups.


Very important notes


I have finally worked out why mung bean sprouts cause digestive problems with people, and that is because, as mung beans are fully sprouted the total polyphenol contents greatly increased to higher than the original seed. The peak period for reduction in mung bean sprout tannins is 24 - 48 hours, and the peak period for reducing mung bean sprout trypsin inhibitor content is between 48 - 72 hours. So when these two factors (trypsin inhibitor and tannin inhibitor) are combines it looks like 48 hours of sprouting mung beans could be the optimal period and then to ferment. OR to sprout for 72 hours to reduce trypsin inhibitor by 35% and then ferment to reduce total polyphenols significantly (this option could be the best).


Beans are all problems with polyphenols and trypsin inhibitors on the effects of protein digestion. Cooking them reduces trypsin inhibitor to zero, but lots of polyphenol is still present, which could explain why they still produce gas and indigestion.

If these experiments are pulled off successfully then sprouted fermented grains could also be a possibility. All contain high levels of anti-nutrients, but when these nasties are reduced we can lock into lots of nutrition from these foods and add good calorie.

We know this science study didn't measure many anti nutrients, but at least it is a start.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2013 12:52AM by The Sproutarian Man.

It can also be safely assumed that Brian Clement's claim that mung beans being a good source of zinc is incorrect because science has shown that various polyphenols (mainly tannins) dramatically block bioavailability of zinc. Eventhough tannins also block iron, the vitamin C content of mung beans won't be enough to overcome the effects of tannins to make iron of much higher solubility in the body. Tannins and phytic acid do appesar to be the main problems, but there are others such as: trypsin and amylase inhibitors, hemagglutinins, gossypol, cyanogenic glycosides, oxalates, glucosinolates, estrogens, coumarins, alkaloids, aflatoxins, other phenolic substances, non-protein amino acids, lecithins, non-starch polysaccharides, ruffinose etc.

So yes, sprouting legumes and grains isn't enough to remove various anti nutritional factors in these high nutrient foods. Much more needs to be done to get full benefit from these foods.

If people can ferment the bean sprouts and not get gas, then it could show that a combined strategy of sprouting and fermentation is an extremely potent strategy towards taming the extremely savage beast in grains and legumes. Fermenting and sprouting isd as good as it gets, but how far can it tame the savage beast within the dubious legume/grains? Can it make these dubious foods fully health giving with very high bioavailibility of high levels of nutrients?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2013 01:25AM by The Sproutarian Man.

Why suffer?
Instead of going thru all the problems of making indigestible food digestible the question should be are there any foods naturally digestible.
The answer is yes, fruit.
Is tomato digestible? yes
Is pineapple digestible? yes
Is ripe mango digestible? yes

You do not need to dig out any scientific papers to find these simple facts.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> the question should
> be are there any foods naturally digestible.
> The answer is yes, fruit.
> Is tomato digestible? yes
> Is pineapple digestible? yes
> Is ripe mango digestible? yes


These statements certainly cannot be taken for granted as facts.

Before we get into digestability issues of those fruits, lets talk about something possibly even more important, especially if one eats lots of fruit. A big issue is:

1). How much nutrition does fruit provide in this day and age?
2). Is this nutrition enough in the modern age to help a body combat pollution, stress of modern day living, radiation and other increased needs for nutriion?
3). How are post harvest handling factors effecting the nutrition of the fruit?

In short, if one is eating a large amount of fruit daily, are they leaving less room for more nutritious foods? In other words, isn't it better to eat small amounts of fruit and mainly focus on more nutritious foods?

Lets talk breifly about digestability of fruit. Some of the fruits you talk about are not going to be fully ripe, and fruits like tomatoe and pineapple are going to be prone to having larger amounts of tannins in them. Higher amounts of tannins mean non effecient digestability of protein, carbs, zinc and various other nutrients. Even iron absorption could be a problem if post harvest handling has meant a leaching of vitamin C. That is just one nasty little factor that can snowball and cause a nutritional disaster and ingestability of the fruit.

For other people the dissacharide sugars in mango and pineapple could be a problem when one is unable to break down these sugars. If you continue to eat lots of foods containing dissacharide sugars the body can eventually stop producing enzymes to break down these sugars, and this can lead to sugars bypassing the liver and leading to unstable blood sugar levels which can contribute to other health problems. Polysacharide sugars can also be a problem.

See...fermentation solves all of these problems.

1). It breaks down the complex sugars to keep the load off the body so hopefully the body won't become enzyme deficient
2). It allows one to eat more nutritious foods without the anti nutrients causing near as many problems - you get more bang for your buck - you get more payoff when faced with anti nutrients in sprouts than you would with fruit
3). You can sprout and eat fresh without being hung out to dry by anti nutrients
4). (I forget the other points right now)

I am all for fruit, just make sure it is ripe and eat it sparingly. There are bigger nutritional payoffs out there than fruit.

Shop bought fruit does not mean digestive perfection, sometimes it is far from it (tannins effect many things). Some fresh fruits aren't digestive perfection either (tannins in berries). For older people or big fruit/carb eaters, fruit can be a tripple whammy for digestion (dissacharide/polysacharide sugars, tannins).

I am all for big payoffs. Fruit tastes nice, but it doesn't give the big payoff, that's why l say to limit it. Tame the big boys and you'll come home to roost every single time. If you eat too many of the small boys for long enough they may sink you in the finish.

* Little boys = the fruits = less savage bite/less anti nutrients + less payoff for confronting the beast
* BIG boys = nuts/seeds/legumes/grains/greens = very savage beasts/anti nutrients that can sink you, but if you are daring enough to tame the savage beast you get golden payoffs.

I prefer to confront the lion in the cage and come home with the treasure. What are my powerful weapons? Sprouting (freshness) and fermentation.

If you go into the cage with a little boy (fruit) with no weapons he can eventually beat you. Best to confront the lion and give him all your got and beat him. Why let little kids beat you and come home virtually empty handed. Come home with an armload of treasure with a big smile on your face, l do.



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There is a huge misconception out there that fruits are less nutritious.
Assuming even that it is the case what would you prefer eat something less nutritious but more digestible or eat something more nutritious but less digestible.
A pound of apples may be less nutritious than a pound of spinach but spinach is not as digestible, I can eat more of apples and be fine with no digestive issues.

Besides nuts and seeds are fruits.
Pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds are highly nutritious, so are brazil nuts, almonds.

The non fruits guys have no real argument.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/22/2013 02:28PM by RawPracticalist.

If eating lot's of fruit makes you as crazy as Durian Rider than you can have it, I'll pass lol.

O and you should know that Brazil nuts while are good for you and I love them, they are mostly cooked! meaning ALL Brazil Nuts that I have seen in my life are at least partially cooked! You can clearly see this after they have been soaked, and bite into or cut one in half and look at the cooked portion around the outer edges. Just a little PSA not need for comment.

Superjuice Wrote:
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> If eating lot's of fruit makes you as crazy as
> Durian Rider than you can have it, I'll pass lol.
>

Look what the Rider is eating these days. Check this video at 1:34. I was actually shocked that he's made such a sudden turn like this. He puts about a cup of sugar on refined breakfast cereal.
[www.youtube.com]

What's going on? Fre*lee mentions she hasn't been a raw vegan all the time she said she was and talks about her occasional meat binges, the Rider and his girl starts eating cooked food again including packet foods, and now he consumes a cup of sugar on his cereal saying it is good.

I suppose many on his site will follow suit because they are used to following gurus, but what's going on with those two. Do his followers still see him as the expert, or are they waking up?

And now l read his recent blood tests aren't so good. And now Doug says that eating cooked food is o.k.

My mind is boggled. The raw vegans are as crazy as anyone else in the world lol.

We have to apply simple common sense when it comes to raw food. After years of eating cooked foods, very few can jump to being 100 percent raw.
Incorporating more raw food in the diet should be the goal.

powerlifter Wrote:
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>
> The whole youtube guru thing is a joke, i dont
> know if hes taken the video down but Dan McDonalds
> recent video about how he's celebrating 13 years
> raw is the most laughable considering ive watched
> numerous of his videos where he talks about
> binging on cooked food for whatever reason.

I really like Dan, but what a joke. Many raw vegan promoters are delusional and full of ego. It just shows you that raw foods don't bring on spiritual enlightenment for many people.


>
> The level of dishonesty about something as simple
> as diet is sickening to me. We have promoters who
> consider themselves 100% raw vegans but eat cooked
> food. The biggest oxymoron of all time i guess.

Why don't they just come out and say they are high raw instead, nothing wrong with that. It's ego and it's really off putting, and makes you want to keep well away from these folks.




>
> Moral of the raw food movement - "Believe none of
> what you hear, and only half of what you see."
Very true. The raw food people aren't much different to the cooked food people lol. Ego, lies, delusion and the potential for savage attacks.

No need to attack people, just point out their weak arguments, contradictions and call them out so all the cards are on the table. Trying to be realistic and see the truth is very important, but not many people like reality, and until they see the light and get real, there is only so far they will advance.

Many may meditate, fast and eat raw foods, but they have hit a block because they aren't in reality (raw delusion, ego). We aren't that special, we are just people finding our way. There is no need to make a big deal of being raw, it's just food. So you may eat lots of fruit each day, so what???

You've got to keep grounded and in reality, otherwise you are finished. The ego is hard to conquer, and it is like poison to the soul because it puts us under the spell of illusion. Ilusion is a false reality which is a lie which is a curse, and if you live under this curse your enlightenment can only go so far.