[www.youtube.com]

I just started watching this and when I got to the 14 minute mark, he started to show a 5 minute clip of what goes on in slaughter houses and I've seen enough of these to NEVER want to see another and I don't need to see another, although, if you consume Animal Products, it's a MUST SEE.

Anyway, it's time for a break so I can walk my dog, but I'm looking forward to coming back to watch the rest of this minus those 5 minutes.

Peace and Love..........John

It's one of the best pro-vegan videos. l have seen it before. Yes, meat eaters need to see the animal cruelty to hopefully wake some of them up.

not sure i want to watch a slaughterhouse video
if i have any food in my stomach
ugggghh...
can't even handle the sight/smell of meat at supermarkets LOL
won't be watching this

la_veronique Wrote:
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> not sure i want to watch a slaughterhouse video
> if i have any food in my stomach
> ugggghh...
> can't even handle the sight/smell of meat at
> supermarkets LOL
> won't be watching this

There is only a few minutes of the rough stuff. Starts at about 14 mins in.

sproutman

<<There is only a few minutes of the rough stuff. Starts at about 14 mins in.>>

no thank you man
the synopsis says it all
plus its preaching to the choir

There are also cruelty images towards the end.

Make sure to also watch the Q & A part which is also on youtube but in a different video.

I watched the whole video. My heart went to all the animals being abused and slaughtered. It reminded me once again why I'm vegan before being a raw vegan. I think being a vegan is far more important than turning into a raw vegan when talking about animal slaughter. Going vegan is by far the first and most important step, crucial even.

I feel guilty once more for being a part of this slaughter for nearly 34 years of my life. I wish I was born vegan, but hey that's impossible (or maybe not). I don't blame my parents for raising me an omnivore, but I do blame myself for not going vegan sooner.

I didn't think about not wearing wool/silk or not using pillows made of down - though now I'm using synthetic wool, no down pillows and I must check if I have any silk / animal wool articles. I will no longer use any of these, including the remaining leather articles I still have. I'm sure everyone around me will be like "what? now no wool or silk either?" but I must do this too if I want to contribute at least a little to minimising the slaughter.

Thank you so much John for bringing this video into perspective, it is a truly amazing presentation. Apart from the violence and the sadness and the cruel reality brought by the video, it also has some fun parts - Gary has a special way of sharing knowledge and he also makes it fun to follow by the way he speaks and chooses his words. He was definitely born to defend animals' rights. There were many things I didn't know, like about the honey and the cows' milk and all other very true facts.
I also didn't think about having vegan pets, this is a very important and real issue to discuss.

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ela 2013

<<I also didn't think about having vegan pets, this is a very important and real issue to discuss. >>

vegan pets? huh?

sorry diidn't watch the vid

but maybe PETA will go after other animals next and exhort them to eat carrots grass and apples like their equine and bovine brothers and sisters

Yeah, Gary said that his dog was vegan for the last 9 years of his life and when he took him to the vets for check-up, the vets said that he has the healthiest dog they have ever seen.

Gary also mentioned that the pet food is terrible for their health, all kinds of left-overs mixed into the pretty packages.

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ela

i would imagine if dogs ate their meat raw ( like all their other carnivorous brethen)
they would be a lot healthier

I wonder why and who came up with the idea of having pets, considering that most of them live in appartments and don't have total freedom.

In the country I live in, people get pets then just abandon them when they don't have the time or the desire to take care of them. Here there are plenty of stray dogs and cats and now there is a law that allows them to be killed unless someone is willing to take care of them. This is not good.

Gary said at some point that there shouldn't even exist such thing as "pets". I'm thinking that in most cases they are just toys for humans, especially for kids, but when it comes to taking them to the vet and paying their health bills, the owners feel they are forced to pay too much for "just a pet".

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Ela2013 Wrote:
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> I wonder why and who came up with the idea of
> having pets, considering that most of them live in
> appartments and don't have total freedom.
>
> In the country I live in, people get pets then
> just abandon them when they don't have the time or
> the desire to take care of them. Here there are
> plenty of stray dogs and cats and now there is a
> law that allows them to be killed unless someone
> is willing to take care of them. This is not good.
>
>
> Gary said at some point that there shouldn't even
> exist such thing as "pets". I'm thinking that in
> most cases they are just toys for humans,
> especially for kids, but when it comes to taking
> them to the vet and paying their health bills, the
> owners feel they are forced to pay too much for
> "just a pet".
>
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Well I look at it like this, many dogs/cats are going to be killed or abused, forced to live in cages, fed toxic food, etc. if they aren't adopted. And with the way the environment is today, if dogs/cats were just roaming freely everywhere, they would likely starve to death, end up getting hit by a car, or get sick from drinking polluted water/harsh temperatures/eating garbage and human litter. If you adopt a pet, you give it a loving home (hopefully) and companion for life. Having a pet has also been linked to increased longevity.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Exactly, many people do take very good care of
> there pets and provide not only consistent food
> but better enviroment and longevity. Whats the
> alternative here ? that these animals are put down
> or die living astray in order to appease the vegan
> label.
>
> I also don't agree with vegans forcing there diets
> onto carnivorous pets, when many of these animals
> need certain animal-based nutrients in order to
> remain healthy. Cats for example will go blind
> without taurine in there diet and deficiency can
> also cause heart failure.
>


[www.care2.com]



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> -----
> >
> [www.care2.com]
>
> > ves-to-189-years.html
>
> One anecodotal account that we don't even know if
> is verifiably true is meant to contradict that
> these animals are naturally carnivorous and the
> wealth of veternarian science that shows
> deficiency in various nutrients such as taurine
> can cause these issues.
>


[www.veganhealth.org]

"Dogs can be healthy and in fact, thrive on a vegetarian or vegan diet, as long as all necessary nutrient requirements are met. Dogs are biologically omnivorous, but can adapt well to a plant-based diet which meets all their nutritional needs. It's important that the food be digested easily as well as have good palatability. The transition to a plant-based diet should be a gradual change (mixing the 2 foods in different proportions until the new food is given exclusively) to minimize the occurrence of gastrointestinal disturbances (such as diarrhea and sometimes vomiting)."

[www.petmd.com]

"Being a lacto-ovo vegetarian does not present many nutritional challenges for people or for dogs. In fact, eggs have the highest biological value of all the protein sources commonly used in pet foods. The biological value of a protein measures its ability to supply the individual amino acids that an animal needs. Eggs are an excellent source of protein for dogs. Even veganism — consuming a diet that does not include any animal products — though a little trickier, is possible for dogs. The right balance of different plant-based sources of protein (e.g., beans, corn, soy and whole grains) can still provide the needed amino acids."

Does it take more research and work to make the diet work? Of course, but when done properly, their lifespan seems to be significantly increased.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> "Lacto-ovo vegetarian doesn't present many
> nutritional challenges" How about just feeding
> your pet or animal its correct biological diet,
> instead of forcing your dogma onto them. If
> lacto-ovo vegetarian diet presents issues for
> these animals then strict veganism poses even more
> issues as always. A strict plant based diet would
> likely not end well for these naturally
> carnivorous animals.
>
> A vegetarian diet can provide taurine, vitamin B12
> and such so thats not the question here. What i
> said was that forcing a vegan diet on pets i
> didn't agree with.
>
> Its one thing to expirement with all these new age
> diets yourself but there is no point in having
> pets at all if you aren't going to feed them there
> preferred healthy diet.
>
> How do they meet the needs of nutrients such as
> taurine ?, as usual the links suggest adding
> synthetic supplements. These junk supplements are
> not the biologically correct foods these animals
> need to remain healthy.
>
> The fact that nutrients like taurine are
> considered essential nutrients for these animals
> shows that veganism is not the correct diet there
> meant to be eating. They are naturally
> carnivorous. These animals shouldn't need to
> develop cardiomyopathy due to taurine deficiency
> if they were just being fed the correct diet for
> them.
>


Dogs can produce their own taurine from other amino acids. And besides, why would supplementing with an organic, high-quality source of something be a negative thing? It's the same concept with humans... if dogs can be significantly healthier on a vegan diet with one or two high-quality supplements mixed in, why not do it? As I've said before, I'd rather get my B12 from a soil-based supplements than eating animal products and it's certainly healthier to do so. If man-kind didn't destroy the quality of soil over the past 5, 6, 7 generations, this isn't even needed. Another reason is our shrinking the appendix (where B12 was produced) which I think is due to eating much more meat than in the past and because we didn't need to continuously produce B12 ourselves anymore since we got it from meat, the appendix had less and less use.

For cats, I don't know.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Strict vegan diets don't provide good amounts of
> these pre-cursor amino acids for taurine, which is
> also why taurine is a common deficiency in humans
> following a vegan diet.
>
> Theres no proof to suggest that a strict vegan
> diet is healthy for these naturally carnivorous
> animals so not only is it un-proven, its not the
> correct biological diet that they need to remain
> healthy in the short term.
>
> Where does it stop also, you'll need b12
> supplements, taurine, carnitine and many other
> nutrients to patch over the potential
> deficiencies. Or you could just feed them the diet
> there meant to eat of course.
>


Well, there is proof considering many dogs have lived very long and healthy lives on vegan diets. That's more evidence than any scientific study could suggest.



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PL, look up this word if you will-- Their.

anon101 Wrote:
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> PL, look up this word if you will-- Their.

Lol will do.

Doesn't detract from anything i said though.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > Well, there is proof considering many dogs have
> > lived very long and healthy lives on vegan
> diets.
> > That's more evidence than any scientific study
> > could suggest.
>
> Your putting your belief that these animals aren't
> naturally carnivorous, due to one or two anecdotal
> accounts from random websites, which just happen
> to be from vegans ?
>
> Each to there own i guess. Sounds like every
> hardcore vegan believers wet dream to have a
> carnivorous pet that suddenly loves there vegan
> diet as much as they do and makes them perform
> superhuman feats of longevity. Its likely that
> these animals would die from the complications of
> taurine deficiency induced cardiomyopathy long
> before they could get to any stage of longevity,
> being that these nutrients are essential for these
> animals.
>


You can supplement with whatever they may be missing. Many high quality supplements out there exist that you can just mix in with their food. If they can thrive on a vegan diet w/ supplements and live longer than a carnivorous diet without supplements... what's the issue?



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> You can supplement with whatever they may be
> missing. Many high quality supplements out there
> exist that you can just mix in with their food. If
> they can thrive on a vegan diet w/ supplements and
> live longer than a carnivorous diet without
> supplements... what's the issue?

Like i said other than a couple of random anecdotal accounts, theres no scientific proof to suggest vegan diets help these animals live longer.

Not only is it expensive and un-necessary all these supplements, it might not be enough to paper over the cracks and its not the diet these animals are biologically required to eat once again.

You wouldn't put diesel in a petrol car would you ?.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You can supplement with whatever they may be
> > missing. Many high quality supplements out
> there
> > exist that you can just mix in with their food.
> If
> > they can thrive on a vegan diet w/ supplements
> and
> > live longer than a carnivorous diet without
> > supplements... what's the issue?
>
> Like i said other than a couple of random
> anecdotal accounts, theres no scientific proof to
> suggest vegan diets help these animals live
> longer.
>
> Not only is it expensive and un-necessary all
> these supplements, it might not be enough to paper
> over the cracks and its not the diet these animals
> are biologically required to eat once again.
>
> You wouldn't put diesel in a petrol car would you
> ?.


Money isn't the issue, the point is that the vegan diet + proper high-quality supplementation CAN work for dogs. There are more than just one or two accounts: [thevegantruth.blogspot.com]

I would agree that a vegan diet based on dry processed food probably wont make them live much longer, including the higher quality brands. I would bet though that if you take the time to make rice or quinoa with vegetables for them and give them proper supplementation, that's what the key difference is. Not just vegan dry food, but giving them fresh, organic food.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Its anecodotal can you not see this ? Anyone can
> make a site with a picture of a dog claiming its
> vegan or breatharian and lives to 400.
>
> Its not scientific evidence or proof that a vegan
> diet is healthy for these animals.
>


How many scientific studies have been done on dogs eating fresh, organic food with proper supplementation? None. Therefore, using that as a reason to discredit it isn't logical nor does it mean anything.



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Its a big difference away from suggesting that carnivorous animals should adopt a completely different diet than there biologically meant to.

Here is how easy it is to make an anecdotal testimonial that something works - [thebreathariandog.blogspot.co.uk]

Anecodotal accounts mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, we know from science that these animals are carnivores.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Its a big difference away from suggesting that
> carnivorous animals should adopt a completely
> different diet than there biologically meant too.
>
> Here is how easy it is to make an anecdotal
> testimonial that something works -
> [thebreathariandog.blogspot.co.uk]
> is-is-my-breatharian-dog-albert.html
>
> Anecodotal accounts mean nothing, we know from
> science that these animals are carnivores.


They're biologically omnivorous, so it's not a completely different diet than they're meant to. And with proper supplementation, there wouldn't be any nutritional issues.

Jtprindl - yes, it would be ideal that all pet owners treat their pets with love and respect. Unfortunately this isn't so and there are already so many stray cats and dogs that will obviously need to be put to sleep at some point.

Regarding pets' diet, my grandmother's dog just loves polenta with cheese/yoghurt, corn flakes with milk, homemade chicken and veggie soup, and also fruits (and, of course, his usual pet crunchy food and vitamin bone-shaped biscuits).

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.

The reality if that pure veganism is not observable in nature.
All forms of life feed on other form of life.
That is why supplementing is an endless problem with pure veganism.

Ela2013 Wrote:
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> Regarding pets' diet, my grandmother's dog just
> loves polenta with cheese/yoghurt, corn flakes
> with milk, homemade chicken and veggie soup, and
> also fruits (and, of course, his usual pet crunchy
> food and vitamin bone-shaped biscuits).


Dogs will eat anything. Cats have discriminating taste.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> The reality if that pure veganism is not
> observable in nature.
> All forms of life feed on other form of life.
> That is why supplementing is an endless problem
> with pure veganism.


If it was an endless problem there wouldn't be so many people thriving on a raw vegan diet. It's certainly a bit of a challenge though.

i feel sorry for any species that was bred to be domestically dependent on another species
its just sad regardless of how well they are treated
better to be independent of another species or at least have a choice
they don't have a choice due to their genetic breeding ( at least that is what is said)

Lions feed on zebras.
Zebras feed on leaves and insects.
Galaxies feeds on solar systems
Black holes feed on galaxies...
That is life...

and what do wormholes feed on?