fresh Wrote:
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> thanks for the seaweed info.
> Now if you have some info that shows that the body
> can not handle it on its own WITHOUT seaweed, let
> me know.
>
>
> I don't know what purpose your delusional rant on
> addiction serves,
> other than maybe envy? does that make you feel
> better about yourself
> and your choices? I don't have a problem with
> your choices, why
> do you feel a pathetic need to project your
> nonsense?
>
> all I can say is that you
> must REALLY MISS FRUIT, you know, like when you
> were FEELING REALLY GOOD
> and you quit your diet because of some
> prediabetic diagnosis
> even while you are unwilling to actually share any
> data about that diagnosis.
>
> you seriously need to continue ranting like that?
>
> you're no different than jtprindl.
>
> it's like You're all Brian clement zombies !
> FRUIT - BAD, FRUIT - BAD, ZZZZZZZ.....how boring

Wow. I was hoping you were finally breaking through and even being sincere but I can see trying to talk to you just makes you rage even worse so lets agree to disagree and have an end to conversing.

>Fruit is not bad... if it's fresh and in moderation.

that's good to hear.

>Your store-bought fruit is NOT fresh.

it's fresh enough where I get it. even wild chimps eat "not perfectly ripe fruit" and I don't hear them dropping from trees dead. you apparently don't know much about how to devote yourself to getting quality fruit. do you know how to pick a good avocado, peach by lifting it up and feeling its density, weight, squeezing it, etc. I can press a nectarine and tell based on the feel smell and weight of it. do you seek out tropical fruit? lychee, longan, thai bananas, sapote, cherimoya. the losses through shipping are not sufficient to derail an intelligent diet and your generalizations about "ripeness" are just that, generalizations.

of course much of the typical store fruit is junk - that's why I am the hunter of fruit in the WILD, in farmers markets, through mail order, etc. you think I buy all my fruit in walmart and whine about fruit quality?


>It was picked unripe and harvested weeks before you got your hands on it. What does this mean? High in tannins and significantly depleted in nutrients and enzymes.

yes we are all aware of the issues surrounding fruit.
we do not live in paradise unless you are in thailand.

what DOES it mean to people to avoid it - forced to eat cooked, forced to juice loads of greens? just as many evil "sugars" in green juices.
you are free to do what you think it best.

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>I don't know why you keep attempting to insult Brian Clement, who knows way more than you will ever know in regards to health and nutrition and also directs an institute that has healed tens of thousands of people from chronic disease and on the brink of death.


I only "insult" zombies and point out illogic of clement.

before you start typing, I have quite a few disagreements with graham.


>What purpose would it serve for Brian Clement to lie about fruit?

he found his niche and must do everything in his power to support that niche.
his views are unscientific and based on false conclusions.
he's pale, overweight in pic below and when I met him.
skin no better than anyone else of his age.

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[www.rawfoodvideos.com]


as I have stated a thousand times - an improvement in health will occur when one engages in health practices that are better than one is currently doing. dude from the A-team long ago had cancer and lived on rice and healed himself. does that mean rice is the miracle diet?

never any science published - where is it?

>Wow. I was hoping you were finally breaking through and even being sincere

sincere you mean, like you stupidly accusing me of being a sugar addict?

yes, why don't you have an intervention, cure me of my ADDICTION!

lord save me, SueZ !

>but I can see trying to talk to you just makes you rage even worse so lets agree to disagree and have an end to conversing.

yes, I'm just RAGING, this keyboard is just on fire and there is smoke coming up out of my head. you're a fool, assuming, assuming, projecting, projecting.

Fresh,John, jtprindl, all,

We are small group of people in world, trying to walk away from main stream by consuming mostly natural food, we need more scientific studies yo back up, it is good to share knowledge and experience on this journey, In my 30 years of experience in the institute , I have seen many people to heal and few to get disease as well (due to over consumption of fruits and raw milk) , we need to strike a balance, how much of reserve of Zinc, B 12 etc.,we have in the muscle tissues and organs helps some to thrive well on HHD but not for many, it is good to observe celibacy when we are on diet of mostly natural food diet (it might be sprouts, greens , ferments, nuts or fruits ), it helps to maintain alkalinity and minerals levels in body, I am not a doctor or scientist , I started this journey when I was 13 , it's my experience that stress level, environmental condition , faith and genes are major factors in influencing an individual to succeed in their diet and life. You may not know whats going on in your body unless you do testing ....I do noticed I had Vitamin B12 deficiency, I accepted it and I was not tired , I took raw milk yogurt (after Dr's suggestion) for few weeks and I am alright now Please do your spectra cell lab test (for vitamins,minerals,anti oxidants,amino acids) , enzymes test and regular harmones test, we cannot defy science they have given enough tolerance limits in lab results, so we should fall under it, period.

"that's why I am the hunter of fruit in the WILD, in farmers markets, through mail order, etc. you think I buy all my fruit in walmart and whine about fruit quality?"

It's no different with farmer's markets and definitely no different with mail order. None of it is fresh. Fresh is picking it right off the tree, or bush, or straight from the ground and immediately consuming.

"he found his niche and must do everything in his power to support that niche.
his views are unscientific and based on false conclusions.
he's pale, overweight in pic below and when I met him.
skin no better than anyone else of his age."

Right, his views are unscientific and based on false conclusions even though the Hippocrates diet has cures tens of thousands of people from chronic disease. More like cognitive dissonance on your end because you seem to think the human body can handle unlimited amounts of sugar. Healthy people don't insult other people all the time, which is what you consistently do. Not only did you insult a host of doctors a few weeks back, but off the top of my head you've done so with myself, SueZ, and powerlifter on a consistent basis.

<<<Not only did you (fresh) insult a host of doctors a few weeks back, but off the top of my head you've done so with myself, SueZ, and powerlifter on a consistent basis.>>>

What a JOKE!!!

You 3 are the WORST offenders on this website!





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What's with all the unattributed quotes from who knows where in this thread?

Sloppy postings.

SueZ Wrote:
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> "FRUCTOSE 2.0"
>
> This is an excellent lecture by
> Neuroendocrinologist Dr. Robert Lustig.
>
> [www.youtube.com]


Did anybody watch this fabulous lecture by the most articulate Dr. Lustig?

Just like in the SAD world those who cannot take time to prepare a good meal feed on fast food, so too in the raw food world, those who cannot make time feed on superfood.
It takes effort, time, and work to eat raw, fresh, and nourishing food.
But eating is on of the most important activities of our lives.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Just like in the SAD world those who cannot take
> time to prepare a good meal feed on fast food, so
> too in the raw food world, those who cannot make
> time feed on superfood.

This is just plain silly. It takes almost no time at all to peel a banana and pit a date after all.

That super foods are concentrated nutrition in no way means they affect the time it takes to prepare or eat raw vegan meals or that those meals using them are inferior.

fresh wrote…

<<<of course much of the typical store fruit is junk - that's why I am the hunter of fruit in the WILD, in farmers markets, through mail order, etc. you think I buy all my fruit in walmart and whine about fruit quality?>>>

RawPracticalist wrote…

<<<Just like in the SAD world those who cannot take time to prepare a good meal feed on fast food, so too in the raw food world, those who cannot make time feed on superfood.>>>

SueZ wrote..

<<<This is just plain silly.>>>

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Their Strategy is as follows:

They Poison the Environment in a variety of ways so that everyone Feels Irritable, Edgy and Unable to perform their jobs.
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>It's no different with farmer's markets and definitely no different with mail >order. None of it is fresh. Fresh is picking it right off the tree, or bush, or straight from the ground and immediately consuming.


nutrients do not degrade as much as you think for the foods i am eating.


>Fresh is picking it right off the tree, or bush, or straight from the ground and immediately consuming.


yes and that is what I do for some of my food. that is what I SAID.
some wild, and some in farmers markets. etc.

not enough for you though.. even though i am thriving.



>Right, his views are unscientific and based on false conclusions even though the Hippocrates diet has cures tens of thousands of people from chronic disease.

you don't actually READ other people's posts do you.


> More like cognitive dissonance on your end because you seem to think the human body can handle unlimited amounts of sugar.

who said unlimited? did I say that, or you just intellectually dishonest?



>Healthy people don't insult other people all the time, which is what you consistently do.

like what you do, but you just don't do it CONSISTENTLY?
lol.


> Not only did you insult a host of doctors a few weeks back, but off the top of my head you've done so with myself, SueZ, and powerlifter on a consistent basis.


did you actually respond to the SUBSTANCE of what I said?
I didn't think so.
you're just more consumed about being insulted than facts.
not insulting you for the most part, just your ideas, unless you're really saying crazy things, then I will ask if you are in an insane asylum.

>>>Did anybody watch this fabulous lecture by the most articulate Dr. Lustig?


i did. did you read the articles that DESTROYED his argument?

"not enough for you though.. even though i am thriving."

Keep telling yourself that

John Rose Wrote:
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The above post which isn't worth repeating.




Until I ran into your wildeyed holocaust denier/Hitler sympathizer self I would never have thought there was such a talentless droning boor on the planet. If you've been at this multi - font drone-on-athon long no wonder so many people think raw vegans are insane. Who could blame them? The paranoid way you talk is not even close to normal or sane outside of your bunker filled with moldy old files you've kept on everyone in the world who's at fault for you being a total loser.



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One way to stay healthy is to say nice things about others

>Keep telling yourself that

jtprindl responds with more facts and substance.
well done.


>wildeyed holocaust denier/Hitler sympathizer self

define denier. I don't know what JR has said on that off topic issue, but
it's quite clear there have been many lies and exaggerations told regarding that particular event. that does not DENY that it occurred, only the lies and victim perpetuation propaganda.

fresh Wrote:
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> >Keep telling yourself that
>
> jtprindl responds with more facts and substance.
>
> well done.
>
>
> >wildeyed holocaust denier/Hitler sympathizer self
>
>
> define denier. I don't know what JR has said on
> that off topic issue, but
> it's quite clear there have been many lies and
> exaggerations told regarding that particular
> event. that does not DENY that it occurred, only
> the lies and victim perpetuation propaganda.

BINGO. I suspected you smelled like another one of that paranoid loser holed up in a moldy bunker ilk. You all smell the same.

here's a little play
I will set the scene

suez reads something on the internet
finds it vaguely threatening
interested in any facts?
no
puts hands over ears
puts hands over eyes
puts other people in little boxes

it's a very predictable and boring play.

you believe the official 9/11 story too?

BINGO

Observation by a Jewish sociologist/camp survivor:“...most of the memoirs and reports [of 'Holocaust survivors'] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks...”
—Samuel Gringauz, "Jewish Social Studies" (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.

fresh Wrote:
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> you believe the official 9/11 story too?


Actually, no I do not. No bingo for you.

there's hope for you. just a smidge. open up that door a crack more.

this message transmitted via carrier pigeon from my bunker.

send food. anything but dates! maybe some chaga? hurry!
ack! cough!! too late! damn those russians and their chaga hoarding!!

fresh Wrote:
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> Observation by a Jewish sociologist/camp
> survivor:“...most of the memoirs and reports
> are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic
> exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated
> self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing,
> would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias,
> partisan attacks...”
> —Samuel Gringauz, "Jewish Social Studies" (New
> York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.


Oh brother, here we go again with this third hand misguided foolish drivel of the Jeff Rense posse ilk that Prana requested be kept off the normal people raw vegan forum.

Maybe rose will hold your hand and walk you over to his bat @#$%& crazy thread on the off topic forum since you can't seem to find your way over to his loser club stuff on your own.

you brought it up, Sue.

and I see your factual analysis is somewhat lacking above.

you having fun? some reason you can't stay even close to on-topic?

fresh Wrote:
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> you brought it up, Sue.
>
> and I see your factual analysis is somewhat
> lacking above.
>
> you having fun? some reason you can't stay even
> close to on-topic?


I brought it up to help you find your bunker buddy kin in the bat @#$%& crazy area which you say you are unfamiliar with but where you obviously belong.

SueZ wrote:

<<<Prana requested be kept off the normal people raw vegan forum.>>>

fresh wrote:

<<<you brought it up, Sue.>>>

SueZ has been trying to bait me with this one for a long time because she is an Interent Shill!!!

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I Was a Paid Internet Shill: How Shadowy Groups Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate

“We work on influencing people’s opinions here,”

My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis?"

Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

…

But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

Yours,

ExShill
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I really wished I lived in a climate where one could pick their fruits right off the trees.

When I was in Jamaica, the locals would tell us of the mangos and other fruits that were so plentiful that most would drop on the ground and rot. Such a waste.

janetc Wrote:
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> I really wished I lived in a climate where one
> could pick their fruits right off the trees.
>
> When I was in Jamaica, the locals would tell us of
> the mangos and other fruits that were so plentiful
> that most would drop on the ground and rot. Such
> a waste.


Yeah, the rats get a lot of them.

What I do for bumper crops in my yard is to dehydrate them and package them for longer term use. It even works for weeds like dandelions which are expensive to buy in the winter but I get loads of for free year round. If you keep the dehydration temp on things like herbs to 95F they taste way better than any you can buy dried.

Once you have a good dehydrator you never have to worry about fruits and vegetables you buy going bad either. Just dehydrate them for use later. You can either use them whole or powder them to hide things like kale, that most kids don't like too much, into food unnoticed.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> janetc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really wished I lived in a climate where one
> > could pick their fruits right off the trees.
> >
> > When I was in Jamaica, the locals would tell us
> of
> > the mangos and other fruits that were so
> plentiful
> > that most would drop on the ground and rot.
> Such
> > a waste.
>
>
> Yeah, the rats get a lot of them.
>
> What I do for bumper crops in my yard is to
> dehydrate them and package them for longer term
> use. It even works for weeds like dandelions which
> are expensive to buy in the winter but I get loads
> of for free year round. If you keep the
> dehydration temp on things like herbs to 95F they
> taste way better than any you can buy dried.
>
> Once you have a good dehydrator you never have
> to worry about fruits and vegetables you buy going
> bad either. Just dehydrate them for use later. You
> can either use them whole or powder them to hide
> things like kale, that most kids don't like too
> much, into food unnoticed.

I really need to start dehydrating again. I've got an Excalibur and I need to get back into the habit of weekend dehydrating. I lovey dehydrated kale and mangoes - I need to expand my palette, that's for sure.

My dream is to retire to a Caribbean island -sigh.

janetc Wrote:
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>
> My dream is to retire to a Caribbean island -sigh.

Yea, I'd choose St.Thomas but I doubt I could afford it so I haven't even looked around there yet. My plan is to move to a less expensive area in South America in a couple of years. Sooner if Fukushima blows again.