[nutritionfacts.org]

"Epidemiological evidence that kim chi consumption may significantly increase cancer risk."

Sources Cited

H. Yu, J. Y. Hwang, J. Ro, J. Kim, and N. Chang. Vegetables, but not pickled vegetables, are negatively associated with the risk of breast cancer. Nutr Cancer, 62(4):443{453, 2010.

L. Jian, D. H. Zhang, A. H. Lee, and C. W. Binns. Do preserved foods increase prostate cancer risk? Br. J. Cancer, 90(9):1792{1795, 2004.

Riiight. What bee ess. And anyway, it makes no sense. Kimchi IS pickled.

Store bought kimchi is going to have MSG, sugar, preservatives, and lots of salt. I make my own, with organic ingredients, and no salt or chemicals or sugar. I use Effective Microorganisms (also known as Syntropic Antioxidative Microbes), a probiotic, as a culture to encourage the beneficial bacteria to thrive, and the main food to activate the culture is cabbage juice.

Dr. Mercola's video...

[www.youtube.com]

There are no fermented foods at all on the Conductivity diet. Tavis says they do not create a scenario where you are enhancing your conductivity and electricity. They bring it down.

He says that when the body is lacking a full spectrum of trace minerals, aminos, living omegas, and especially selenium, magnesium, zinc, and silica - when these things are absent, and the body is going into the 'red zone' of being depreciated in these areas, your body calls for fermented foods because they have a predigested broken down form. They are at a different stage and so the body is seeking to grab those missing minerals and lacking components in fermented foods.

He says it feels to you like that is where the answer is. The body itself knows that it is lacking on a core level all these other essential things but when it has that reaction we engage with that reaction and we participate in a way that is not out of peace and understanding and so we follow the prompting and it's not always what the body really needs because we don't really know our bodies very well oftentimes. We haven't studied, we haven't been taught what are the signs for these things.

Oftentimes people don't have the full range of ingredients. Oftentimes it's as simple as people not having enough electricity in their diet - whether you're on a raw food or a cooked food diet you're not generating enough electricity in your diet and on a cooked food diet you really can't generate the amount of electricity that you need to take yourself to a place where you're really sound or whole.

So that is why that is taking place.


He goes on to talk about cravings for fermented foods and imbalances that lead to them and how parasites absolutely love fermented foods and the importance of regaining control of your ship. All very interesting stuff but it's late and I'm tired of typing for now.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> There are no fermented foods at all on the
> Conductivity diet. Tavis says they do not create a
> scenario where you are enhancing your conductivity
> and electricity. They bring it down.
>
Totally contrary to my personal experience.
Why would an enhanced absorption of nutrients bring you down.
Should no more oils in the diet be more problematic than the addition of fermented foods?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2014 06:41PM by RawPracticalist.

SueZ Wrote:
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> There are no fermented foods at all on the
> Conductivity diet. Tavis says they do not create a
> scenario where you are enhancing your conductivity
> and electricity. They bring it down.
>
> He says that when the body is lacking a full
> spectrum of trace minerals, aminos, living omegas,
> and especially selenium, magnesium, zinc, and
> silica - when these things are absent, and the
> body is going into the 'red zone' of being
> depreciated in these areas, your body calls for
> fermented foods because they have a predigested
> broken down form. They are at a different stage
> and so the body is seeking to grab those missing
> minerals and lacking components in fermented
> foods.
>
> He says it feels to you like that is where the
> answer is. The body itself knows that it is
> lacking on a core level all these other essential
> things but when it has that reaction we engage
> with that reaction and we participate in a way
> that is not out of peace and understanding and so
> we follow the prompting and it's not always what
> the body really needs because we don't really know
> our bodies very well oftentimes. We haven't
> studied, we haven't been taught what are the signs
> for these things.
>
> Oftentimes people don't have the full range of
> ingredients. Oftentimes it's as simple as people
> not having enough electricity in their diet -
> whether you're on a raw food or a cooked food diet
> you're not generating enough electricity in your
> diet and on a cooked food diet you really can't
> generate the amount of electricity that you need
> to take yourself to a place where you're really
> sound or whole.
>
> So that is why that is taking place.
>
>
> He goes on to talk about cravings for fermented
> foods and imbalances that lead to them and how
> parasites absolutely love fermented foods and the
> importance of regaining control of your ship. All
> very interesting stuff but it's late and I'm tired
> of typing for now.

Sorry I'm slow to getting back to this but it turned out to be a bigger job than I thought it would be so I've broken it down into three parts. What follows is part 2. It's choppy in places but I hope readers can work around that and that it answers some ?'s.


Cravings for Kombucha, alcohol, things like this, there is oftentimes within your body what proceeds the craving itself. When someone takes their first drink it's not really the drink but the yeast and moisture imbalance within the pancreas and the sugar distribution in the body so you have something going on already with the improper breaking down of starches, sugars, and such as this, because of our diet. And so when we take our first alcohols, the Kombuchas, these things (yeast, moisture) like this because it's a direct feeding for them.

The other thing with cravings that is taking place is that you have an organism that is sustaining, and is an environment, that is feeding parasites that are in your body. Parasites absolutely love fermented foods. They love the alcohols, the Kombuchas - the things like this because it's a direct feeding for them. It's perfect for them. It's exactly what they want - fermented sugar pure yeast and that is a heyday for certain types of parasites.

So you have to ask yourself. When you are at a point where you are craving fermented foods and beverages that addictive type things are running through your blood, brain, and nerves and you get on edge when you haven't had your daily Kombuchu that is happening because you have a root problem. That is a very demineralized and unbalanced system in a very big way. You don't have a proper balance of zinc, magnesium, silica, selenium - all of these amazing components that hold you together and make you in balance and create equilibrium so you don't have cravings. So you are actually in control of your body. You need to regain your ship and be the captain.

Fermented foods are not recommended in the Conductivity Diet and they do not create a scenario where you are enhancing your conductivity and electricity. They actually bring it down and lessens the conductivity and electricity in your blood and within your system in general.

Tavis says he knows a lot of cultures prize fermented foods and they attribute their health, etc., on them. Tavis says he is not going to discount that that because that is not what he's here for. He's here to share his experiences and insights.

SueZ
Tavis said...
Tavis said...
What we are more interested in is WHY Tavis said these things.
Is he preaching a gospel?
Why do fermented foods reduce conductivity?
Why and why?

SueZ Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are no fermented foods at all on the
> > Conductivity diet. Tavis says they do not create
> a
> > scenario where you are enhancing your
> conductivity
> > and electricity. They bring it down.
> >
> > He says that when the body is lacking a full
> > spectrum of trace minerals, aminos, living
> omegas,
> > and especially selenium, magnesium, zinc, and
> > silica - when these things are absent, and the
> > body is going into the 'red zone' of being
> > depreciated in these areas, your body calls for
> > fermented foods because they have a predigested
> > broken down form. They are at a different stage
> > and so the body is seeking to grab those
> missing
> > minerals and lacking components in fermented
> > foods.
> >
> > He says it feels to you like that is where
> the
> > answer is. The body itself knows that it is
> > lacking on a core level all these other
> essential
> > things but when it has that reaction we engage
> > with that reaction and we participate in a way
> > that is not out of peace and understanding and
> so
> > we follow the prompting and it's not always
> what
> > the body really needs because we don't really
> know
> > our bodies very well oftentimes. We haven't
> > studied, we haven't been taught what are the
> signs
> > for these things.
> >
> > Oftentimes people don't have the full range
> of
> > ingredients. Oftentimes it's as simple as
> people
> > not having enough electricity in their diet -
> > whether you're on a raw food or a cooked food
> diet
> > you're not generating enough electricity in
> your
> > diet and on a cooked food diet you really can't
> > generate the amount of electricity that you
> need
> > to take yourself to a place where you're really
> > sound or whole.
> >
> > So that is why that is taking place.
> >
> >
> > He goes on to talk about cravings for
> fermented
> > foods and imbalances that lead to them and how
> > parasites absolutely love fermented foods and
> the
> > importance of regaining control of your ship.
> All
> > very interesting stuff but it's late and I'm
> tired
> > of typing for now.
>
> Sorry I'm slow to getting back to this but it
> turned out to be a bigger job than I thought it
> would be so I've broken it down into three parts.
> What follows is part 2. It's choppy in places but
> I hope readers can work around that and that it
> answers some ?'s.
>
>
> Cravings for Kombucha, alcohol, things like
> this, there is oftentimes within your body what
> proceeds the craving itself. When someone takes
> their first drink it's not really the drink but
> the yeast and moisture imbalance within the
> pancreas and the sugar distribution in the body so
> you have something going on already with the
> improper breaking down of starches, sugars, and
> such as this, because of our diet. And so when we
> take our first alcohols, the Kombuchas, these
> things (yeast, moisture) like this because it's a
> direct feeding for them.
>
> The other thing with cravings that is taking
> place is that you have an organism that is
> sustaining, and is an environment, that is feeding
> parasites that are in your body. Parasites
> absolutely love fermented foods. They love the
> alcohols, the Kombuchas - the things like this
> because it's a direct feeding for them. It's
> perfect for them. It's exactly what they want -
> fermented sugar pure yeast and that is a heyday
> for certain types of parasites.
>
> So you have to ask yourself. When you are at a
> point where you are craving fermented foods and
> beverages that addictive type things are running
> through your blood, brain, and nerves and you get
> on edge when you haven't had your daily Kombuchu
> that is happening because you have a root problem.
> That is a very demineralized and unbalanced system
> in a very big way. You don't have a proper balance
> of zinc, magnesium, silica, selenium - all of
> these amazing components that hold you together
> and make you in balance and create equilibrium so
> you don't have cravings. So you are actually in
> control of your body. You need to regain your ship
> and be the captain.
>
> Fermented foods are not recommended in the
> Conductivity Diet and they do not create a
> scenario where you are enhancing your conductivity
> and electricity. They actually bring it down and
> lessens the conductivity and electricity in your
> blood and within your system in general.
>
> Tavis says he knows a lot of cultures prize
> fermented foods and they attribute their health,
> etc., on them. Tavis says he is not going to
> discount that that because that is not what he's
> here for. He's here to share his experiences and
> insights.

OK, here's the third part but I've got to break it off for now. I hope this answers some more of your ?'s



Tavis says that from his experience, study, etc., one of the main things that generates, that creates the environment within your system, for health, vitality, youthfulness, and overall, over everything, (is) electricity. That would be the absence of fermentation and the presence of simplicity and clarity within your bloodstream and within your colon. So for him you do not want any fermentation within your body. You don't want anything breaking down and digesting within your colon you - want it to be working in a way that it's efficient. So you want your fire through your digestive system to be amped up and electricity creates that scenario. So everything's breaking down in a way that food later on is not catching up with food that has not been broken down yet in your system because you are running cool and you don't have the fire and your digestive juices are not amped up like they should be and you are not generating efficient digest juices and power. So fermented food are not suggested or recommended on the Conductivity Diet protocol and approach because we are going for clarity. We are going for cleanliness and purity so there is no obstruction in the way of fermentation that gets in the way of electricity that you generate within your system. This is what is happening.

And the other thing he wants to touch on when it comes to fermenting foods in general, and fermented drinks especially, (alcohol), those cravings that you get for fermented foods oftentimes you'll hear of someone who's been on a raw food diet for maybe a year, 2 years, 3 years, 10 years and they come to a point where they all of a sudden have this monster craving to consume large amounts of sauerkraut, other fermented foods, whatever their choice - whatever they are called to, whatever that might be. There's a few reasons that is taking place...

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> SueZ
> Tavis said...
> Tavis said...
> What we are more interested in is WHY Tavis said
> these things.
> Is he preaching a gospel?
> Why do fermented foods reduce conductivity?
> Why and why?

I guess you had trouble waiting for the next part before commenting. I've now posted the whys so you can read them. It took me a long time to type it in hunt and peck mode. He wasn't preaching a gospel he was answering questions of his subscribers on fermented foods. It was from a video that I thought I'd share. Maybe I shouldn't have. I guess I'll have to wait and see if anybody who reads it gets something new out of it.



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many 'shamans' are the intermediaries between people and the super natural world (the magic world). This only works on close cultures where knowledge is limited or controlled. An 'internet shaman' for food would probably never work. But he/she may get a big circle depending on many things. Many high fat diets have had successful starts. After the honey moon ends, bad info appears that brings down the show. A good book to read about several diets starts and ends is "carbophobia"

[www.amazon.com]

[www.youtube.com]



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Panchito Wrote:
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> many 'shamans' are the intermediaries between
> people and the super natural world (the magic
> world). This only works on close cultures where
> knowledge is limited or controlled. An 'internet
> shaman' for food would probably never work. But
> he/she may get a big circle depending on many
> things. Many high fat diets have had successful
> starts. After the honey moon ends, bad info
> appears that brings down the show. A good book to
> read about several diets starts and ends is
> "carbophobia"
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> icas-Low-Carb/dp/1590560868
>
> [www.youtube.com]
> Men%20Who%20Made%20Us%20Thin%20&sm=3


There you go again, lol. Broken record.

So panchito what do you think of these studies you've posted? Do you think they are valid and that kimchi causes cancer?

pickled food (vinegar) has been linked to esophagus cancer. Don't know about fermented. My guess is that a little does not hurt.

Panchito Wrote:
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> pickled food (vinegar) has been linked to
> esophagus cancer. Don't know about fermented. My
> guess is that a little does not hurt.


Well I think there could be something to the link between fermented food and cancer, too. But as Tavis says you have to take things in context. Maybe the people in the study had underlying mineral deficiencies and ate kimchi because their bodies could no longer break down their foods and craved a more accessible way to get the necessary nutrients for which fermented foods would fit that bill. This makes sense to me. This would also make it less likely that the kimchi itself was responsible for causing cancer. I think it would be more likely that mineral deficiencies that slowly lead up to cancerous conditions was also the thing that made people with cancer crave kimchi.

So I agree with you that a little good kimchi probably would be harmless. And the only big problem would be for those who just had to have fermented food every day as in any addiction. People like that would do well to correct their imbalances and deficiencies and seek ways regain the capacity to digest their foods themselves. They probably also need to address their problem of parasites, IMO.



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THeSt0rm Wrote:
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NOwadays IMO it's
> harder because heck there may even be GMO bacteria
> (and nanotechnology?),

Almost all industrial bacteria is GMO and it does not have to be labeled. Most companies that sell products that have used GMO bacteria have no idea that it's in there.

To me the horror of GMOs is going to look like nothing compared to the horrors of what is being done with nanoparticles being used everywhere in everything. You are wise to be on the alert.

the idea of eating a carcinogen (known or unknown) is what science would look for. carcinogens change the DNA in a bad way to produce cancer. That is the main scientifc idea but there are many variables like exposure levels, etc. I believe that cancerous cells happen everyday in peoples bodies but he immune system knocks them out. But once in a while they settle and proliferate if the conditions are right.

For most coming from SAD world with years of nutritional deficiencies, the main issue is digestion and nutrient absorption.
Anything that can help re-establish digestive health is of prime importance.

There is no energy to conduct if you cannot digest the food.
So the idea that fermented foods impair conductivity is total nonsense.

When your digestive system can properly process food, the body will generate the electricity it needs.

So it all depends on where you are coming from. If you are totally healthy, you may not need fermented food.



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CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> If you are totally healthy, you may not need
> fermented food.

Exactly. This has been my experience, too. Once my digestive system healed I not only do not crave or even want fermented food I find even the smell of it terrible. Although I'm very thankful for the Conductivity Diet for that improvement I think that all my pre raw years of eating very highly spiced Indian vegetarian food probably chased off the parasites even though I did make and ate fermented idlis back then.

Getting rid of parasites is extremely important. You can't do it all at once though. You've got to be sneaky.

"food shaman"

heh heh

i like that idea

everyone has an inner "food shaman"

that they can readily tap into