So much contradictions in raw food research.

Now we are told that Doug Graham proclamation that fruit is the Food was wrong.

We are left with sprouts and seaweeds and yet sprouts are not palatable, you cannot blend them in high speed blender with fruits because blending destroys nutrients and fruit has bad fructose.

What to eat?

Well, I don't really care about all the studies and all that...I just follow my intuition and my preferences and I listen to my body.

I am and I will always be eating a 100% raw vegan diet, no matter what. This is what I love, this is what defines me, this is how I feel and nothing is going to change that.

Obviously, everyone has the right to choose for himself and to have his own opinion.

But this is who I am and what makes me happy.

If I start now analyzing what is best and what is not, I find that I can't afford what is best so I do the best I can with what I have access to.

Once you go too deep into something, it is no longer a pleasurable experience, you will soon be too consumed into calculations and percentages and macro/micro nutrients. And you will lose the joy to live.

I'd rather focus on what's most important.

So, yeah, imo, as long as there will be fruits and veggies, I have plenty of food to enjoy

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> Now we are told that Doug Graham proclamation that
> fruit is the Food was wrong.

There must be a typo here.
What is Doug Graham saying and who told us what?

<<<Now we are told that Doug Graham proclamation that fruit is the Food was wrong.>>>

<<<There must be a typo here.>>>

Now we are told that Doug Graham proclamation that "fruit is the Food" was wrong.





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Doug Graham 80/10/10 is a fruitarian diet. [www.incrediblesmoothies.com]

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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>
> We are left with sprouts and seaweeds and yet
> sprouts are not palatable,


Sprouts are only "not palatable" to humans because their taste buds have been corrupted. Eat like the animals in the fields and enjoy the strong tastes and use digestive enzymes/probiotics to take care of the undesirable elements in the foods and you can be like the animals again and keep on the straight and narrow.

Taste buds can adjust if you give it time. Humans are addicted because they are ruled by the brain in the gut (the silly and foolish brain that is ruled by over emotion and addiction), but it's time we used the brain of the mind again.

Raw vegans are just as addicted as SAD eaters. They either love spices, oils, sugary foods, incombined meals etc. They are ruled by the brain of the gut.

We owe it to oursleves to feul the body properly and avoid eating nonsense. And yes, nearly all raw food vegans eat nonsense. And nearly all raw food vegans eat non fresh foods, and to me this is not real food, it is double nonsense and double trouble.

It's only food, and that's why l put it into perspective. Feul up and move on is my idea. If people want to make food their lives and put their emotions into it, that is their choice.

I don't want to be ruled by food. Raw vegans and SAD are ruled by food. I want to focus on other things. I would rather not even be here talking about food and nutrition (I would rather do many other things), but l find it important to share things with people. I don't want to be doing food/nutrition talk forever (only a few years), l want to get back to focussing on things l find far more interesting and important such as spiritual development. I would love to get off the internet right now and never come back, but i've been told by the higher forces l have work to do and share, so l am doing my bit now so l can get out of here.

I need to make sure the legacy of Ann Wigmore lives on, and to improve upon it with more research to make a stronger case, and to expand her message to more people in the hope that her original ideas of sprouting will always live on. Even if people eat meat, l am trying to get the message to add plenty of sprouts to at least one meal per day. It's important we grow our own food again, especially high nutrient sprouts...this is my most important message.

We appreciate your help The Sproutarian Man. Very valuable.

Green juices are the key thing, but so are high oil content sprouted seeds.

Must have good levels of predigested proteins and FRESH high nutrient foods to keep the cravings away in the long term.

Must eat fresh foods, because if you don't you are not eating real food. If you cook your food you are not eating real food, however being raw opens up lots of potential problems.

Most raw vegans do not eat real food. It looks like real food, but it isn't real food. Store bought fruit/veggies and extracted substances (oils/salt) are not real food. Foods should be fresh, and herbs should be fresh for ideal effect. Water based plant foods can be made the exception...chlorella and seaweeds are still powerful foods, and it looks like they may retain their electrical frequency up to two years due to their unique cellular structure according to testing done by Dr Hunt at UCLA in the 1970's - l believe it because the energy properties are still in the packaged seaweeds and chlorella, so l think the very clever Dr Hunt is correct.

The effects of the algaes are very suptle..the effects are more of a long term thing. The effects of the sea weeds are immediate.

thinking your problem
get out of the head and into the body

life vs lifelessness

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> We appreciate your help The Sproutarian Man. Very
> valuable.

I am glad. I do feel my contribution is making an impact. But lets not forget, it is not about me, for those health ideas are NOT mine (that's low level thinking), it is the knowledge that the higher powers have allowed to flow through me. I am just the messenger, NOT the guru. The only thing l contribute on is putting the message in a special packaged way of delivery that is unique to me. All delivery vessels have their unique way of delivering the information (Dr Brian, Dr Ann, Kulvinskas etc)...we are all saying the same thing, but we all say it differently and it resonates with different people so the overall message touches more people.

If you become a guru you are missing the point. We are all delivery vessels, nothing more. We know nothing about the physical illusion we live in because it is a lie, we just access and deliver through spirit. You never look up to the person and see it as their knowledge, for it is not their knowledge.

Dear brothers and sisters...become high quality delivery vessels and package the message well, for that is partly why we are here. Live up to your birth right. We all have a special message to pass on, but we need to rise above the nonsense (mentality seeped in the physical illusions) before we do that.

My experience is a bit different.
I thought green juice was the answer to everything to all the issues I had we digestion. So I was drinking a lot of green juices for about 2 years.
I felt better, was moving my bowel but there were still so issues, some discomfort, some pain.
It was only when I introduced fermented seed yogurt, rejuvelac, and fermented sprouted seeds in conjunction with the juices that things went very well.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> My experience is a bit different.
> I thought green juice was the answer to everything
> to all the issues I had we digestion. So I was
> drinking a lot of green juices for about 2 years.
> I felt better, was moving my bowel but there were
> still so issues, some discomfort, some pain.
> It was only when I introduced fermented seed
> yogurt, rejuvelac, and fermented sprouted seeds in
> conjunction with the juices that things went very
> well.


Do you take probiotics?

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We appreciate your help The Sproutarian Man.
> Very
> > valuable.
>
> I am glad. I do feel my contribution is making an
> impact. But lets not forget, it is not about me,
> for those health ideas are NOT mine (that's low
> level thinking), it is the knowledge that the
> higher powers have allowed to flow through me. I
> am just the messenger, NOT the guru. The only
> thing l contribute on is putting the message in a
> special packaged way of delivery that is unique to
> me. All delivery vessels have their unique way of
> delivering the information (Dr Brian, Dr Ann,
> Kulvinskas etc)...we are all saying the same
> thing, but we all say it differently and it
> resonates with different people so the overall
> message touches more people.
>
> If you become a guru you are missing the point. We
> are all delivery vessels, nothing more. We know
> nothing about the physical illusion we live in
> because it is a lie, we just access and deliver
> through spirit. You never look up to the person
> and see it as their knowledge, for it is not their
> knowledge.
>
> Dear brothers and sisters...become high quality
> delivery vessels and package the message well, for
> that is partly why we are here. Live up to your
> birth right. We all have a special message to pass
> on, but we need to rise above the nonsense
> (mentality seeped in the physical illusions)
> before we do that.


You sure do have a lot of melodramatic swan songs in you.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> My experience is a bit different.
> I thought green juice was the answer to everything
> to all the issues I had we digestion. So I was
> drinking a lot of green juices for about 2 years.
> I felt better, was moving my bowel but there were
> still so issues, some discomfort, some pain.
> It was only when I introduced fermented seed
> yogurt, rejuvelac, and fermented sprouted seeds in
> conjunction with the juices that things went very
> well.

Yes, you may have been loading up with too many anti nutrients from the green juices (that's always a potential problem). It doesn't surprise me that the ferments etc helped. Green juices can be dangerous over the long term if saftey measures are not implemented.



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You are correct, synergy is the key.
Also some of the greens were high oxalates.

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> You sure do have a lot of melodramatic swan
> songs in you.

I just package swan songs through my delivery vessel. They flow through me from the cosmos and l never have to think these up. The cosmos gives us all our songs, and some of them are very very beautiful.

A song can never be created and thought about, a song must flow through you.

Poets and mankind can say many lovely things, but it is not from any greatness on their part, for they are only vessels of this beauty. We give mankind too much credit (we focus on the physical), yet all of mankind has greatness in each and everyone of them we call the spirit, for the spirit is perfection and can tap into the greatness of the cosmos if we break down the distractions and purify our antenna which connects with these frequencies.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You sure do have a lot of melodramatic swan
> > songs in you.
>
> I just package swan songs through my delivery
> vessel. They flow through me from the cosmos and l
> never have to think these up. The cosmos gives us
> all our songs, and some of them are very very
> beautiful.
>
> A song can never be created and thought about, a
> song must flow through you.
>
> Poets and mankind can say many lovely things, but
> it is not from any greatness on their part, for
> they are only vessels of this beauty. We give
> mankind too much credit (we focus on the
> physical), yet all of mankind has greatness in
> each and everyone of them we call the spirit, for
> the spirit is perfection and can tap into the
> greatness of the cosmos if we break down the
> distractions and purify our antenna which connects
> with these frequencies.

Ok, I just looked out the window and figured out where all this odd, out of left field, emotive melodramatics is coming from. Full moon.


Full moon alert, everyone!

commonsenseraw

looks as if the probiotics created from the ferments ameliorated the oxalate effects

( sproutman posted a few articles about this)

do you think that is what happened to create vast improvements?

would u be willing to describe your before and after experiences?

very interesting

John Rose Wrote:
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> <<>>
>
> <<>>
>
> Now we are told that Doug Graham proclamation that
> "fruit is the Food" was wrong.


???? Are you saying that Graham is changing his tune? Link, please!

I find that I am not addicted to salts, oils or other non food.
I just eat simple - fruits and veggies.
I do not eat food that looks like other food - I eat fruits and veggies in their natural state.
I enjoy my food and I do not crave other food.
I feel happy and grateful for this.

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Raw vegan for life. Vegan for the animals. Raw for my health.

la_veronique Wrote:
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> commonsenseraw
>
> looks as if the probiotics created from the
> ferments ameliorated the oxalate effects
>
> ( sproutman posted a few articles about this)
>
> do you think that is what happened to create vast
> improvements?
>
> would u be willing to describe your before and
> after experiences?
>
> very interesting

I was on green juices for many years. It worked but not as well as I wanted it. I had digestive problems so I thought the juices would help solve that. I was drinking about one pint every morning and another in the evening sometimes more.
Mostly cabbage, dandelion, turnip, collard greens, and celery.
It may not be the juices that was the problem maybe I was just too sick to start with. I was moving my bowels more frequently with the juices but the stools were still hard, and sometimes I felt stomach pain, and had some gas.
Maybe the juices were getting hardened stools out and that caused pain and gas.
When I started to take rejuvelac and fermented sprouted seeds and beans things changed for the best. I also reduced the green juices to less than half of what I was drinking even some days stopped drinking green juices.
Another thing I added was getting daily into the gym for one hour and doing a lot of strength exercises and spinning.
I guess there were many factors.

commonsenseraw

looks like you were super diligent in your regimen

good for you !

which seeds did you sprout and ferment?

did you add probiotics to them?

Great post. I need to get into more into root vegetables. Just that it is hard to eat them raw. [www.today.com]



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> All foods have potentially negative aspects, its
> about consuming these foods within balance.
>
> The negatives only tend to become apparant when a
> food is consumed in excess. Moderation and balance
> go along way here to preventing these type of
> issues.
>
> Foods such as fruit and dark leafy greens are very
> healthy foods for the majority of individuals. We
> know these foods are healthy, when consumed as
> part of a balanced diet for most.
>
> Unless of course you have some physiological
> reason such as gout or kidney disorders to avoid
> high oxalate foods. Or someone with fructose
> intolerance issues might want to give fruit a
> miss. Those with thyroid disorders will want to
> monitor there intake of raw goitrogen containing
> foods and so on.
>
> There is no one food group which is better than
> any other, because none of these foods are
> nutritionally complete enough to survive on alone.
> We need a variety of different foods in the diet,
> even spices, fresh culinary herbs, onions, garlic,
> dark leafy greens, tea, cruciferous and root
> vegetables are proven longevity, cardiovascular
> supportive and potent anti-cancer foods. I don't
> why anyone would want to avoid these foods.
>
> Avoiding these foods is just limiting exposure to
> a variety of scientifically proven and health
> promoting phyto-nutrients. A little bit of
> everything is my moto.
>

I agree with the exception of eating animals. I don't think that is necessary.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:00AM by Prana.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> All foods have potentially negative aspects, its
> about consuming these foods within balance.
>
> The negatives only tend to become apparant when a
> food is consumed in excess. Moderation and balance
> go along way here to preventing these type of
> issues.
>
> Foods such as fruit and dark leafy greens are very
> healthy foods for the majority of individuals. We
> know these foods are healthy, when consumed as
> part of a balanced diet for most.
>
> Unless of course you have some physiological
> reason such as gout or kidney disorders to avoid
> high oxalate foods. Or someone with fructose
> intolerance issues might want to give fruit a
> miss. Those with thyroid disorders will want to
> monitor there intake of raw goitrogen containing
> foods and so on.
>
> There is no one food group which is better than
> any other, because none of these foods are
> nutritionally complete enough to survive on alone.
> We need a variety of different foods in the diet,
> even spices, fresh culinary herbs, onions, garlic,
> dark leafy greens, tea, cruciferous and root
> vegetables are proven longevity, cardiovascular
> supportive and potent anti-cancer foods. I don't
> why anyone would want to avoid these foods.
>
> Avoiding these foods is just limiting exposure to
> a variety of scientifically proven and health
> promoting phyto-nutrients. A little bit of
> everything is my moto.
>


Give us some examples of meals that have "a little bit of everything".



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Pl, can u give a few days specific examples of meals you eat typically?

<<<Give us some examples of meals that have "a little bit of everything".>>>

<<<Pl, can u give a few days specific examples of meals you eat typically?>>>

YES!!!!!!!!!!

EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE EATING PL!!!!!!!!!!

Please share what you think is a balanced diet and please be specific in regards to the weight!!!!!!!!!!

Come on PL, just admit that you are NOT a Raw Vegan and you are an Internet Shill, otherwise, why would you spend so much time on a Raw Vegan Website where you are NOT Vegan and you are NOT Raw?!?!?!

powerlifter Wrote:
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Maybe i
> will do a segment on my blog of a typical few days
> worth of food at some point with the full
> nutritional analysis/amounts of food, for those
> who are genuinely interest.
point of health at all.


Great idea! No sense in feeding your trolls here.



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