As I have been drinking green juices for over two years and more recently drinking rejuvelac and eating sprouted fermented seeds, the amount of fecal matter coming of my colon is more than what I eat daily.

How could this be?

Where is it coming from?

And it keep coming out.

About 10 years ago I was coaching a Gastroenterologist and when I asked him about his BMs on day 21 of his Juice Fast/Feast, he told me that he had the BIGGEST BM of his life and he asked me, "Where is this coming from?" and I said - you tell me - you're the expert! Of course, I knew where it was coming from, but this so-called expert did NOT have a clue!

Pretty sad to be living with all that intoxicated matter
John was it your daily must have recipe for a successful juice fast?

I hope you get rid of all that intoxicated matter out of your system. That's horrible!

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CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> As I have been drinking green juices for over two
> years and more recently drinking rejuvelac and
> eating sprouted fermented seeds, the amount of
> fecal matter coming of my colon is more than what
> I eat daily.
>
> How could this be?
>
> Where is it coming from?
>
> And it keep coming out.


I strongly feel it is the increased enzymes in your diet due to the ferments. It appears poor digestion can result from pancreatic insufficency according to the research literiture l have read (a common condition imo), and now I hear Brian Clement and Viktoras Kulvinskas saying the same things l have read in mainstream literiture, but Dr Brian and Vik takes it much much further.

I strongly urge you to take the time and listen to the two videos posted in this link. You may need to listen to them a few times, but hopefully the penny will drop. It has taken a long time for the penny to drop with myself, but the more l research the more l am starting to understand about pancreatic insufficiency and enzymes.

I think Vik and Dr Brian are probably right on cue with all of this. My mind is completely blown about the recent connections l have made with enzymes.

And if people think all this low enzyme high sugared hybrid fruit is going to help the pancreas, then maybe it's time people started to look into this subject a lot more. I used to take many things Dr Brian and Vik said with a grain of salt, but the more l look into things, the more l realise how what great work these two men are doing.

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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As I have been drinking green juices for over
> two
> > years and more recently drinking rejuvelac and
> > eating sprouted fermented seeds, the amount of
> > fecal matter coming of my colon is more than
> what
> > I eat daily.
> >
> > How could this be?
> >
> > Where is it coming from?
> >
> > And it keep coming out.
>
>
> I strongly feel it is the increased enzymes in
> your diet due to the ferments. It appears poor
> digestion can result from pancreatic insufficency
> according to the research literiture l have read
> (a common condition imo), and now I hear Brian
> Clement and Viktoras Kulvinskas saying the same
> things l have read in mainstream literiture, but
> Dr Brian and Vik takes it much much further.
>
> I strongly urge you to take the time and listen to
> the two videos posted in this link. You may need
> to listen to them a few times, but hopefully the
> penny will drop. It has taken a long time for the
> penny to drop with myself, but the more l research
> the more l am starting to understand about
> pancreatic insufficiency and enzymes.
>
> I think Vik and Dr Brian are probably right on cue
> with all of this. My mind is completely blown
> about the recent connections l have made with
> enzymes.
>
> And if people think all this low enzyme high
> sugared hybrid fruit is going to help the
> pancreas, then maybe it's time people started to
> look into this subject a lot more. I used to take
> many things Dr Brian and Vik said with a grain of
> salt, but the more l look into things, the more l
> realise how what great work these two men are
> doing.
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Good point about enzymes but should not they already be included in the raw food and sprouts we eat, the fermented drinks we take, should we take additional supplements?
I thought enzymes were a concern when you are on SAD diet



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2014 12:47PM by CommonSenseRaw.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As I have been drinking green juices for over
> > two
> > > years and more recently drinking rejuvelac
> and
> > > eating sprouted fermented seeds, the amount
> of
> > > fecal matter coming of my colon is more than
> > what
> > > I eat daily.
> > >
> > > How could this be?
> > >
> > > Where is it coming from?
> > >
> > > And it keep coming out.
> >
> >
> > I strongly feel it is the increased enzymes in
> > your diet due to the ferments. It appears poor
> > digestion can result from pancreatic
> insufficency
> > according to the research literiture l have
> read
> > (a common condition imo), and now I hear Brian
> > Clement and Viktoras Kulvinskas saying the same
> > things l have read in mainstream literiture,
> but
> > Dr Brian and Vik takes it much much further.
> >
> > I strongly urge you to take the time and listen
> to
> > the two videos posted in this link. You may
> need
> > to listen to them a few times, but hopefully
> the
> > penny will drop. It has taken a long time for
> the
> > penny to drop with myself, but the more l
> research
> > the more l am starting to understand about
> > pancreatic insufficiency and enzymes.
> >
> > I think Vik and Dr Brian are probably right on
> cue
> > with all of this. My mind is completely blown
> > about the recent connections l have made with
> > enzymes.
> >
> > And if people think all this low enzyme high
> > sugared hybrid fruit is going to help the
> > pancreas, then maybe it's time people started
> to
> > look into this subject a lot more. I used to
> take
> > many things Dr Brian and Vik said with a grain
> of
> > salt, but the more l look into things, the more
> l
> > realise how what great work these two men are
> > doing.
> >
> > [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
>
> Good point about enzymes but should not they
> already be included in the raw food and sprouts we
> eat, the fermented drinks we take, should we take
> additional supplements?
> I thought enzymes were a concern when you are on
> SAD diet

Gabriel Cousens says in one of his books to take digestive enzymes to break down adhesions in the intestines. How does he know that those digestive enzymes are 'smart' enough to be that selective? They are used as meat tenderizers after all.

Maybe there are some problems with digesting raw food that those gurus are not telling us.

The sprouts and veggies eaters are taking digestive enzyme capsules.

The fruit eaters are not.

So in conclusion ...

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Maybe there are some problems with digesting raw
> food that those gurus are not telling us.
>
> The sprouts and veggies eaters are taking
> digestive enzyme capsules.
>
> The fruit eaters are not.
>
> So in conclusion ...


Let's not categorize bean sprouts with everything else. I don't think anyone is having trouble digesting sunflower greens, broccoli sprouts, pea shoot greens, fenugreek sprouts, sprouted nuts/seeds, etc.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Maybe there are some problems with digesting raw
> food that those gurus are not telling us.
>
> The sprouts and veggies eaters are taking
> digestive enzyme capsules.
>
> The fruit eaters are not.
>
> So in conclusion ...

Well, Quick Draw Mc Graw, I eat sprouts, veggies, and 60% -70% lipids every day and don't take digestive enzymes. So it's still a raw food cliff hanger.

You are a winner maybe the oils in the Conductivity diet help with digestion

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> You are a winner maybe the oils in the
> Conductivity diet help with digestion


Yes, I am lucky. Thank God I quit the hclf diet before it did further damage and left my pancrease still able to function well enough to produce enough lipase to digest fats properly.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > As I have been drinking green juices for over
> > two
> > > years and more recently drinking rejuvelac
> and
> > > eating sprouted fermented seeds, the amount
> of
> > > fecal matter coming of my colon is more than
> > what
> > > I eat daily.
> > >
> > > How could this be?
> > >
> > > Where is it coming from?
> > >
> > > And it keep coming out.
> >
> >
> > I strongly feel it is the increased enzymes in
> > your diet due to the ferments. It appears poor
> > digestion can result from pancreatic
> insufficency
> > according to the research literiture l have
> read
> > (a common condition imo), and now I hear Brian
> > Clement and Viktoras Kulvinskas saying the same
> > things l have read in mainstream literiture,
> but
> > Dr Brian and Vik takes it much much further.
> >
> > I strongly urge you to take the time and listen
> to
> > the two videos posted in this link. You may
> need
> > to listen to them a few times, but hopefully
> the
> > penny will drop. It has taken a long time for
> the
> > penny to drop with myself, but the more l
> research
> > the more l am starting to understand about
> > pancreatic insufficiency and enzymes.
> >
> > I think Vik and Dr Brian are probably right on
> cue
> > with all of this. My mind is completely blown
> > about the recent connections l have made with
> > enzymes.
> >
> > And if people think all this low enzyme high
> > sugared hybrid fruit is going to help the
> > pancreas, then maybe it's time people started
> to
> > look into this subject a lot more. I used to
> take
> > many things Dr Brian and Vik said with a grain
> of
> > salt, but the more l look into things, the more
> l
> > realise how what great work these two men are
> > doing.
> >
> > [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
>
> Good point about enzymes but should not they
> already be included in the raw food and sprouts we
> eat, the fermented drinks we take, should we take
> additional supplements?


Imo, the enzymes in the sprouts are not enough for most people who have spent a great deal of their lives eating cooked food. But with the addition of ferments comes the extra enzymes and bacteria that allows one to break down food better. Even when ferments are stopped, digestion is improved.

Dr Brian and Kulvinskas do recommend digestive enzymes until the enzyme levels in the body are restored. Ferments and probiotics are also recommended so the body has high enough bacteria levels to break down those tannins and other anti nutrients.

Sprouts also have indigestable cellulose, and the cellulase enzyme in the sprouts isn't enough to digest the cellulose in the sprouts for most people due to prior eating habits of cooked food imo. When we take enzymes and ferments we can break that cellulose down and maximise the energy from the sprouts.

Digestive enzymes are said to clean the intestines of built up garbage.




> I thought enzymes were a concern when you are on
> SAD diet

Obviously not. Many raw fooders can't digest foods well because they don't have the bacteria and enzyme levels in the body to break things down. Countless examples can be stated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2014 08:05AM by The Sproutarian Man.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Maybe there are some problems with digesting raw
> food that those gurus are not telling us.
>
> The sprouts and veggies eaters are taking
> digestive enzyme capsules.
>
> The fruit eaters are not.
>
> So in conclusion ...

The fruits are more easily digested, but digestion problems can still a problem with fruit because the tannins in various fruits will bind with various minerals/carbs/protein and not be broken down. Fruit can also be high in dissacrachide sugars, and these sugars are not digested by people and will ferment in the intestines causing methane gas and prebiotics (the science clearly states this). The fruit eaters will still often report having problems eating nuts because they are low on enzymes like everyone else imo, and taking low enzyme foods in the N.H diet isn't enough to replenish the body.

Digesting raw foods is nearly always a problem, but don't expect raw gurus to tell you that.

I am feeling more than ever that the eating of cooked food has really degraded the state of the body.

"I am feeling more than ever that the eating of cooked food has really degraded the state of the body."

So true.
And it is so hard to get back the body optimal state once you loose it.

In my case it is very difficult and also rewarding.

The stools keep coming and they are of two types
The normal soft type and the very hard, old and dark type.

And they do not come out at the same time.

The soft daily but the hard about once a week.
And it is difficult to understand how they could coexist.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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>
> So true.
> And it is so hard to get back the body optimal
> state once you loose it.



Takes years to get the body, mind and spirit right. Takes lots and lots of hard work. It is a constant journey.


>
> The stools keep coming and they are of two types
> The normal soft type and the very hard, old and
> dark type.
>
> And they do not come out at the same time.

That may continue for a while. Same used to happen with me.

To me the addition of sprouting and fermented sprouted seeds was a game changer.
It saved my life.
My digestive system is working fine now.
And that is the value of this forum.
By reading others postings you pick what you need at that time.
You may not be 100 percent raw or even vegan.