Oh yeah 50 year old men with frosted hair and black tank tops are the epitome of HOT in my book. Please. Give me more.

Breakfast with Marcus and Cara. Fast and easy!

[www.youtube.com]

look at the bucket of cashews she eats for "healthy" breakfast cream. No thank you. I don't think I'll watch any more of their vids.

They really do promote a "SAD version" of the raw food diet, built more upon convenience and taste than true health. All that blending just destroying nutrients and enzymes while promoting fermentation. Not to mention the really bad combination of nuts with fruit. He says the blender "predigests" his food but it's actually the complete opposite (whatever isn't destroyed by high-power blending). Plus he had like 17 different ingredients in his smoothie.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2014 06:00PM by jtprindl.

Did Ann Wigmore ever have a "squeeze"?

Wait, am I on the wrong topic?





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2014 05:53PM by coconutcream.

coconutcream Wrote:
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> Did Ann Wigmore ever have a "squeeze"?
>
> Wait, am I on the wrong topic?
Lol!

coconutcream Wrote:
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> Did Ann Wigmore ever have a "squeeze"?
>
> Wait, am I on the wrong topic?

Dr Ann was married at one point. She also has a daughter. From what l can gather, all her family disowned her because of her lifestyle. Her story is so sad. She came to America with her family and was treated as a slave and once was working in a dark factory 18 hours a day with no pay and was told by her uncle that she was lucky to get fed and a small room to stay in. She also had to drag big loads of goods through her local town as a slave. She had one of the worst lives and her family treated her as a second class citizen.

Dr Ann got gangrene in the legs and was advised to have them cut off. Her family would avoid her and she was laying out on a stretcher thingee all day by herself unable to move and wasn't helped by anyone. She remembered what her gradmother used to do with the grasses and plants, so she began to eat the grass and spit out the pulp, and within 2 weeks those gangrene legs got much better. The rest is history.

Dr Ann used to be very well dressed because her family was in the rag trade. But she said, when you become spiritually aware those material possessions become unimportant. That's why she did away with the fancy clothes and started to dress plain and wear a plain haircut with no make-up. Her family used to tell her how ugly and useless she was, but Dr Ann didn't crash and burn with a crushed spirit, instead, she rose up and shone brighter than the brightest star and showed what humans were capable of being and doing. I see her as being the ultimate example of what a raw food sprouted fermented diet can do, and l can now testify that it does cause a rebirth when done with meditation. To me she was the shining star of the raw food movement, and there is not many in her league or even close to it. She worked on average about 21 hours per day (sometimes more) for decades and was high energy up until the last years. Imo, if she got more sleep she would have thrived even more. It appears she did 18 inch catheter wheatgrass implants twice a day.

Dr Ann was the legend that dreams are made of.

www.thesproutarian.com

Praise be to the father vik
the son brian
and the legend holy ghost, ann

amen.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> coconutcream Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Did Ann Wigmore ever have a "squeeze"?
> >
> > Wait, am I on the wrong topic?
>
> Dr Ann was married at one point. She also has a
> daughter. From what l can gather, all her family
> disowned her because of her lifestyle. Her story
> is so sad. She came to America with her family and
> was treated as a slave and once was working in a
> dark factory 18 hours a day with no pay and was
> told by her uncle that she was lucky to get fed
> and a small room to stay in. She also had to drag
> big loads of goods through her local town as a
> slave. She had one of the worst lives and her
> family treated her as a second class citizen.
>
> Dr Ann got gangrene in the legs and was advised to
> have them cut off. Her family would avoid her and
> she was laying out on a stretcher thingee all day
> by herself unable to move and wasn't helped by
> anyone. She remembered what her gradmother used to
> do with the grasses and plants, so she began to
> eat the grass and spit out the pulp, and within 2
> weeks those gangrene legs got much better. The
> rest is history.
>
> Dr Ann used to be very well dressed because her
> family was in the rag trade. But she said, when
> you become spiritually aware those material
> possessions become unimportant. That's why she did
> away with the fancy clothes and started to dress
> plain and wear a plain haircut with no make-up.
> Her family used to tell her how ugly and useless
> she was, but Dr Ann didn't crash and burn with a
> crushed spirit, instead, she rose up and shone
> brighter than the brightest star and showed what
> humans were capable of being and doing. I see her
> as being the ultimate example of what a raw food
> sprouted fermented diet can do, and l can now
> testify that it does cause a rebirth when done
> with meditation. To me she was the shining star of
> the raw food movement, and there is not many in
> her league or even close to it. She worked on
> average about 21 hours per day (sometimes more)
> for decades and was high energy up until the last
> years. Imo, if she got more sleep she would have
> thrived even more. It appears she did 18 inch
> catheter wheatgrass implants twice a day.
>
> Dr Ann was the legend that dreams are made of.

Well I guess it's impossible to have a thread about a hot couple in the raw vegan world without everyone's favorite gurus of yore being dragged into it.

I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence, high energy, and good looks can draw more people into the movement now that they are together and a hot item on the scene. The world loves lovers.

"I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence, high energy, and good looks can draw more people into the movement now that they are together and a hot item on the scene. The world loves lovers."

That's the thing, though, they're really not that intelligent.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence, high
> energy, and good looks can draw more people into
> the movement now that they are together and a hot
> item on the scene. The world loves lovers."
>
> That's the thing, though, they're really not that
> intelligent.

Why, because they have been at this long enough to have digestive systems in good enough shape not to have to worry about the dogma, (which was built specifically for raw vegan newbies coming off SAD diets), that dictates "proper" food combining? If so, you are just wrong.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > coconutcream Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Did Ann Wigmore ever have a "squeeze"?
> > >
> > > Wait, am I on the wrong topic?
> >
> > Dr Ann was married at one point. She also has a
> > daughter. From what l can gather, all her
> family
> > disowned her because of her lifestyle. Her
> story
> > is so sad. She came to America with her family
> and
> > was treated as a slave and once was working in
> a
> > dark factory 18 hours a day with no pay and was
> > told by her uncle that she was lucky to get fed
> > and a small room to stay in. She also had to
> drag
> > big loads of goods through her local town as a
> > slave. She had one of the worst lives and her
> > family treated her as a second class citizen.
> >
> > Dr Ann got gangrene in the legs and was advised
> to
> > have them cut off. Her family would avoid her
> and
> > she was laying out on a stretcher thingee all
> day
> > by herself unable to move and wasn't helped by
> > anyone. She remembered what her gradmother used
> to
> > do with the grasses and plants, so she began to
> > eat the grass and spit out the pulp, and within
> 2
> > weeks those gangrene legs got much better. The
> > rest is history.
> >
> > Dr Ann used to be very well dressed because her
> > family was in the rag trade. But she said, when
> > you become spiritually aware those material
> > possessions become unimportant. That's why she
> did
> > away with the fancy clothes and started to
> dress
> > plain and wear a plain haircut with no make-up.
> > Her family used to tell her how ugly and
> useless
> > she was, but Dr Ann didn't crash and burn with
> a
> > crushed spirit, instead, she rose up and shone
> > brighter than the brightest star and showed
> what
> > humans were capable of being and doing. I see
> her
> > as being the ultimate example of what a raw
> food
> > sprouted fermented diet can do, and l can now
> > testify that it does cause a rebirth when done
> > with meditation. To me she was the shining star
> of
> > the raw food movement, and there is not many in
> > her league or even close to it. She worked on
> > average about 21 hours per day (sometimes more)
> > for decades and was high energy up until the
> last
> > years. Imo, if she got more sleep she would
> have
> > thrived even more. It appears she did 18 inch
> > catheter wheatgrass implants twice a day.
> >
> > Dr Ann was the legend that dreams are made of.
>
> Well I guess it's impossible to have a thread
> about a hot couple in the raw vegan world without
> everyone's favorite gurus of yore being dragged
> into it.
>
> I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence, high
> energy, and good looks can draw more people into
> the movement now that they are together and a hot
> item on the scene.


Maybe they can, but for how long? Can people sustain such a diet? Are Markus and Cara full time raw vegans?....possibly, but l am not so sure given the types of eating practises they promote. Not saying their diet is impossible to follow, but new comers need to exercise great caution in following such dietary practises promoted by the couple because the history of successful outcomes following such diets is not so good. Often, not all we see on the surface is not what is going on behind the scenes. Once again l say to the new comers, `be careful and study diet well, and read of the vegan diet failures so you may plan your diet as well as possible'.

It is not just about image to me. Once again, the big question is...will their diet work for other people??? Easy to sell things using image, but it needs to be sustainable and apply to real life. Is Markus and Cara promoting real life, or is it the fantasy? Many raw gurus sell the fantasy so we need to be careful.

Another discussion group gossiped about them too,
and not too kindly.
30badsucks
why dont u join that group, youll fit right in.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence, high
> > energy, and good looks can draw more people
> into
> > the movement now that they are together and a
> hot
> > item on the scene. The world loves lovers."
> >
> > That's the thing, though, they're really not
> that
> > intelligent.
>
> Why, because they have been at this long enough
> to have digestive systems in good enough shape not
> to have to worry about the dogma, (which was built
> specifically for raw vegan newbies coming off SAD
> diets), that dictates "proper" food combining? If
> so, you are just wrong.


It doesn't matter how long you've been raw, fermentation still occurs when you mix nuts with fruit. Not just that, though, the huge blended smoothie everyday with tons of different ingredients. Then there's the carrying around the smoothie all day and drinking it after it has completely oxidized. It'd be like if you were to cut a bunch of fruit in half, leave it on the counter for hours and then eat it after it has started to go bad. Is it better than typical SAD food? Sure, but let's not go around proclaiming this is extremely healthy stuff. Eating raw food for a long time doesn't equal health or nutrition intelligence.

I agree with jtprindl.

cue the singing angels!

in fact, I either eat food or blend
but dont really make smoothies anymore, I make chunkies.
couple of pulses.
and only 1 to 3 items

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > "I think Marcus' and Cara's intelligence,
> high
> > > energy, and good looks can draw more people
> > into
> > > the movement now that they are together and a
> > hot
> > > item on the scene. The world loves lovers."
> > >
> > > That's the thing, though, they're really not
> > that
> > > intelligent.
> >
> > Why, because they have been at this long
> enough
> > to have digestive systems in good enough shape
> not
> > to have to worry about the dogma, (which was
> built
> > specifically for raw vegan newbies coming off
> SAD
> > diets), that dictates "proper" food combining?
> If
> > so, you are just wrong.
>
>
> It doesn't matter how long you've been raw,
> fermentation still occurs when you mix nuts with
> fruit. Not just that, though, the huge blended
> smoothie everyday with tons of different
> ingredients. Then there's the carrying around the
> smoothie all day and drinking it after it has
> completely oxidized. It'd be like if you were to
> cut a bunch of fruit in half, leave it on the
> counter for hours and then eat it after it has
> started to go bad. Is it better than typical SAD
> food? Sure, but let's not go around proclaiming
> this is extremely healthy stuff. Eating raw food
> for a long time doesn't equal health or nutrition
> intelligence.

Promoting the fantasy = raw food diet 101 nonsense. I can see lots of nonsense being spoken, but little intelligence in the suggestions. I scoff at such talk, and others do too.

Yes...mix the fruit with greens. Take your smoothies to work. Have lots of fat. If it's raw it is still good, right? I don't buy into such talk.

As Brian Clement said "it is a bunch of moderate baloney". People are waking up to this type of promotion and now speaking out. The old raw food 101 teachings will naturally die off imo, and in will come a new age of a much improved raw vegan diet that actually makes sense and can sustain more people without the crash and burn symptoms.

It's about FRESH food, nutritious food, balanced diet, and getting the body in a condition where it can digest the food. And what about toxins in raw plants? Well, there are lots of things we can do about toxins...we can use bacteria to break down toxins, we can use foods to eliminate toxins from plants, we can have a good food rotation, we can fast etc.

There is an exciting future for the raw vegan diet, but we need to drag it out of the gutter.

Clement rages against smoothies and fruit and eats plenty of cooked.



your rationalizations about his failure to get even close to his own recommendations falls flat.

"It's about FRESH food, nutritious food, balanced diet, and getting the body in a condition where it can digest the food. And what about toxins in raw plants? Well, there are lots of things we can do about toxins...we can use bacteria to break down toxins, we can use foods to eliminate toxins from plants, we can have a good food rotation, we can fast etc.

There is an exciting future for the raw vegan diet, but we need to drag it out of the gutter."

I feel like I've been seeing many more sources/people talk about sprouting and how nutritious they are, which is a good sign. Unfortunately, many still toss them in the blender or buy them in a package from the store lol

Some say things like "well if you need to use enzymes or probiotics to break down food, the diet isn't that good", but I disagree because these are just the plants' natural defense mechanisms to thwart off predators (including humans) for their best chance to survive and thrive. All foods contain them because they don't want to die off, especially without a fight. Things like enzymes are ways where we can get all of the benefit while warding off the negatives. Plus, in many cases, our bodies have been shown to adjust over time. Plus, many of these substances also have beneficial roles in the body.

fresh Wrote:
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> I agree with jtprindl.
>
> cue the singing angels!
>
> in fact, I either eat food or blend
> but dont really make smoothies anymore, I make
> chunkies.
> couple of pulses.
> and only 1 to 3 items


Same, I rarely make smoothies anymore and typically blend for only 15-20 seconds. Juicing is the far superior option. If someone is concerned about not being able to obtain beneficial properties like anthocyanins or something in the skin of certain fruits (from juicing), they should just eat it.



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>Once again, the big question is...will their diet work for other people???

and will the sproutarian diet work for pregnant moms, kids?

ummmmmmmm

fresh Wrote:
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> >Once again, the big question is...will their diet
> work for other people???
>
> and will the sproutarian diet work for pregnant
> moms, kids?
>
> ummmmmmmm


I think it would if you catered to the situation. I'd imagine kids would actually be easier to raise on a sproutarian diet than adults considering they require less calories and nutrients. With athletes, you may need to add more fruit, but it works out perfectly because they'd be easily burning off any excess sugar.



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"That guy is still freezing into being permanently hunched over, pudgy. and from his appearance on the videos you post, pasty and colorless"

Only in your world to make yourself feel better.

"Are you implying that "hot" is in the gutter?"

What's "hot" about Markus and Cara? They make youtube videos together talking about sex?

"I know plenty of people who manage to eat the way they think they should eat regardless of how much they travel."

You expect him to be able to grow fresh sprouts/grass every day during the 150 different lectures he gives each year all over the world? Whoever you know doesn't travel half as much as Brian Clement and doesn't have a diet nearly as strict or fresh of that of someone who eats tons of sprouts.

Go ahead and post a picture of yourself and show us all what "healthy and glowing" looks like.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> What's "hot" about Markus and Cara?

It's stuff of that ilk that is making me seriously wonder if there are only a very few raw vegans here, besides Coconutcream, who have ever been in anything other than a ho hum relationship at best.

At worst, I'm wondering if there is some peculiar cultish monkishness in a lot of raw vegans. It kind of creeps me out even though it's none of my business and nothing I really want to know more about. I'm not asking. Please don't tell.

"It's stuff of that ilk that is making me seriously wonder if there are only a very few raw vegans here, besides Coconutcream, who have ever been in anything other than a ho hum relationship at best."

That didn't answer the question.

jtprindl Wrote:
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>
> Some say things like "well if you need to use
> enzymes or probiotics to break down food, the diet
> isn't that good", but I disagree because these are
> just the plants' natural defense mechanisms to
> thwart off predators (including humans) for their
> best chance to survive and thrive. All foods
> contain them because they don't want to die off,
> especially without a fight. Things like enzymes
> are ways where we can get all of the benefit while
> warding off the negatives. Plus, in many cases,
> our bodies have been shown to adjust over time.
> Plus, many of these substances also have
> beneficial roles in the body.

Many raw fooders complain about poor digestion of foods. They haven't been taught how to repair the body after a lifetime of cooked foods. Some are raw for years and still report inadequate digestion from greens and nuts. We need to fix the body properly, but raw foods is not always enough when one has been cooked for a lifetime.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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but raw foods is not always enough
> when one has been cooked for a lifetime.

Who told you that?

Observation of people's reports, observation of what fermnted foods do, observation of myself, observation of what HHI do...many things bring me to this conclusion. HHI use enzymes and probiotics for a very good reason, and they are not just for sick people.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Observation of people's reports, observation of
> what fermnted foods do, observation of myself,
> observation of what HHI do...many things bring me
> to this conclusion. HHI use enzymes and probiotics
> for a very good reason, and they are not just for
> sick people.

Raw foods are enough. Start very sick people out with just their juices. It works well enough like that unless heavy duty antibiotics have killed everything off. In that case a course of top quality probiotics will probably be needed but not forever.

Fermented foods are just not alive anymore. Mostly just the bacteria that ate them are alive at that point. Fermented foods are way more dead than the farm stand fruit and veggies you complain about are.

Its funny how you can point all that logic out and no change in belief system will occur.


I should start a thread called, "what I believe different from yesterday.
could be an empty thread.

so really, everyone here is talking to themselves.

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> At worst, I'm wondering if there is some
> peculiar cultish monkishness in a lot of raw
> vegans. It kind of creeps me out even though it's
> none of my business and nothing I really want to
> know more about. I'm not asking. Please don't
> tell.

People move on and get past that stage of requirement. It's like how the yogi's are reported to leave their wives and go into the wilderness to meditate and perfect enlightenment. As Hilton Hotema said..."most men create families, other men create philosophies".


I've done the lovey dovey stuff, but l have moved on. I wouldn't be able to serve mankind in the way l need to if l had that rope around my neck.

I don't need other people to complete me, l have everything inside myself because l am in tune with the higher power and feel complete. This is no spiritual guru talk because it sounds good, this is real.

My sproutarian friend is the same. Left his wife and went after his true calling. No more sitting on the couch holding hands, watching movies and talking nonsense (idle conversations that serve nothing but to satisfy one person at that moment)...he had important things to do...he had a calling to serve mankind.

Why did Wigmore work 21 hours per day? She had things to do...she had mankind to serve...she had THE CALLING!!! That's what happens.

I know a bunch of people who meditate who are attractive and single, and raw. They want to stay single because they have THE CALLING. We people do not want the distraction because we know our mission and why we were put on Earth.

Suez....some of us blokes and ladies have stuff to do, and we are doing it. No-one will distract us from our mission.

Suez...l try not to indulge in nonsense anymore. I try to say important things or not talk at all. I have no time for trivial conversation...people either talk about important things or l am not interested. I like discipline these days...been there and done all that trivial nonsense...have moved on. Got a job to do.