jtprindl Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> > Does anyone know companies that can get red
> clover
> > and broccoli sprouting seeds through customs
> and
> > ship internationally?
>
>
> Have you checked with [sproutpeople.org]?

A few months ago. They can't guarantee that it will get through and say it is very tricky.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> > Does anyone know companies that can get red
> clover
> > and broccoli sprouting seeds through customs
> and
> > ship internationally?
>
>
> Well you are in luck. Not only does Johnny's
> have a fabulous selection of sprout seeds I just
> checked and they ship internationally.
>
> Five pages of sprout seeds...
>
>
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
> sprout+seeds&isusersearch=1
>
>
> Three pages of micro green seeds. (Why not
> supply upscale restaurants with rare sprouts while
> you're at it to defray costs?)...
>
>
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]%
> 2fmatch%2fadd_attr%3fattr_val%3dcategory%7emicro+g
> reens%26session%3d31262000%26last_seq%3d72320427&s
> earchterm=sprout%20seeds
>
> Four pages of organic herbs...
>
>
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
> upplies.aspx?categoryid=3&source=OGlander
>
> I'd recommend throwing in at least a packet of
> these Kakai seeds. Yep, Johnny's has the good
> ones!
>
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
>
> I love Johnny's. They are even employee owned.

Wow, it looks like you may have hit the jackpot. I'll make enquiries and report back hopefully next week. Thankyou once again.

For sure, l would definitely be interested in being a supplier of a wide variety of seeds for a fair price and fill bulk orders if requested. The Australian market is hopeless and needs cleaning up...needs a sproutarian doing things for the right reasons and not just a market of worthless resellers who are only interested in profit.

I am checking the site and am blown away. Great prices and great selection. Kale sprouts too! I am smiling from ear to ear, but best not get too excited yet.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2014 03:05AM by The Sproutarian Man.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Does anyone know companies that can get red
> > clover
> > > and broccoli sprouting seeds through customs
> > and
> > > ship internationally?
> >
> >
> > Well you are in luck. Not only does Johnny's
> > have a fabulous selection of sprout seeds I
> just
> > checked and they ship internationally.
> >
> > Five pages of sprout seeds...
> >
> >
> >
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
>
> > sprout+seeds&isusersearch=1
> >
> >
> > Three pages of micro green seeds. (Why not
> > supply upscale restaurants with rare sprouts
> while
> > you're at it to defray costs?)...
> >
> >
> >
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]%
>
> >
> 2fmatch%2fadd_attr%3fattr_val%3dcategory%7emicro+g
>
> >
> reens%26session%3d31262000%26last_seq%3d72320427&s
>
> > earchterm=sprout%20seeds
> >
> > Four pages of organic herbs...
> >
> >
> >
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
>
> > upplies.aspx?categoryid=3&source=OGlander
> >
> > I'd recommend throwing in at least a packet
> of
> > these Kakai seeds. Yep, Johnny's has the good
> > ones!
> >
> >
> [www.johnnyseeds.com]
> >
> > I love Johnny's. They are even employee
> owned.
>
> Wow, it looks like you may have hit the jackpot.
> I'll make enquiries and report back hopefully next
> week. Thankyou once again.
>
> For sure, l would definitely be interested in
> being a supplier of a wide variety of seeds for a
> fair price and fill bulk orders if requested. The
> Australian market is hopeless and needs cleaning
> up...needs a sproutarian doing things for the
> right reasons and not just a market of worthless
> resellers who are only interested in profit.


You're welcome.

I have been a bit familiar with the backwards Australian marketplace situation since I was a teenager. The young couple who lived across the street ran an international company. I really liked the woman and we became friends. She was a sky diver, rock climber and we went to the same fossil hunting grounds, etc.

She told me that when they went to OZ and started opening up stores the shop owners there didn't know what hit them as they saw their customers vanish and never come back. My friend said it was the easiest market they ever took over. Apparently your countrymen and woman at that time were very cheap with advertising and my friend and her husband made their initial killing just simply by making sure everyone who could read or hear knew they were there and had good stuff at lower prices than everyone else had.

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> I have been a bit familiar with the backwards
> Australian marketplace situation since I was a
> teenager. The young couple who lived across the
> street ran an international company. I really
> liked the woman and we became friends. She was a
> sky diver, rock climber and we went to the same
> fossil hunting grounds, etc.
>
> She told me that when they went to OZ and
> started opening up stores the shop owners there
> didn't know what hit them as they saw their
> customers vanish and never come back. My friend
> said it was the easiest market they ever took
> over. Apparently your countrymen and woman at that
> time were very cheap with advertising and my
> friend and her husband made their initial killing
> just simply by making sure everyone who could read
> or hear knew they were there and had good stuff at
> lower prices than everyone else had.


Yes, in past times Australian business was really laid back and slack and just plodded along. Workers were also very lax and many didn't do much during the day. Some workers would take long lunches and come back to work whenever they felt like it, if at all on some days full of booze. I have also heard of nightshift workers would have booze and drug parties all night at work, or going to bed on the shift each night and not doing a single bit of work. These days Australians have had to lift their game ALOT.

When it comes to a certain major health food shop whose managers are in charge of the ordering, it is shocking. I often have to tell them how to do things, interact with farmers on their behalf, report quality control problems etc. For eg, the other day l had to ring the farm and get certain chickpeas brought in because they couldn't manage to do it. I then had to get certain code numbers from the other brown chickpeas and report the quality control issue to the farmers because it was too much work or too hard for the manager to do. I don't even work there, yet l have to organise a bunch of stuff or else l won't get my seeds and the issues sorted out.

I said to them...order the white chickpeas, they tell me they aren't in stock. The business then gets low quality chickpeas in. I say they are no good. I ring the farm and check to find the white chickpeas are still for sale, then l have to organise a special reserve system and pickup with the farm for the shop. Now they are glad it all worked out, but l had to be firm with them to get the message through. They said "we'll get around to it"...I said "i've done the leg work, so l want you to get on the phone to the farm, place the order and ring me back straight away to let me know what's happening". I've always had to do it with any manager they have ever had.

With other Australian health food shops they wouldn't know what l am talking about or who their suppliers are and give me a blank look. One of the biggest health food shops in the state went out of business because a new owner took over and greatly reduced the stock because they wanted to cheapen out and save money LOL.

The sprouting companies are far worse. Bad customer service, and some are dodgy sounding people, and various owners seem completely incapable of doing anything.

I rang up another seed company owner and asked if the seeds were sprayed. He said something like "l don't know, l don't think they would be, sprayed seeds won't sprout".

I rang up another sprouting company owner and asked him if he could send me some seeds. He ummed and ahhed and was so laid back that l had to give up...he just wanted to talk in slow motion and didn't seem to want to take my order. It was quite a bizarre experience. It's like some of these sprouting company owners have never dealt with people before and l am the first person they have spoken to in 50 years.

The company l tried to buy the broccoli seeds off took close to two months to get a price. I am trying to get a lower price, but who knows, it might take another two months to get a response. Hopefully l can deal with American companies and flush the Australian seed market for good.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2014 04:21AM by The Sproutarian Man.

Johnys is the best, been shopping with them for years. The microgreen seeds are awesome. Can we post pics on here somehow?

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I rang up another seed company owner and asked if
> the seeds were sprayed. He said something like "l
> don't know, l don't think they would be, sprayed
> seeds won't sprout".
>
> I rang up another sprouting company owner and
> asked him if he could send me some seeds. He ummed
> and ahhed and was so laid back that l had to give
> up...he just wanted to talk in slow motion and
> didn't seem to want to take my order. It was quite
> a bizarre experience. It's like some of these
> sprouting company owners have never dealt with
> people before and l am the first person they have
> spoken to in 50 years.
>
> The company l tried to buy the broccoli seeds off
> took close to two months to get a price. I am
> trying to get a lower price, but who knows, it
> might take another two months to get a response.
> Hopefully l can deal with American companies
> and flush the Australian seed market for good.

Am I getting close to convincing you that being a localvor isn't all it's cracked up to be? Lol. I'm beginning to understand why you are so anti- business. It really is quite different here in the US - except for people who live in the Stupidvilles. Stupidvilles are much cheaper to live in but the stupid will drive you insane so it isn't worth being in those places. IMO.

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Johnys is the best, been shopping with them for
> years. The microgreen seeds are awesome.

You know it! Johnny's is the cream of the crop.

Can we
> post pics on here somehow?

I'm computer illiterate but I hope someone can tell you how to. I'd love to see what you've grown.

I'm too computer literate just need to read up on the policy here. Hang tight, Ive seen Sproutman pics so I know it can be done...

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"The practice of sprouting of cereal grains has become popular in the western world. Sprouted grains are thought of as having exceptional nutritive value. Sprouting is easy and can be done without sophisticated equipment. Untreated seeds of good quality and high germination percentage are placed in an environment of adequate water, a desirable temperature, and a certain composition of gases in the atmosphere for several days for sprouting. The sprouts can be kept for a few days to over a week under refrigeration. They can be used in many different foods including breakfast items, salads, soups, casseroles, pasta, and baked products. Sprouting of grains causes increased enzyme activity, a loss of total dry matter, an increase in total protein, a change in amino acid composition, a decrease in starch, increases in sugars, a slight increase in crude fat and crude fiber, and slightly higher amounts of certain vitamins and minerals. Most of the increases in nutrients are not true increases, however. They simply reflect the loss of dry matter, mainly in the form of carbohydrates, due to respiration during sprouting. As total carbohydrates decreases, the percentage of other nutrients increases. There are no nutritional evaluations of cereal sprouts in humans. Animal studies with cattle, pigs, chickens, and rats have failed to show a superior nutritive value of sprouted grains over ungerminated grains. Studies with humans are not likely to produce more encouraging results."

Panchito:

That is a 1980 study. And while the carb and dry matter decrease does increase percentages, the studies on sprouted seeds including grains does show gross level increases in nutrients regardless of the respiration factor and dry matter loss.

I guess old books about sprouts are OLD

[ucce.ucdavis.edu]

"TREVOR V. SUSLOW,
Department of Vegetable Crops, UC Davis; and
LINDA J. HARRIS,
Department of Food Science and Technology, UC Davis.

Since 1995, raw sprouts have emerged as a significant source of foodborne illness in the United States. These illnesses have involved the pathogenic bacteria Salmonella and E. coli O157:H7. Alfalfa, clover, and mung bean sprouts have been involved most frequently, but all raw sprouts may pose a risk. For most outbreaks, the source of contamination appears to have been the seed. Even if the seed is contaminated, pathogen levels are typically very low, so contamination can easily be missed depending on the nature of the seed-testing program. The best conditions for sprouting are also ideal for multiplication of pathogenic bacteria if they happen to be present on the seed. Even if the seed are only lightly contaminated, Salmonella and E. coli
O157:H7 levels can increase to millions of cells per serving during the sprouting process. Because illnesses from these organisms can range from mild to extremely unpleasant and even to very severe in susceptible persons, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the California Department of Health Services have issued warnings to consumers..."

nunativs

hope to see your sprout pics soon

Panchito Wrote:
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> I guess old books about sprouts are OLD
>
> [ucce.ucdavis.edu]
> f
>
> "TREVOR V. SUSLOW,
> Department of Vegetable Crops, UC Davis; and
> LINDA J. HARRIS,
> Department of Food Science and Technology, UC
> Davis.
>
> Since 1995, raw sprouts have emerged as a
> significant source of foodborne illness in the
> United States. These illnesses have involved the
> pathogenic bacteria Salmonella and E. coli
> O157:H7. Alfalfa, clover, and mung bean sprouts
> have been involved most frequently, but all raw
> sprouts may pose a risk. For most outbreaks, the
> source of contamination appears to have been the
> seed. Even if the seed is contaminated, pathogen
> levels are typically very low, so contamination
> can easily be missed depending on the nature of
> the seed-testing program. The best conditions for
> sprouting are also ideal for multiplication of
> pathogenic bacteria if they happen to be present
> on the seed. Even if the seed are only lightly
> contaminated, Salmonella and E. coli
> O157:H7 levels can increase to millions of cells
> per serving during the sprouting process. Because
> illnesses from these organisms can range from mild
> to extremely unpleasant and even to very severe in
> susceptible persons, the U.S. Food and Drug
> Administration and the California Department of
> Health Services have issued warnings to
> consumers..."

This is a simple problem to resolve. Just use food grade H2O2 in the seed's soak water for a few minutes and then spray that same mixture from a spray bottle on the seeds after each rinse and drain.

I use 8% food grade H2O2. For that concentration you just need 2 teaspoons of H2O2 per each 2 cups of H20.

I thought H2O2 foodgrade was 33%. I know because I used it once on my skin to get rid of a defect. but be aware that peroxide kills cells. Actually white cells shoot peroxide to pathogens

SueZ Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I guess old books about sprouts are OLD
> >
> >
> [ucce.ucdavis.edu]
>
> > f
> >
> > "TREVOR V. SUSLOW,
> > Department of Vegetable Crops, UC Davis; and
> > LINDA J. HARRIS,
> > Department of Food Science and Technology, UC
> > Davis.
> >
> > Since 1995, raw sprouts have emerged as a
> > significant source of foodborne illness in the
> > United States. These illnesses have involved
> the
> > pathogenic bacteria Salmonella and E. coli
> > O157:H7. Alfalfa, clover, and mung bean sprouts
> > have been involved most frequently, but all raw
> > sprouts may pose a risk. For most outbreaks,
> the
> > source of contamination appears to have been
> the
> > seed. Even if the seed is contaminated,
> pathogen
> > levels are typically very low, so contamination
> > can easily be missed depending on the nature of
> > the seed-testing program. The best conditions
> for
> > sprouting are also ideal for multiplication of
> > pathogenic bacteria if they happen to be
> present
> > on the seed. Even if the seed are only lightly
> > contaminated, Salmonella and E. coli
> > O157:H7 levels can increase to millions of
> cells
> > per serving during the sprouting process.
> Because
> > illnesses from these organisms can range from
> mild
> > to extremely unpleasant and even to very severe
> in
> > susceptible persons, the U.S. Food and Drug
> > Administration and the California Department of
> > Health Services have issued warnings to
> > consumers..."
>
> This is a simple problem to resolve. Just use
> food grade H2O2 in the seed's soak water for a few
> minutes and then spray that same mixture from a
> spray bottle on the seeds after each rinse and
> drain.
>
> I use 8% food grade H2O2. For that
> concentration you just need 2 teaspoons of H2O2
> per each 2 cups of H20.


YEs, sprout contamination issues are such a yawn because they are easy to solve. Even if you get E,coli...is appears that some U.T will fix that really quickly by introducing anti bodies within 15 minutes that will allow the body to overcome the problem....many report good things regarding these issues.


> Panchito Wrote:
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> > I guess old books about sprouts are OLD


Oh yes, times have moved on. It's important to read the recent research.

Panchito Wrote:
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> I thought H2O2 foodgrade was 33%. I know because I
> used it once on my skin to get rid of a defect.
> but be aware that peroxide kills cells. Actually
> white cells shoot peroxide to pathogens

Well I used to get the 35% from a local organic farmer and water it down. Now I get the 8% online - which won't turn your skin white if a drop falls on it.

I get mine from Earthshiftproducts.com when I'm making a big free shipping order. I think Amazon carries the 8%, too.

I don't know about the 8% but the 35% will last forever if you keep it in a glass jar in the freezer even though it doesn't freeze. Use a plastic lid though because it rusts out the metal ones pretty fast even in the freezer.

"I do not spray my sprouts with urine."

Lol. I wasn't thinking you would do that - especially with your guest's sprouts.

Why would anyone spray sprouts with urine?