I have been watching dogs being walked lately (because I am like Gladys Kravits and want to see if anyone is not scooping the @#$%&!) and I see these poor dogs straining and it looks painful. So we know that dogs are also getting human dis-eases, too. It just seems to me that if people fed their dogs foods with enough fiber then it wouldn't even be an issue.

dog food is an industry. If you think food for people is industry biased by companies, think about how bad it has to be for dogs. It is a mix of marketing and price mentality. Then time to go to th vet to get shots and medicine. It is a domesticated hoax

Is it really a lack of fiber? Their natural diet is raw meat and I don't think there's too much fiber in raw meat, could be wrong though. I think it'd more so be all of the processed food loaded with chemicals and preservatives.

I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so these wild animals feeding on raw food have no problem.
I personally add additional fiber to my dog diet. I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and mix it with some meat for my dog.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so
> these wild animals feeding on raw food have no
> problem.
> I personally add additional fiber to my dog diet.
> I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and mix
> it with some meat for my dog.


Where do you get your meat from? If I had a dog, I would raise it vegan.

There is no solution to the domestic animal problem. I feel very bad inside but I have no other way to get him some meat. And I do not think that dog are naturally vegan.

And he cannot hunt for himself even in my backyard where some wild animals come sometimes. I would just race them with no kill.

But to keep him healthy I do mix some carrot and other veggies with the meat sauce. And sometimes I will mix a bit of grass juice.



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banana who Wrote:
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> > I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> > Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so
> > these wild animals feeding on raw food have no
> > problem.
> > I personally add additional fiber to my dog
> diet.
> > I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and
> mix
> > it with some meat for my dog.
>
>
> Where do you get your meat from? If I had a dog, I
> would raise it vegan.


Canned meat

banana who Wrote:
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> CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> > I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> > Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so
> > these wild animals feeding on raw food have no
> > problem.
> > I personally add additional fiber to my dog
> diet.
> > I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and
> mix
> > it with some meat for my dog.
>
>
> Where do you get your meat from? If I had a dog, I
> would raise it vegan.


You'd be depriving it of its natural diet, which is raw meat. It'd be very hard for a wild dog to survive, let alone thrive without eating meat. Humans are 100% herbivorous, dogs are carnivores. Yes, they CAN eat fruits and veggies but they thrive on raw meat and can't extract much of the nutrition from plants. Their natural instincts are carnivorous, take chasing animals and digging for example.

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> banana who Wrote:
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> > > I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> > > Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so
> > > these wild animals feeding on raw food have
> no
> > > problem.
> > > I personally add additional fiber to my dog
> > diet.
> > > I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and
> > mix
> > > it with some meat for my dog.
> >
> >
> > Where do you get your meat from? If I had a dog,
> I
> > would raise it vegan.
>
>
> You'd be depriving it of its natural diet, which
> is raw meat. It'd be very hard for a wild dog to
> survive, let alone thrive without eating meat.
> Humans are 100% herbivorous, dogs are carnivores.
> Yes, they CAN eat fruits and veggies but they
> thrive on raw meat and can't extract much of the
> nutrition from plants. Their natural instincts are
> carnivorous, take chasing animals and digging for
> example.

Check this out: [www.youtube.com]

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> > > CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> >
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> > > -----
> > > > I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> > > > Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme
> so
> > > > these wild animals feeding on raw food have
> > no
> > > > problem.
> > > > I personally add additional fiber to my dog
> > > diet.
> > > > I grind carrots and other fiber rich food
> and
> > > mix
> > > > it with some meat for my dog.
> > >
> > >
> > > Where do you get your meat from? If I had a
> dog,
> > I
> > > would raise it vegan.
> >
> >
> > You'd be depriving it of its natural diet,
> which
> > is raw meat. It'd be very hard for a wild dog
> to
> > survive, let alone thrive without eating meat.
> > Humans are 100% herbivorous, dogs are
> carnivores.
> > Yes, they CAN eat fruits and veggies but they
> > thrive on raw meat and can't extract much of
> the
> > nutrition from plants. Their natural instincts
> are
> > carnivorous, take chasing animals and digging
> for
> > example.
>
> Check this out:
> [www.youtube.com]


What about it?

A vegan dog owner raising an adorable vegan dog.

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> A vegan dog owner raising an adorable vegan dog.
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They're still depriving the dog of its natural diet and likely feeding it things like grains which can cause a variety of problems and supplements.

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> dog.
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>
>
> They're still depriving the dog of its natural
> diet and likely feeding it things like grains
> which can cause a variety of problems and
> supplements.

No, I doubt it. She is a low-fat 80-10-10 type so I doubt she gives her dog grains since she doesn't consume them herself.

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> > dog.
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> >
> > They're still depriving the dog of its natural
> > diet and likely feeding it things like grains
> > which can cause a variety of problems and
> > supplements.
>
> No, I doubt it. She is a low-fat 80-10-10 type so
> I doubt she gives her dog grains since she doesn't
> consume them herself.


So where is this dog getting sufficient amino acids, D3, B12, minerals, and fats? Fruits, vegetables and a lot of supplements? It's ridiculous to deprive an animal of the food it would naturally eat if it were out in the wild.

Like many fruitarians the dog is just waiting to die of malnutrition.
The dog will anything if there is no other food it does not mean it is optimal

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> > > I guess the food enzyme concept was right.
> > > Raw food contains its own digestive enzyme so
> > > these wild animals feeding on raw food have
> no
> > > problem.
> > > I personally add additional fiber to my dog
> > diet.
> > > I grind carrots and other fiber rich food and
> > mix
> > > it with some meat for my dog.
> >
> >
> > Where do you get your meat from? If I had a dog,
> I
> > would raise it vegan.
>
>
> Canned meat

Like regular dog food? Hope not. I heard they put garbage in that.

Here's her video where 40belowfruity tells exactly what they feed their dog. Why if it's ok to experiment on our diets is it not ok to experiment on our dog's diets?

[www.youtube.com]

When my mother's dogs would occasionally get constipated she would buy a broasted chicken at the local Jewel/Osco for them to eat. For the next few days they would have diarrhea. Every single time - and so would she. Filthy poisonous toxic overload detoxes like that are way worse than feeding dogs vegan, IMO.

Directed at the lady in the video:

Lol she says it's "torturing" your dog to feed it an animal-based diet and "hypocritical" if you're a vegan and do so. Number one, meat is their natural diet, their biology is overwhelmingly carnivorous in nature. Two, it's not hypocritical at all, dogs have a different natural diet than humans from which they thrive on. It's definitely bad to feed them the processed name brand dry food's that are loaded with chemicals, preservatives, and by-products, but real meat is a different story. Plus, in order for them to follow a vegan diet, they need major supplementation, which in and of itself shows it may not be a good idea.

One of my dogs eats meat, a bit of raw organic oil (rotates between coconut, hemp, avocado), 1/4-1/2 teaspoon of pure curcumin, and little bit of black pepper.. about half the time she'll have some veggies mixed in, and her coat is very soft and shiny as well. She's 12 and has very very little gray, just a tiny bit on her snout, can still sprint, jump onto furniture, etc.

She then says dogs aren't carnivores and says "carnivores are animals that run after another creature, rip it apart...."... that is exactly what dogs do and yes they are carnivores. Both of my dogs have killed multiple animals, as have both of my neighbor's dogs. She uses her dog as an example for "evidence", very poor argument. Dogs don't get human diseases from eating meat, they get it from eating processed, chemical foods.

i don't even want to think about that cr#@ (scuse the pun

jtprindl Wrote:
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Both of
> my dogs have killed multiple animals, as have both
> of my neighbor's dogs.

TRAIN YOUR DOGS! If you can't figure it out or don't have time hire a pro to help you.

[www.cesarsway.com]



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My dogs have no killing instinct even when they are very hungry.
The squirrels and rabbits in the backyard they just sprint them away and come back in the house waiting for food to be given to them.

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> My dogs have no killing instinct even when they
> are very hungry.
> The squirrels and rabbits in the backyard they
> just sprint them away and come back in the house
> waiting for food to be given to them.


Congrats! You are a good pack leader.

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> both
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> TRAIN YOUR DOGS! If you can't figure it out or
> don't have time hire a pro to help you.
>
> [www.cesarsway.com]
> Drive


By telling me to train them not to attack animals, you are admitting that this is their natural instinct. The short period of the domestication of dogs doesn't change how they've evolved, they're still carnivores. A dog in the wild will either kill other animals or it will die.



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> My dogs have no killing instinct even when they
> are very hungry.
> The squirrels and rabbits in the backyard they
> just sprint them away and come back in the house
> waiting for food to be given to them.


Because they are not wild and know that YOU will feed them and have been conditioned. Had they been wild all their life, it would be a different story.

Your dogs have killed multiple animals?!Pets, even so-called carnivores, are not supposed to be predators in that sense. Well, I guess cats do that when they hunt mice and birds.. What breeds are they?



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I meant that cats don't pose a threat to humans (except for some crazy cat in the UK that attacks everyone).



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"Your dogs have killed multiple animals?!Pets, even so-called carnivores, are not supposed to be predators in that sense. Well, I guess cats do that when they hunt mice and birds. But dogs running around killing animals is disturbing to me. What breeds are they?"

Purebred Siberian husky and German shepherd/husky mix. They don't run around killing animals, they just happened to cross path's.

"I meant that cats don't pose a threat to humans (except for some crazy cat in the UK that attacks everyone). Vicious dogs are a threat to the public."

Dogs are vicious because of the way they are raised, or if they are threatened, they don't just attack people for no reason. It's also a myth that certain breeds, like pitbulls, are naturally aggressive and vicious.

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> By telling me to train them not to attack animals,
> you are admitting that this is their natural
> instinct.


No. What I am telling you is to become a responsible human and train your dogs not to kill wildlife. Read the dog whisperer link I provided for you in this thread. That man really knows his stuff.



The short period of the domestication of
> dogs doesn't change how they've evolved, they're
> still carnivores. A dog in the wild will either
> kill other animals or it will die.



As I have told you before my dog's vet used to do field research for one of, if not THE, top veterinary establishments in the world. He said inevitably the contents of coyotes' and other canines' digestive systems he encountered contained way more vegetation than animal parts. He said most people can't believe this but that it is true. He said that the worst diet for dogs that he and the other vets who work for him run into is the raw meat diet. He said they are running to terrible parasite problems with those dogs.

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> > are very hungry.
> > The squirrels and rabbits in the backyard they
> > just sprint them away and come back in the
> house
> > waiting for food to be given to them.
>
>
> Because they are not wild and know that YOU will
> feed them and have been conditioned. Had they been
> wild all their life, it would be a different
> story.

You are right. I feel so guilty sometimes when I have to go the store and buy meat for my dogs. Because I know I am contributing to the way the meat industry is raising cows and chickens for commercial use.
I do not know how to get my dogs some meat humanly or dogly.

"He said that the worst diet for dogs that he and the other vets who work for him run into is the raw meat diet. He said they are running to terrible parasite problems with those dogs."

To the fault of the company selling raw meat. If dogs were eating raw meat out in nature, they'd eat it right away and there would be no time for parasites and bacteria to emerge, unless the animal they killed was already infected. And also the conditions the raw meat would be in is much different than what a company would do with it.

"He said inevitably the contents of coyotes' and other canines' digestive systems he encountered contained way more vegetation than animal parts."

There are lots of different variables that could result in this, that doesn't mean their natural instincts aren't to hunt smaller animals for food. It's a bit different nowadays when there are so many streets, buildings, cars, etc.. more places to hide for these animals as opposed to being out in a field, making it harder for canine's to catch them.

"No. What I am telling you is to become a responsible human and train your dogs not to kill wildlife."

Only happens a few times per decade, but the point was that they wouldn't chase/kill wildlife if it wasn't in their nature. This is how wild carnivores survive, I'm not going to try and change the biology and natural instinctive behaviors they've learned over hundreds of thousands of years. Things die, that's life (irony). Vegans kill plants when they eat them, why is it only wrong to kill animals? The spirit moves on.



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